RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.0.5d] [Chyos]
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OK, so it is not Penny or one of her workers who collects the eggs and sells them for her.
And that the miller doesn't work in winter is also quite surprising, especially because it has not been mentioned anywhere in game. I assume I have to do the bread selling, too, correct?
Unfortunately I haven't seen an option where the MC can give Penny all the eggs and have her taking the bread and sell it to Lucius. And I also haven't seen an option where the MC can hand over Penny directly the money from the goods he sold. Instead the MC has to lockpick her chest and store gold there. But then Penny is said to be forced to use her savings.
It is not that funny if the MC constantly has to keep her farm afloat and do half of the work himself all the time. He already created the base for her farm to be profitable.
And he pays for the mercenaries protecting her leased land.
I'm even all in for the MC further improving Penny's farm. But at some point the farm has to be lucrative on its own. I'm even fine with hiring some worker who does the manual labor for the MC like the field working, wheat grinding, bread and egg selling.
The main goal is that at some point the MC should not be forced anymore to do all the work constantly by himself. Maybe he should continue to help with the farm management and make improvements to the farm and he should ensure that everything is running properly but at some point the manual and time consuming labor has to be shifted to someone else.
There are other stories and other people in Arenfield and its surrounding places which also need attention.
The game is set so she is about to reach the breaking point and "fate" send the MC "just in time" to start helping her.
We could think the problem was she wasn't selling what the farm produced directly to the Army, but to intermediaries, like Lucious and Thomas. It could be that they don't respect her enought to give her a good deal, because she is a girl and is negotiating alone, and she got taken advantage of.
Plus the MC is a lot better than her at farming and can work at any time.
But the farm shouldn't be that dependant on the MC's constant attention.
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That is my point here. Most of the time consuming work seems to fall to the MC as of now. But the MC also has to do other work.
That is all nice and fine. That is exactly where the MC comes in. He helps her out, does several tasks which are time and energy consuming (field work, wheat grinding) and as the story develops he even helps her to lease some additional land from Giron. The MC hires the mercenaries required for protection, builds the chicken coop, renovates the barn, manages the mill repair and digs an irrigation canal and builds a pasture for cow breeding and milk production.Even in reality, life as a farmer is hard work and often little profit. This is especially true in times of war. The developer is not that far away from reality with Penny.
Next remember:
Penny is all alone, apart from her good-for-nothing husband. Anyone who has followed the in-game story closely will also know that she recently lost her entire family. Her parents are dead, her sister's whereabouts are still unknown. From now on she became the only one who still serves the farm. It is rather a miracle that she did not get completely run over. With this background, she is definitely one of the most interesting LI. I'm excited to see what else awaits us with her
Normally this all should allow Penny to become profitable. But it doesn't. Th MC now just has more manual labor to do as it seems. Because now he has to check for eggs and sell them, too...
It shouldn't matter if Penny gets her vegetables from the MC at Monday already or at Friday as long as she gets them in time. And the wheat grinding should now be done by the miller, tbh. That's what this guy is hired to do. It was said that he would bring the wheat to Penny's house. So the wheat should actually never run out there. The MC could then grind some additional wheat if he has time. But the farm shouldn't depend on it anymore to be profitable already.
And originally the bread on the sideboard was meant for the MC for his own use. This also seems to have changed now.
Honestly, as of now it would make more sense if the MC would store his harvest in crates in front of Penny's house. Each Monday Penny should then take a fixed amount of vegetables out of them and sell them to Lucius. The miller should daily take a portion out of the wheat crate and grind it. There should be a defined amount for self sufficiency and one for making a decent amount of profit. Like it is the case with the potato minigame. The MC has then just to ensure to keep all the crates filled. There could also be a crate for the eggs. In that case Penny would directly get the money for selling them. Something similar could be done with the milk or even chicken meat.
Chicken and cows normally produce manure. Putting manure on the fields before planting the seeds should significantly increase the harvest.
What I'd like to see is the MC building some kind of automated watering system that waters the fields once per day. This would not only ease his work but also the one of Penny and her workers.
And I'd like the MC to be able to either buy the seeds he currently needs from Penny or from Lucius.
When it come to war times then it depends. If you can provide what the army needs you can also make a contract with the army. Provide it with food, clothing, horses, things like that. That can be quite lucrative, too. Just look at the USA. Some made a fortune during the civil war.
And the MC has everyone around himself he needs. Ophilia for example could help him with some merchant related topics even in the current situation she finds herself in right now. Her help could even lead to a pardon issued by the King for her family.
The MC could have his mercenaries protect convoys delivering goods from Arenfield to the army.
This would not only increase Penny's profits but also the profits from other people in Arenfield.
And the MC has everyone around himself he needs. Ophilia for example could help him with some merchant related topics even in the current situation she finds herself in right now. Her help could even lead to a pardon issued by the King for her family.
The MC could have his mercenaries protect convoys delivering goods from Arenfield to the army.
This would not only increase Penny's profits but also the profits from other people in Arenfield.
If the MC gets on the good side of the army and with that on the good side of the King (at least for the time being) he could even get some things changed through decrees of the King.
For example, if the MC finds a way to make the harvests of Penny's farm more productive than the harvests of the Coldstones he could have the King order them to return Penny's original land back to her. That way the MC could slowly undermine the stance of the Coldstones in front of the King.
The MC could do something similar with Giron.
Not all wars are fought with swords necessarily. Making the right friends in the right places can also be very important.
For example, if the MC finds a way to make the harvests of Penny's farm more productive than the harvests of the Coldstones he could have the King order them to return Penny's original land back to her. That way the MC could slowly undermine the stance of the Coldstones in front of the King.
The MC could do something similar with Giron.
Not all wars are fought with swords necessarily. Making the right friends in the right places can also be very important.
This game urgently needs a gallery, there are too many routes and paths, are you supposed to have a save for every single path in the game and note down which save is which? It's retarded and only someone who lives in a cave without job would have the time for that. You should be able to somehow see other routes after you complete the game.
Its my save. Played everything on winterhold update. Melissa, Helena and rescue of Yasmine, Mira Monastery and Travel to Kirlic is still open as a quest. Didnt do them, waiting for new update.
PhoenixRage23
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Haven't played the game for quite a few updates and was wondering if the princess storyline is finally being worked on. Have the MC, Kate and her mom finally left for Kirlic or wherever they were going? Maybe when the map finally gets expanded to other locations besides the ones around Arenfeld, I might take a look at the game again. Along with expanded storylines that go with the newer locations.
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Sinxflavio2
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Guys i'm kinda confused, which route/path would you guys recommend to go on Carmen? Guilt or love? like which one you think that will be the optimal with more content and such, and which one did you take?
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I'll allow myself to add my two groschens into this discussion.
Penny had to take over familiy estate while being completely unprepared for it. She's a fair certainly knowing a lot about many aspects of farming, but managment and bargain are certainly not her well developed skills due to her rather timid personality.
After all, she sold almost all of good land to coldstone instead of leasing it, she's always selling to lucius (and bread to tavern), promising more next harvest instead of trying to bargain for better price or simply looking for other buyers. She's the one explaining basics of farming to main character and taking care of thiers fields (Notice your field simply doesn't have weeds) and animals (once donkey, horse, chickens and cows are there) on daily basis. Something MC ain't doing, because he's out there, working, fighting, hunting, doing something... or someone.
But, sadly, she can't do everything alone, because she's only a fair maiden and her time is simply limited and she simply can't do everything at once. She's working hard on those little and poor fields she left herself from which she has to not only earn enough coin to pay high war taxes, but also harvest enough to feed herself. Not to mention having to thresh wheat, then grind it into flour and then making bread. So she's there simply surviving all alone with little will to live, doing everything alone while her house and barn are simply decaying day by day.
MC offering her a helping hand around the farm isn't but a long needed help she needs, but also a purpose for her. Because instead of simply surviving from day to day hoping for the best she can actually help someone in need.
That aside... it's a game. It's simply tailored to make us feel like a hero they needed, to tickle our feelings, to improve our mood.
Edit 1. - Good idea to write into someone's post... moving [/quote] to where it should be.
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would be nice to see more content with Tia and the Orcs on NTR path...This kinda monster NTR is very rare(it's rape but the way it is written...the girl comes to acknowledge that the orcs are superior stock by herself which is pretty hot corruption(inevitability is big part of NTR as a whole genre and here this point is very strongly accentuated by the fact that Tia is presented as someone that is probably naturally predisposed to liking Orcs because of the story behind her birth and orc genes, ergo no matter what MC does she will always prefer the orc deep down, it is unavoidable). like a hostage falling for the kidnapper, really dark and very depraved.), the only game that comes to mind is Noxian Nights minotaur ending. Her and her mother seem to be into that too.
@Chyos Dunno if you wrote entire subroute with this in mind but if you haven't...this is the reason why it's hot. I have a feeling you nailed it completely by accident though, no offence haha. Just that most people don't really understand all these NTR flavours, it's already a lot if they know the distinction between netori, netorase, netorare etc, but the ideas behind these fetishes are too much to understand for most.
Penny's route was also dony pretty well, you could say it was just classic netori, nothing over the top, kinda like vanilla ice cream, it's pretty basic but everybody likes it. If there was one thing lacking that would probably be the scenes themselves, the corruption is largely unfinished.
Frisha's NTR route could be a classic father figure NTR, where the wife/girlfriend of the son gets stolen by the father, how good it actually becomes would depend how well you emphasize the difference between the son and the father, comparing the cuck with the bull is also big point of NTR, which as a genre is often very devoid of logic, because, there is little reason for the young healthy woman to prefer an old man over young dude, so there must be some well written reasons for her to sway that way. Usually it's the difference in sexual prowess in one way another. Materialistic reasons aren't that great, it makes everything more seem like a business transaction, no emotions or any depravation involved so that ain't very erotic, just plain and simple.
Didn't think much about other routes...as for love routes they are dumb and simple as they always are, you help out the damsel in distress most of the time, she falls in love and happily ever after with some escalating dirty talk. Now that I think Imarwyn is pretty much the same as Tia but another way around, she likes superior human stock deep down as opposed to an elf, it could be written in such a way too. For her corruption NTR path I guess it would be natural if at some point that elf lord showed up. But unlike Tia where Tia prefers orcs, here Imarwyn would prefer the protagonist of course.
The girls at the monastery are pretty basic, the one with the southern accent is just kinda cute and stands out writing-wise. Her corruption and NTR probably would be best if it was some basic cliche...maybe childhood friend from southern parts coming over and it can be done like Penny's? The young blonde imo, the best way to proceed with her route would be giving her impregnation fetish, since she was so averse to getting married and pregnant....her having that kinda fetish seems like a natural corruption. In case you had no good ideas for her...
The old gilf woman though...there were so many different subroutes but she seemed like a natural for some sort of BDSM, domination route because of her oppressive behaviour towards her daughter she was presented as natural sadist, so that kinda thing seems like a natural way to write her.
Other girls and routes are pretty basic for the most part too. Who else worthy of note was there...Mia's NTR route is in general rather weak, Aidalyn should have been written as way more appealing for her than our protagonist. Because of her not being written as someone that seriously attracted to Aidalyn the NTR with him is extremely bad and the Netori also feels weak because it just don't feel like there is that big emotional connection between Mira and Aidalyn so what sort of NTR? They also just become friends with benefits no big deal about anything. In my view something should have happened during the ritual and Aidalyn should have been made more menacing for the NTR or Netori to work here. Her pure love route on the other hand is plain and simple, not much to point out there.
Gwen and Sabrina's NTR route would probably need to involve some heavy futa action, I never understood that very well but this also seems like a natural development.
The stuff with Dasan, probably best to play with the hierarchy aspect, since he is the tribal chief and all. Maybe a Corruption/NTR centered around some shamanistic rituals and strange customs makes most sense. You can really go crazy with the customs, can come up with anything, like dunno a custom where chieftain selects a woman and breeds her for a whole week until she gets knocked up, pretty obvious(for scenes could just peek inside the tent every day or two, could do that any girl and it would be good netorare wrap up. For netori protagonist could have some sort of breeding competition with the chieftain and win by large margin breeding all the girls...ideas are plenty.
I only wanted to mention Tia in the post but ended up writing such a long wall, sorry
Right...there would also need to be a lot said about the animation and sound department but I will give it a rest...just that audio tracks and climax are very important in porn. Good audio can affect how the scene is received big time and climax speak for itself. In many scenes climaxes are spiritless and no special audio during important scenes(only anal scene with Mira at home comes to mind, not gonna say the audio is on point there but as an example, that important turning points in the route would be better off with some nice audio to accentuate the vibe better)
@Chyos Dunno if you wrote entire subroute with this in mind but if you haven't...this is the reason why it's hot. I have a feeling you nailed it completely by accident though, no offence haha. Just that most people don't really understand all these NTR flavours, it's already a lot if they know the distinction between netori, netorase, netorare etc, but the ideas behind these fetishes are too much to understand for most.
Penny's route was also dony pretty well, you could say it was just classic netori, nothing over the top, kinda like vanilla ice cream, it's pretty basic but everybody likes it. If there was one thing lacking that would probably be the scenes themselves, the corruption is largely unfinished.
Frisha's NTR route could be a classic father figure NTR, where the wife/girlfriend of the son gets stolen by the father, how good it actually becomes would depend how well you emphasize the difference between the son and the father, comparing the cuck with the bull is also big point of NTR, which as a genre is often very devoid of logic, because, there is little reason for the young healthy woman to prefer an old man over young dude, so there must be some well written reasons for her to sway that way. Usually it's the difference in sexual prowess in one way another. Materialistic reasons aren't that great, it makes everything more seem like a business transaction, no emotions or any depravation involved so that ain't very erotic, just plain and simple.
Didn't think much about other routes...as for love routes they are dumb and simple as they always are, you help out the damsel in distress most of the time, she falls in love and happily ever after with some escalating dirty talk. Now that I think Imarwyn is pretty much the same as Tia but another way around, she likes superior human stock deep down as opposed to an elf, it could be written in such a way too. For her corruption NTR path I guess it would be natural if at some point that elf lord showed up. But unlike Tia where Tia prefers orcs, here Imarwyn would prefer the protagonist of course.
The girls at the monastery are pretty basic, the one with the southern accent is just kinda cute and stands out writing-wise. Her corruption and NTR probably would be best if it was some basic cliche...maybe childhood friend from southern parts coming over and it can be done like Penny's? The young blonde imo, the best way to proceed with her route would be giving her impregnation fetish, since she was so averse to getting married and pregnant....her having that kinda fetish seems like a natural corruption. In case you had no good ideas for her...
The old gilf woman though...there were so many different subroutes but she seemed like a natural for some sort of BDSM, domination route because of her oppressive behaviour towards her daughter she was presented as natural sadist, so that kinda thing seems like a natural way to write her.
Other girls and routes are pretty basic for the most part too. Who else worthy of note was there...Mia's NTR route is in general rather weak, Aidalyn should have been written as way more appealing for her than our protagonist. Because of her not being written as someone that seriously attracted to Aidalyn the NTR with him is extremely bad and the Netori also feels weak because it just don't feel like there is that big emotional connection between Mira and Aidalyn so what sort of NTR? They also just become friends with benefits no big deal about anything. In my view something should have happened during the ritual and Aidalyn should have been made more menacing for the NTR or Netori to work here. Her pure love route on the other hand is plain and simple, not much to point out there.
Gwen and Sabrina's NTR route would probably need to involve some heavy futa action, I never understood that very well but this also seems like a natural development.
The stuff with Dasan, probably best to play with the hierarchy aspect, since he is the tribal chief and all. Maybe a Corruption/NTR centered around some shamanistic rituals and strange customs makes most sense. You can really go crazy with the customs, can come up with anything, like dunno a custom where chieftain selects a woman and breeds her for a whole week until she gets knocked up, pretty obvious(for scenes could just peek inside the tent every day or two, could do that any girl and it would be good netorare wrap up. For netori protagonist could have some sort of breeding competition with the chieftain and win by large margin breeding all the girls...ideas are plenty.
I only wanted to mention Tia in the post but ended up writing such a long wall, sorry
Right...there would also need to be a lot said about the animation and sound department but I will give it a rest...just that audio tracks and climax are very important in porn. Good audio can affect how the scene is received big time and climax speak for itself. In many scenes climaxes are spiritless and no special audio during important scenes(only anal scene with Mira at home comes to mind, not gonna say the audio is on point there but as an example, that important turning points in the route would be better off with some nice audio to accentuate the vibe better)
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would be nice to see more content with Tia and the Orcs on NTR path...This kinda monster NTR is very rare(it's rape but the way it is written...the girl comes to acknowledge that the orcs are superior stock by herself which is pretty hot corruption(inevitability is big part of NTR as a whole genre and here this point is very strongly accentuated by the fact that Tia is presented as someone that is probably naturally predisposed to liking Orcs because of the story behind her birth and orc genes, ergo no matter what MC does she will always prefer the orc deep down, it is unavoidable). like a hostage falling for the kidnapper, really dark and very depraved.), the only game that comes to mind is Noxian Nights minotaur ending. Her and her mother seem to be into that too.
@Chyos Dunno if you wrote entire subroute with this in mind but if you haven't...this is the reason why it's hot. I have a feeling you nailed it completely by accident though, no offence haha. Just that most people don't really understand all these NTR flavours, it's already a lot if they know the distinction between netori, netorase, netorare etc, but the ideas behind these fetishes are too much to understand for most.
Penny's route was also dony pretty well, you could say it was just classic netori, nothing over the top, kinda like vanilla ice cream, it's pretty basic but everybody likes it. If there was one thing lacking that would probably be the scenes themselves, the corruption is largely unfinished.
Frisha's NTR route could be a classic father figure NTR, where the wife/girlfriend of the son gets stolen by the father, how good it actually becomes would depend how well you emphasize the difference between the son and the father, comparing the cuck with the bull is also big point of NTR, which as a genre is often very devoid of logic, because, there is little reason for the young healthy woman to prefer an old man over young dude, so there must be some well written reasons for her to sway that way. Usually it's the difference in sexual prowess in one way another. Materialistic reasons aren't that great, it makes everything more seem like a business transaction, no emotions or any depravation involved so that ain't very erotic, just plain and simple.
Didn't think much about other routes...as for love routes they are dumb and simple as they always are, you help out the damsel in distress most of the time, she falls in love and happily ever after with some escalating dirty talk. Now that I think Imarwyn is pretty much the same as Tia but another way around, she likes superior human stock deep down as opposed to an elf, it could be written in such a way too. For her corruption NTR path I guess it would be natural if at some point that elf lord showed up. But unlike Tia where Tia prefers orcs, here Imarwyn would prefer the protagonist of course.
The girls at the monastery are pretty basic, the one with the southern accent is just kinda cute and stands out writing-wise. Her corruption and NTR probably would be best if it was some basic cliche...maybe childhood friend from southern parts coming over and it can be done like Penny's? The young blonde imo, the best way to proceed with her route would be giving her impregnation fetish, since she was so averse to getting married and pregnant....her having that kinda fetish seems like a natural corruption. In case you had no good ideas for her...
The old gilf woman though...there were so many different subroutes but she seemed like a natural for some sort of BDSM, domination route because of her oppressive behaviour towards her daughter she was presented as natural sadist, so that kinda thing seems like a natural way to write her.
Other girls and routes are pretty basic for the most part too. Who else worthy of note was there...Mia's NTR route is in general rather weak, Aidalyn should have been written as way more appealing for her than our protagonist. Because of her not being written as someone that seriously attracted to Aidalyn the NTR with him is extremely bad and the Netori also feels weak because it just don't feel like there is that big emotional connection between Mira and Aidalyn so what sort of NTR? They also just become friends with benefits no big deal about anything. In my view something should have happened during the ritual and Aidalyn should have been made more menacing for the NTR or Netori to work here. Her pure love route on the other hand is plain and simple, not much to point out there.
Gwen and Sabrina's NTR route would probably need to involve some heavy futa action, I never understood that very well but this also seems like a natural development.
The stuff with Dasan, probably best to play with the hierarchy aspect, since he is the tribal chief and all. Maybe a Corruption/NTR centered around some shamanistic rituals and strange customs makes most sense. You can really go crazy with the customs, can come up with anything, like dunno a custom where chieftain selects a woman and breeds her for a whole week until she gets knocked up, pretty obvious(for scenes could just peek inside the tent every day or two, could do that any girl and it would be good netorare wrap up. For netori protagonist could have some sort of breeding competition with the chieftain and win by large margin breeding all the girls...ideas are plenty.
I only wanted to mention Tia in the post but ended up writing such a long wall, sorry
Right...there would also need to be a lot said about the animation and sound department but I will give it a rest...just that audio tracks and climax are very important in porn. Good audio can affect how the scene is received big time and climax speak for itself. In many scenes climaxes are spiritless and no special audio during important scenes(only anal scene with Mira at home comes to mind, not gonna say the audio is on point there but as an example, that important turning points in the route would be better off with some nice audio to accentuate the vibe better)
the game is good but i've never been a fan of time passing and you having to run around before a certain time limit. i'd rather time advance at each event.
PrototypeMan
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"Time passing"? Uhhhh ... i mean, sure, MC can be a lazy person, but the world gives so much activity, that you - player, are mostly thinking about how NOT TO SKIP some events for whole days, if not for whole week.
Killing goblins, anvil work, killing bandits, field work, wood collecting, clay collecting, ork killing, clearing cult hideout, wheat -> bread, hunting and collecting fur for selling: that`s the short list of tasks, that i am doing after each week "from the start", completing quests in "free time". For money and exp, because the way to 50 lvl is a looooong road, around 1 game year.
Killing goblins, anvil work, killing bandits, field work, wood collecting, clay collecting, ork killing, clearing cult hideout, wheat -> bread, hunting and collecting fur for selling: that`s the short list of tasks, that i am doing after each week "from the start", completing quests in "free time". For money and exp, because the way to 50 lvl is a looooong road, around 1 game year.
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No. This is not a curfew game like Stardew/Sun Haven/Pacha. There's no time limit. You don't have to go back and sleep and can still do things even without sleeping or eating for... awhile, and there are places to sleep even if you are past everyone else's bed time.
I agree to all of that. And that is also why I want my MC to help her with improving the farm, maybe also with the bargaining. But I also don't want my MC not to be bogged down too much by helping her either. More manual labor at the beginning of the game is ok but later the MC's wits should help him to improve the farm in a way that allows Penny to hire the necessary workers and manage it profitably.
If the MC finds books on farming and animal breeding either in the Monastery or in the library in Kirlic and introduces things like sheep, goat, pig, rabbit, maybe even deer and/or horse breeding and implements some farming improvements like getting some fertile soil to the land Penny leased and some advanced manure to further fertilize the soil and improve the harvest that would be nice. At some point the hired fam workers should do the manual labor and the MC should focus more on the farm management.
Currently Penny pays double for the farm workers and the MC pays for the mercenaries protecting them. That doesn't make much sense. Maybe the MC could make some security related improvements like building additional fences and some natural barriers and maybe get some dogs to help additionally with keeping the thieves and brigands away.
Maybe the MC could also find an alternative use for the bandit hideout at the Southern Road. If it is in use by someone else there won't be that many bandits and thieves out there anymore, right?
What would make sense is to implement some quests where the army sends someone to acquire certain goods for the army. John already produces weapons and armor for the front.
The Coldstones seem to have some contracts with the army. That is where the MC should come in. Find a way to take over those contracts and boot out the Coldstones. Help Lilly to get her memories back and then bring her home to Penny. And then get rid of the Coldstones somehow, well at least him. As for Elisabeth it depends on the story.
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