RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.5.9.7 Test] [Chyos]

[storm1051787]

First i want to make clear that i don't get people complaining about what is or isn't canon, this ain't dragon ball.

Second, the base which game that you can download from here doesn't contain incest, to get incest into the game you need to download a file a put it in the game folder, so there is no one turning incest off, it comes off as default and there is no way of having it on without downloading extra files.

You literally don't have to download anything to turn incest on. It's in a letter. It comes up at the exact same time you do Mira's route with a promp letting you turn incest off and on if you want. You also turn incest off by changing the letter again.


The only thing you have to download is ntr incest scenes that don't involve the MC.

 

[Ottoeight]

They're never going to talk about his father. THey're either going to say "your dad" or "Markus" depending on whether or not you have incest turned on or not just like how Mira addresses you as her brother if you have incest turned on.



Because it's not. Doesn't matter either way. Chyos said that they might have added something with the Mc's bio mom way way back when the game was brand new. The game was meant to be incest then got changed into a different direction because of Patreon. Either way Mira is the hold over and remnant from that time period and people need to stop pretending like the decision to make her your sister or not is invalid just because you choose not to do it.



Mira is always going to be the sister for people who want her as her sister and we will never learn about the MC's dad. That's why pretty much all the focus on that storyline has been about finding out about the Mc's bio mom. It's pretty easy to write the story without invalidating incest or no incest playthroughs. And I don't understand the point insisting that turning incest off is canon.

But there is NO "stepcest" at all (whatever this looney word means).

Marcus didn't marry Emily, therefore either you have "nothing" since Marcus is MC's guardian (when you read the letter once) or you have incest since Marcus is MC's biological father and Mira is MC's half-sister (when you read the letter twice).

 

[Evangelion-01]

You literally don't have to download anything to turn incest on. It's in a letter. It comes up at the exact same time you do Mira's route with a promp letting you turn incest off and on if you want. You also turn incest off by changing the letter again.


The only thing you have to download is ntr incest scenes that don't involve the MC.

And we keep telling you that the letter only enables STEPcest... Mira and you CAN (if THE PLAYER deliberately decide for it) have the same dad, but never the same mother.

But there is NO "stepcest" at all (whatever this looney word means).

It's what people call relationships between people only shareing partly the same relatives.
Be it by being remarried or one parent haveing more kids with someone else than a kids parent, etc.
An Internet term most commonly said
A combi of Step-mother/-sister/-brother/-father/-daugther/-son and incest... but I gues that's pretty obvious to begin with

 

[Snugglepuff]

And we keep telling you that the letter only enables STEPcest... Mira and you CAN (if THE PLAYER deliberately decide for it) have the same dad, but never the same mother.

By definition that is not "stepcest".
Step-siblings have no blood relations to eachother, whilst half-siblings do, therefore incest, and Marcus and Emily weren't married.

Both Mira and the MC are, literally, bastard children whose parents were not married, and Mira and has two half-siblings - Frisha and the MC.

It's what people call relationships between people only shareing partly the same relatives.
Be it by being remarried or one parent haveing more kids with someone else than a kids parent, etc.
An Internet term most commonly said
A combi of Step-mother/-sister/-brother/-father/-daugther/-son and incest... but I gues that's pretty obvious to begin with

People say a lot of retarded and nonsensically ignorant things.

It's really simple.
Woman with child marries man with child. Their children are now step-siblings and they are step-parent to one child each, whilst still parent to their own biological children.
They then go on to have more children together. Those children are now the half-siblings of the original children and have no step-parents or step-siblings at all.

 

[rosethorn87]

Okay I think the dumb is strong with me lads.... so I'm helping penny out etc build the chicken coop the bridge, kill the bandits at the old mill, but when clicking around to inspect it im getting nothing.... anyone got a screenshot of were to click etc I honestly have no idea what im doing wrong here

 

[haodizhenhao]

网卡

 

[JohnEffinDoe]

Need to implement pregnancy with more characters especially for all the characters in rumah

 

[Storm4n]

Has anyone reported this yet?



I think it's because I got the armor then I found that small tree stump outside Arenfield (which updates your weapons & armor) and then I tried to sell it to Lucius and I always get a crash, mostly when it comes to selling chainmail-made stuff

 

[Evangelion-01]

By definition that is not "stepcest".
Step-siblings have no blood relations to eachother, whilst half-siblings do, therefore incest, and Marcus and Emily weren't married.

Which definition do you apply... because if you check with F95 definition it's not incest either.
You now the tag is probably harder fought for than "VN", "cheating" and "netorare"

 

[Ctrl Alt Delete]

I think what I liked most about this game is reading all the 2 or 3 line, 5 star fake reviews... very entertaining

 

[Tommy7358]

Does anyone know a way to play through Hiba and Ayita's new love routes without starting a new game or have at least a full love route non NTR save up to the latest version? I've done their corruption routes because I thought that there wouldn't be a love routes for them anytime soon during 0.5.8.0b unlike Natasha and lo and behold the next couple of updates add them to the game...

I've already spent over 90+ hours and grinded like a madman during my playthrough for the more powerful weapons and armour. If the cheatbook included ALL the items I may have been tempted to just start again but the problem is that the cheatbook doesn't in fact have all the items and equipment, not even close.

 

[storm1051787]

And we keep telling you that the letter only enables STEPcest... Mira and you CAN (if THE PLAYER deliberately decide for it) have the same dad, but never the same mother.

It's what people call relationships between people only shareing partly the same relatives.
Be it by being remarried or one parent haveing more kids with someone else than a kids parent, etc.
An Internet term most commonly said
A combi of Step-mother/-sister/-brother/-father/-daugther/-son and incest... but I gues that's pretty obvious to begin with

You don't seem to know the difference between Step siblings and Half Siblings. Step siblings have no blood relation whatsoever. They're what happens when you're Mom/Dad marries someone else who already had kids from a previous relationship. If Markus and Emily got married Frisha would have been the Mc's step sister. They even mention this at the start of the game. Half sibling means you are blood related but only share one parent instead of both. Frisha and Mira are half siblings because they have the same mother but different fathers, and if you enable incest Mira and the Mc are half siblings because they share the same father. I know some languages have the same word for step sibling and half sibling, but English distinguishes between the two.

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[Snugglepuff]

Which definition do you apply

Not that bunch of gibberish you offered up as a definition that "people" use.

The whole reason "Step-bro what are you doing!?" porn exists is to get around incest laws whilst also taking advantage of the increased mainstream interest in incest as a kink.

... because if you check with F95 definition it's not incest either.

Because F95's tag definitions are all correct and accurate...

You now the tag is probably harder fought for than "VN", "cheating" and "netorare"

Objection!
The netorare tag is clearly the most fought over when it comes to definition - Whether or not it should be applied when it's not already there, whether or not potential love interests having sex with characters that aren't the MC is/is always netorare, whether or not swinging is netorare etc etc, and all to the point of moderators wiping out whole pages and more in threads.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Because F95's tag definitions are all correct and accurate...

Doesn't matter what they are... those definitions are all we get in order to decide wether a tag gets applied or not.
Look I am not gonna be the Paladin of any theme here (unless it's contra NTR), but this whole mess came up because people keep asking why the IC tag is no longer around, and for that this explanation is all we have.

Objection!
The netorare tag is clearly the most fought over when it comes to definition - Whether or not it should be applied when it's not already there, whether or not potential love interests having sex with characters that aren't the MC is/is always netorare, whether or not swinging is netorare etc etc, and all to the point of moderators wiping out whole pages and more in threads.

True, and not what I meant... just that each of those Tags can start a flame war on wether they should be applied or not

 

[homarkc]

My mercenary management system says currently the max number of recruits is 15. I only recruited 14, but can no longer add more. Is it because of Frank (The surviving member of Lyvia's crew)?

 

[Bahamut Zero]

For Bahamut Zero only , my (very) old supplementary notes:

Hidden bonus enemies and events:

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Hi, first of all Thank you for all the event list. I saved everything on the game folder notepad. So that I always have everything present. I was wondering, can I activate the events, simply by changing the date on the PC?
Because having restarted the game from scratch a few days ago, I don't know if I'll be able to finish the October event.
And I was wondering, if I could change the date on the PC to avoid the wait. Otherwise I just have to wait for the months to pass in the game
From what I understand, the various events are activated either with the months in the game, or with the real months.

Thank you

 

[ajaccied]

Is it because of Frank (The surviving member of Lyvia's crew)?

Yes.

 

[Arlith]

How do you start Tia's quest?

The walkthrough says: "Talk to her (lust < 80) to chop wood, repeat (if Affection < 2 she will need another round of chopping).
After your strength increase from chopping trees you now know how to do this. There is an axe near the old ruins on a stump. With it you are now able to cut trees in the forest. "

However, at any time of day and any level of lust she just says "Sorry I'm busy right now...". You cannot talk to her while she's in her hut either. Getting the axe changes nothing. Attempting to chop wood before starting her quest just return: "Maybe I should talk to someone who knows about this first". Cheating to get more strength changes nothing.

I found multiple posts in this thread asking similarly, but no answers.

 

[Ottoeight]

Hi, first of all Thank you for all the event list. I saved everything on the game folder notepad. So that I always have everything present. I was wondering, can I activate the events, simply by changing the date on the PC?
Because having restarted the game from scratch a few days ago, I don't know if I'll be able to finish the October event.
And I was wondering, if I could change the date on the PC to avoid the wait. Otherwise I just have to wait for the months to pass in the game
From what I understand, the various events are activated either with the months in the game, or with the real months.

Thank you

Dunno. We might ask Chyos.

How do you start Tia's quest?

The walkthrough says: "Talk to her (lust < 80) to chop wood, repeat (if Affection < 2 she will need another round of chopping).
After your strength increase from chopping trees you now know how to do this. There is an axe near the old ruins on a stump. With it you are now able to cut trees in the forest. "

However, at any time of day and any level of lust she just says "Sorry I'm busy right now...". You cannot talk to her while she's in her hut either. Getting the axe changes nothing. Attempting to chop wood before starting her quest just return: "Maybe I should talk to someone who knows about this first". Cheating to get more strength changes nothing.

I found multiple posts in this thread asking similarly, but no answers.

The answer is in Mira's quest. You need to talk to Emily and she will give the task to get wood and food for dinner: now you can ask Tia for wood.

 

[Snugglepuff]

but this whole mess came up because people keep asking why the IC tag is no longer around, and for that this explanation is all we have.

See, there's multiple "messes" and you don't even realise it.
This one has nothing to do with people asking a question, and everything to do with something you said.

What you call "step cest" in this game,


aside from being a nonsense joke that's a nod to "not incest" porn, is not the case in this game at all, because you don't actually understand what step family is, despite it being explained to you.

Marcus and Emily weren't married, so Mira and the MC are never step-siblings regardless of whether or not the MC is Marcus' son.
Even in the case of step family where the parents aren't married, Marcus and the MC did not live with Emily and her children in the same household.
When the player chooses to have Mira and the MC both being Marcus' children, they are half-siblings, which means they are biologically related, therefore incest.

Now, F95 adopting a similar stance to the laws of some countries does not make their definition correct.
In fact it only serves to regard the tag system as a guideline and not "letter of the law".