RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.0.7a] [Chyos]

[RevGen10]

“The wild Ottoeight comes out of lethargy every once in a while grumping, then it returns into hibernation till the next big event“

And there is a decent chance that she will get beaten by Kirlic or heck even Arianna and Julia.
Never underestimate an eternal loser.

Last time I was there it was like a desert, they don’t talk much and they don’t care about the plot or story, at least the more active users.

Thomas is connected to Kate/Emily (At least the first part), Ophelia’s questline and Arianna’s, while Giron is basically fucking everywhere.
I would say after Liandra’s Kirlic update we can see Giron’s demise.
Either that or there will be a solely focused Giron update, where all the strings of the quests finally reach the knot, Giron.
Although there is still Melissa‘s update that could reveal more about him

melissa's quest is about buried treasure? I figured it related back to that scummy professor that tried to sexually assault sabrina and also may have had turned rick's mom (whose name escapes me but start with V I think) into a closet masochist. then again, the treasure could also be related to demon's, gromthel, the cult, orcs, etc, etc. giron is always looking for gold anyways, maybe Melissa needs guards/trackers and giron could leverage that in exchange for sex if the MC refuses to help.

idk, chyos probably already has a plan.

 

[zARRR]

melissa's quest is about buried treasure? I figured it related back to that scummy professor that tried to sexually assault sabrina and also may have had turned rick's mom (whose name escapes me but start with V I think) into a closet masochist. then again, the treasure could also be related to demon's, gromthel, the cult, orcs, etc, etc. giron is always looking for gold anyways, maybe Melissa needs guards/trackers and giron could leverage that in exchange for sex if the MC refuses to help.

idk, chyos probably already has a plan.

It's Valien and yeah, you can bet your sweet digital count that he is going to be there, or at least a member of the university.
Although I thought more about John's connection with the evil mayor, since he was friend of Quentin, his father and is the first one to propose that he killed hom.
Anyways all of these are good speculations but they will be revelead... Eventually

Yeah he has a plan

 

[RevGen10]

It's Valien and yeah, you can bet your sweet digital count that he is going to be there, or at least a member of the university.
Although I thought more about John's connection with the evil mayor, since he was friend of Quentin, his father and is the first one to propose that he killed hom.
Anyways all of these are good speculations but they will be revelead... Eventually

Yeah he has a plan

well, his connection is that he hates the mayor/baron and thinks he's a little turd compared to his father. giron doesn't seem to think much of John but otherwise I don't think they have much overlap (definitely not "I'm going to defile your daughter" vibes). it'll be nice to plow forward with a new character tho. Tia and emily are now "complete" and more will soon join their ranks.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Who tf is melissa?

 

[Ottoeight]

“The wild Ottoeight comes out of lethargy every once in a while grumping, then it returns into hibernation till the next big event“

Just checked my saves. Last time I played this game was 12th February. My favourite F95 game. I'm so sad

Anyway, I've always said that MY MC will never marry or have children - my MC's a FREE man, guys, BUT... I think I'm going to make an exception for our little mischievious Arianna, and everybody should know why: 'cause Verena would be the BEST mother-in-law in the world, of course .

If only my favourite mom & daughter combo win that darn poll...

Enough said.


(and hell no, that darn Rumah wanita stuff doesn't count!)

 

[Ottoeight]

Who tf is melissa?

John's daughter

 

[zARRR]

Who tf is melissa?

Melissa is John’s daughter, she appears when John’s quest is almost over.
There is no content about her for now, just speculation about her possible story and content.
Through John’s dialogue it is reveal a big chunk of what could happen, and if you add another bit of info from Verena and Sabrina’s quest everything becomes much clearer on where it’s heading.

Just checked my saves. Last time I played this game was 12th February. My favourite F95 game. I'm so sad

Anyway, I've always said that MY MC will never marry or have children - my MC's a FREE man, guys, BUT... I think I'm going to make an exception for our little mischievious Arianna, and everybody should know why: 'cause Verena would be the BEST mother-in-law in the world, of course .

If only my favourite mom & daughter combo win that darn poll...

Enough said.


(and hell no, that darn Rumah wanita stuff doesn't count!)

Be happy and rejoice, next one is Mira with quite the thrilling update

 

[Evangelion-01]

Why in the damn world Arianna has such few piled up votes: her last quest update was when dinosaurs ruled this fucking planet.

Screw them patrons.

You know Kate and Claire are waiting for their trip even longer... but since that means their NTR content (with Thomas) will become unavailable it apparently is avoided like the plague

 

[TheGrandMasterCory]

You know Kate and Claire are waiting for their trip even longer... but since that means their NTR content (with Thomas) will become unavailable it apparently is avoided like the plague

I never realized til your current post that the vast majority of Chyos' Patrons are such die-hard NTR fans.

It actually explains so much now.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Penny fans be like:
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And yeah, looks like Penny gets dogged in that poll.

Penny badly needs more late game relevance added - like maybe she should have relatives in kirlic or something...


Also, how is Arianna getting the short end in these polls so hard? She's cute, her family relations give her high relevance to a number of plot threads - the cultists, the mayor, rumah, corven, etc

I never realized til your current post that the vast majority of Chyos' Patrons are such die-hard NTR fans.

It actually explains so much now.

I'd call Kate more of a focus on swinging/sharing content than ntr - shes one of the only ones with the dialogue fork for mc to express his enjoyment. NTR is like Lyv/Tia losing fights to brigands/ogres, or Lucius and Penny, and whatshisface at rumah village.

 

[Evangelion-01]

I never realized til your current post that the vast majority of Chyos' Patrons are such die-hard NTR fans.

It actually explains so much now.

To be fair it was stated before the ratio is actually around 50/50... but it seems the NTR faction is far more organized and is voteing concentrated, while the rest of the supporters choose what ever they actually consider interesting... it's rare that the other factions vote in unison and pretty much impossible that all factions vote concentrated... except for exceptional things like the last rework that invalidised saves.
But since there is no real statistic on the matter the ratio could have gone either way.

 

[zARRR]

You know Kate and Claire are waiting for their trip even longer... but since that means their NTR content (with Thomas) will become unavailable it apparently is avoided like the plague

Naah, I don’t agree this time.
Kate and Claire can have more NTR shenanigans even on the trip, the reason on why it’s avoided it’s because is simply kinda boring or eventless.
There are more interesting polls such as Kirlic, Mira, Tia, Melissa, Tia, Tia… wait we were talking about what?

And yeah, looks like Penny gets dogged in that poll.

Penny badly needs more late game relevance added - like maybe she should have relatives in kirlic or something...


Also, how is Arianna getting the short end in these polls so hard? She's cute, her family relations give her high relevance to a number of plot threads - the cultists, the mayor, rumah, corven, etc

I'd call Kate more of a focus on swinging/sharing content than ntr - shes one of the only ones with the dialogue fork for mc to express his enjoyment. NTR is like Lyv/Tia losing fights to brigands/ogres, or Lucius and Penny, and whatshisface at rumah village.

Sadly all of Penny’s relatives are dead, maybe her sister is alive, Fiona, but who knows.

To be fair Arianna got added late to the poll, so that explains her slow walk to the heavens gate, although true.
Some patrons that I met didn’t care about the story, (and others were pretty not… enjoyable to talk with).

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Naah, I don’t agree this time.
Kate and Claire can have more NTR shenanigans even on the trip, the reason on why it’s avoided it’s because is simply kinda boring or eventless.
There are more interesting polls such as Kirlic, Mira, Tia, Melissa, Tia, Tia… wait we were talking about what?

Sadly all of Penny’s relatives are dead, maybe her sister is alive, Fiona, but who knows.

To be fair Arianna got added late to the poll, so that explains her slow walk to the heavens gate, although true.
Some patrons that I met didn’t care about the story, (and others were pretty not… enjoyable to talk with).

But you get what I'm saying about interconnectedness right? Arianna has massive potential for branching stories.

 

[zARRR]

But you get what I'm saying about interconnectedness right? Arianna has massive potential for branching stories.

Yes, that I do get and agree.
Thomas is related to it, Roderick and his family, heck even your father was connected to the cult!
Not to mention that even Giron bids to their power somewhat.
On Rumah I am not so sure, is it about the masked man? Because that one is Artemis the spy of Eric

 

[Evangelion-01]

Naah, I don’t agree this time.
Kate and Claire can have more NTR shenanigans even on the trip, the reason on why it’s avoided it’s because is simply kinda boring or eventless.
There are more interesting polls such as Kirlic, Mira, Tia, Melissa, Tia, Tia… wait we were talking about what?

Sadly all of Penny’s relatives are dead, maybe her sister is alive, Fiona, but who knows.

To be fair Arianna got added late to the poll, so that explains her slow walk to the heavens gate, although true.
Some patrons that I met didn’t care about the story, (and others were pretty not… enjoyable to talk with).

It's not about getting more... the issue is that in order to get more you first need to loose what you have.
I'd put my money on her being a slave in the Coldstone Estate... something to entertain those bastards after they murdered their rivals and stole their land from the mourning daughter.
My first bet would have been that she was with the Brigands in order to avoid being murdered... but since that was Ronya it seems the next best bet.

But you get what I'm saying about interconnectedness right? Arianna has massive potential for branching stories.

I don't really see that potential... sure she is a key component in the Cult story but that's pretty much it, she only got to Rumah for a Bonus scene she never was actually meant to be involved with their struggle or story and we don't know wether the cult will be dealt with in Arenfield or wether there are more branches in Kirlic (personally I don't think so, they are more likely a moveing faction that is currently haveing it's base of Operation in Arenfield and the old monastery)

 

[TheGrandMasterCory]

To be fair it was stated before the ratio is actually around 50/50... but it seems the NTR faction is far more organized and is voteing concentrated, while the rest of the supporters choose what ever they actually consider interesting... it's rare that the other factions vote in unison and pretty much impossible that all factions vote concentrated... except for exceptional things like the last rework that invalidised saves.
But since there is no real statistic on the matter the ratio could have gone either way.

That's fair!!!

Although, to be honest, whether the NTR Patrons outnumber the Vanilla Patrons or the NTR Patrons are just more organized and more concentrated than the Vanilla Patrons, the end result is still the same - a disproportionate amount of NTR content.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

...the end result is still the same - a disproportionate amount of NTR content.

I don't think this is the case, and I feel I can speak authoritatively on this having just browsed the game's image folders the other day making sure I wasnt missing anything.

The reality is your average "ntr-avoider" for lack of a better term has severely skewed expectations over what constitutes balance.

If by disproportionate you mean "more than you expected or would like" - I certainly can't argue with you there, because it's all personal preference.

But if you mean a more objective "disproportionate" as in a numerical majority of scenes, that's flat out wrong. My estimation would probably be like 85-15 for this game as a ratio of overall scenes. If we go by image count, it's even less since most of the vanilla scenes contain scores more positions requiring many images.

 

[Ottoeight]

Be happy and rejoice, next one is Mira with quite the thrilling update

Yeah, I can't wait for August .

 

[TheGrandMasterCory]

I don't think this is the case, and I feel I can speak authoritatively on this having just browsed the game's image folders the other day making sure I wasnt missing anything.

The reality is your average "ntr-avoider" for lack of a better term has severely skewed expectations over what constitutes balance.

If by disproportionate you mean "more than you expected or would like" - I certainly can't argue with you there, because it's all personal preference.

But if you mean a more objective "disproportionate" as in a numerical majority of scenes, that's flat out wrong. My estimation would probably be like 85-15 for this game as a ratio of overall scenes. If we go by image count, it's even less since most of the vanilla scenes contain scores more positions requiring many images.

I should've made it clear that I'm not implying that there are necessarily more ntr scenes than there are vanilla** ones.

Nor am I implying that this game has now become completely dominated by ntr.

Instead, my statement is more meant to highlight a fairly recent trend that I and others have noticed - the increase in ntr content development over vanilla content development.

Personally, I've also noticed a push (not just here but across many different games) to have the amount of ntr content be on par with the amount of vanilla content in games.

Now I'm not trying to kink-shame ntr-lovers nor am I trying to completely starve them of the content that they enjoy, but we all must remember that the vast majority of players do not like (I'd say even hate) ntr content.

If you're a game-dev and the vast majority of players hate your content, that's a smaller pool of players and an even smaller pool of patrons that you have to draw upon.

That's why I've always advocated for ntr content to be a sort of punishment in these games - if the player fails to woo/romance/seduce a girl, the consequence is ntr.

In my mind, ntr should be to this game what the ghost/spirit run is to World of Warcraft - a sort of punishment content for failing to succeed at something in the game.

Ultimately, I still think Chyos is doing a great job - it's the reason why I'm stalking this thread, waiting for some kind soul to finally leak version 0.5.4.0.

I'm looking at you zARRR and Evangelion-01!
JK, JK - I know you'd never.

I just hope that Chyos and other devs can figure out how to appropriately balance the desires of the small-but-loud minority of ntr-lovers with the preferences and tastes of the majority of us.

**It should be noted that when I say "vanilla," I simply mean non-ntr content.**

 

[xxDaydreamxx]

Okay, I go to one of those web-site to play the game. Hoping & preying the game doesn't crash on me. (which it does). But now. the game is getting bigger, because of the updates. And it is getting harder to play a single play through, so my question is where can I download the game? and not have to pay a third party or a monthly fee?