RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[Lookingforthis]

Giron is not saveing on his personal guard and the previous members of the arenfield guards were military men.
The Goblins don't posess Iron weapons though as it seems, so it's possible that the found weapon was theirs.
Lyvias men were only a militia which was suprised by a sneak attack of the Brigands, that aside as you mentioned before several members of the guards had previously died in an attempt to reclaim the Iron mine and Lyvia keeps complaining about her mens lack of training... also the Brigands are wearing Leather/Fur armor and the helmet might aswell be made out of copper.
Finally I can't recall haveing seen any corpses of the Brigands in the Camp until MC kills the 2 Scouts left behind in case someone came to check on the Camp again (maybe they recovered their dead comrades before).

Iron was hardly used for anything in the households, sure nobles had metal tableware and maybe tubs, but commoners had clay or wood for most daily necesarries... Tia actually owns a metal cup.
Given the established kingdoms and the game lore so far it's safe to assume that humanity had reached this stand of social and craftmenship development for quiet awhile.
I'd agree that Deserteurs, Bandits, Thieves, Merchants and Villagers are unlikely able to afford Iron equipment but since John is capeable of forging Iron equipment he atleast must have had a stable customer to stay in business, the reason he stopped forging with Iron was the lack material since the mine got taken over afterall.
Orcs didn't stand a chance against human armies, until they redirected their attention against each other leaving the hinterlands unprotected, that aside atleast those unique Orcs seem to use Iron or even steel weapons, as I doubt you'd manage to forge weapons from copper into those forms and maintain them... it's not clear weather the found copper weapons on higher Orcs are theirs or just in their posession (Orc Scouts and maybe brutes probably had to make duo with what little they had afterall they were considered Outcasts in Orc society).

It occurs to me that the heavy banditry and Orc encumbrance on the town are not the normal state of things.

Or civil war for that matter.

I can't think of any town in a medieval setting like this that didn't have, at the very least, a single blacksmith somewhere, but it seems to me that the biggest export product that the town makes is food, given the very extensive farms to it's east, furs, due to the abundance of game around, and lumber, given the nearby river, the extensive operation of Rick's father and all the Elder trees lying around.

It makes me believe that iron was something that the town got mostly through trade. Or normally would anyway. If their main source had ever been the mine before the events of the game, it would have made absolutely no sense to let it rot.

Certainly, Copper is in bigger abundance then iron in this kingdom though, which aside from being a rarity would give reason why people are more often equipped with weapons and armor made of it then anything else; You can basically process copper in a hot enough stove.

Iron requires bloomeries and such to render from ore, and those required an assload of charcoal to heat up too.

 

[Solak]

Giron is not saveing on his personal guard and the previous members of the arenfield guards were military men.
The Goblins don't posess Iron weapons though as it seems, so it's possible that the found weapon was theirs.
Lyvias men were only a militia which was suprised by a sneak attack of the Brigands, that aside as you mentioned before several members of the guards had previously died in an attempt to reclaim the Iron mine and Lyvia keeps complaining about her mens lack of training... also the Brigands are wearing Leather/Fur armor and the helmet might aswell be made out of copper.
Finally I can't recall haveing seen any corpses of the Brigands in the Camp until MC kills the 2 Scouts left behind in case someone came to check on the Camp again (maybe they recovered their dead comrades before).

Iron was hardly used for anything in the households, sure nobles had metal tableware and maybe tubs, but commoners had clay or wood for most daily necesarries... Tia actually owns a metal cup.
Given the established kingdoms and the game lore so far it's safe to assume that humanity had reached this stand of social and craftmenship development for quiet awhile.
I'd agree that Deserteurs, Bandits, Thieves, Merchants and Villagers are unlikely able to afford Iron equipment but since John is capeable of forging Iron equipment he atleast must have had a stable customer to stay in business, the reason he stopped forging with Iron was the lack material since the mine got taken over afterall.
Orcs didn't stand a chance against human armies, until they redirected their attention against each other leaving the hinterlands unprotected, that aside atleast those unique Orcs seem to use Iron or even steel weapons, as I doubt you'd manage to forge weapons from copper into those forms and maintain them... it's not clear weather the found copper weapons on higher Orcs are theirs or just in their posession (Orc Scouts and maybe brutes probably had to make duo with what little they had afterall they were considered Outcasts in Orc society).

Giron is indeed not cutting corners on his personal guard, but he is much less preoccupied with the soldiers guarding the actual city. I seem to recall Lyvia complaining that they're underequipped as well though I may be misremembering.

For the brigands, they are wearing leather armor yes but on top of what appears to be a chainmail, meaning iron. To be fair however, Lyvia and her 5 men were quite likely overwhelmed by numbers. They did manage to kill 2 of them though. One body is next to Lyvia, the other is IIRC half-hidden behind the left tent, below Frank. I don't have a savefile of that moment though, but might post a screenshot once I reach it on my current playthrough.

I'll admit I didn't pay attention to tableware and the like. If Tia owns a metal cup then yeah, definitely entered the Middle Ages. Not sure I'd say for a while though, as we've yet to see full-plate armour or even crossbows. That said, there's more than 1000 years between the start of the Iron Age and the Middle Ages, so that certainly does count as "quite a while"!

For orcs, you're absolutely right. I'll just say that their best equipment might indeed have been scavenged... or provided to them. The game is quite clear on foreshadowing an unseen threat manipulating both orcs and goblins (and likely more) after all.

It occurs to me that the heavy banditry and Orc encumbrance on the town are not the normal state of things.

Or civil war for that matter.

I can't think of any town in a medieval setting like this that didn't have, at the very least, a single blacksmith somewhere, but it seems to me that the biggest export product that the town makes is food, given the very extensive farms to it's east, furs, due to the abundance of game around, and lumber, given the nearby river, the extensive operation of Rick's father and all the Elder trees lying around.

It makes me believe that iron was something that the town got mostly through trade. Or normally would anyway. If their main source had ever been the mine before the events of the game, it would have made absolutely no sense to let it rot.

Solid points. I'll add that the king had already assumed John's iron to be imported. Had those mines truly be important to the kingdom, it'd have been more thoroughly defended and likely taken back, what with all those soldiers on hand. Instead, the kingdom doesn't appear to care all that much, so like you said, it wasn't the main source of income.

The game has no incest do to patreon's rules , how ever there is fanmade content that changes some dialog for incest.

So is that the canon version of events? I've been delaying my decision to confront Mira with the letter because of that. Marcus was hiding something and had the kind of money usually available to nobles so that MC didn't go the front lines. That made me think "he might be the (current or former) king's bastard son", or I suppose more likely, the queen's.

Marcus does look more like a military man than a hunter after all, so he could be a former personal guard of the queen who left with her child and some money for MC. But that's supposing people wouldn't have noticed her pregnant belly and subsequent childbirth. I find that not quite as plausible as the king sowing his seed elsewhere, which makes the "Marcus is the true father" thing kind of awkward for me.

That's why if it's confirmed canon (if not for Patreon), I'd gladly put that matter to rest in my head.

 

[Prayer2009]

Giron is indeed not cutting corners on his personal guard, but he is much less preoccupied with the soldiers guarding the actual city. I seem to recall Lyvia complaining that they're underequipped as well though I may be misremembering.

For the brigands, they are wearing leather armor yes but on top of what appears to be a chainmail, meaning iron. To be fair however, Lyvia and her 5 men were quite likely overwhelmed by numbers. They did manage to kill 2 of them though. One body is next to Lyvia, the other is IIRC half-hidden behind the left tent, below Frank. I don't have a savefile of that moment though, but might post a screenshot once I reach it on my current playthrough.

I'll admit I didn't pay attention to tableware and the like. If Tia owns a metal cup then yeah, definitely entered the Middle Ages. Not sure I'd say for a while though, as we've yet to see full-plate armour or even crossbows. That said, there's more than 1000 years between the start of the Iron Age and the Middle Ages, so that certainly does count as "quite a while"!

For orcs, you're absolutely right. I'll just say that their best equipment might indeed have been scavenged... or provided to them. The game is quite clear on foreshadowing an unseen threat manipulating both orcs and goblins (and likely more) after all.


Solid points. I'll add that the king had already assumed John's iron to be imported. Had those mines truly be important to the kingdom, it'd have been more thoroughly defended and likely taken back, what with all those soldiers on hand. Instead, the kingdom doesn't appear to care all that much, so like you said, it wasn't the main source of income.

So is that the canon version of events? I've been delaying my decision to confront Mira with the letter because of that. Marcus was hiding something and had the kind of money usually available to nobles so that MC didn't go the front lines. That made me think "he might be the (current or former) king's bastard son", or I suppose more likely, the queen's.

Marcus does look more like a military man than a hunter after all, so he could be a former personal guard of the queen who left with her child and some money for MC. But that's supposing people wouldn't have noticed her pregnant belly and subsequent childbirth. I find that not quite as plausible as the king sowing his seed elsewhere, which makes the "Marcus is the true father" thing kind of awkward for me.

That's why if it's confirmed canon (if not for Patreon), I'd gladly put that matter to rest in my head.

Only Chyos knows the whole history behind the MC as for whats already been said about the MC's past canon or non-canon I don't wish to ruin the story for people who haven't played to that point, but don't let that scary you away from playing the game. It's fun game and has a on of things to do it from mini games to crafting and skill leveling play as you like and if your ever in doubt, make a save point, The game has 39 save slots don't be afraid of making mistakes, you don't like the out come, just restart from your last save.

 

[Evangelion-01]

It occurs to me that the heavy banditry and Orc encumbrance on the town are not the normal state of things.

Or civil war for that matter.

I can't think of any town in a medieval setting like this that didn't have, at the very least, a single blacksmith somewhere, but it seems to me that the biggest export product that the town makes is food, given the very extensive farms to it's east, furs, due to the abundance of game around, and lumber, given the nearby river, the extensive operation of Rick's father and all the Elder trees lying around.

It makes me believe that iron was something that the town got mostly through trade. Or normally would anyway. If their main source had ever been the mine before the events of the game, it would have made absolutely no sense to let it rot.

Certainly, Copper is in bigger abundance then iron in this kingdom though, which aside from being a rarity would give reason why people are more often equipped with weapons and armor made of it then anything else; You can basically process copper in a hot enough stove.

Iron requires bloomeries and such to render from ore, and those required an assload of charcoal to heat up too.

First ting to note... Arenfield is no city or town, but a remote village, Kirlic is a city/town.
Considering the low numbers of inhabitants of the village the small mine nearby was enough to supply them with their needs.
Giron ordererd the recovery of the mine, which is why there were so many dead guards before.
As you said Giron is stingy on most things, after his first attempt he gave up on the mine as it was not worth it for him.
After the mine was considered lost John was forced to import iron in order to work on the Kings order of weapons for the frontline.
Copper was never used for weapons or armor... or any blade to begin with as it's far to soft to keep it's edge or even penetrate any form of flesh even John explains this to the MC after showing him the rusted copper blade.
Bronze was however used for many things, though as John said the required tin was never found in the mine near Arenfield, so those must have been imported.
I can agree to the rest of what you said though.

Giron is indeed not cutting corners on his personal guard, but he is much less preoccupied with the soldiers guarding the actual city. I seem to recall Lyvia complaining that they're underequipped as well though I may be misremembering.

This is true, but also a consequence of the original Guards being wiped out in the mines, I suspect they had to make duo with a single set of armor and sword for each member, while useing either those copper swords or something else of low value for training.
As they likely had to make duo with the spare equipment the last guards left behind.

I'll admit I didn't pay attention to tableware and the like. If Tia owns a metal cup then yeah, definitely entered the Middle Ages. Not sure I'd say for a while though, as we've yet to see full-plate armour or even crossbows. That said, there's more than 1000 years between the start of the Iron Age and the Middle Ages, so that certainly does count as "quite a while"!

I consider it hard to place an real Life era or date into a fantasy setting as several aspects tend to get mixed, it's normally simply called a medival setting, there are several tools seen in the game that would indicate that they are further advanced, but a lack of certain other goods is opposing this and stuff.

Solid points. I'll add that the king had already assumed John's iron to be imported. Had those mines truly be important to the kingdom, it'd have been more thoroughly defended and likely taken back, what with all those soldiers on hand. Instead, the kingdom doesn't appear to care all that much, so like you said, it wasn't the main source of income.

The mine is in posession of Giron and the Kingdom is preoccupied with it's war between the 2 Kings, it seems that Eric is not bothered if his people suffer from monster attacks as his brothers encroachment is a higher threat to him

So is that the canon version of events? I've been delaying my decision to confront Mira with the letter because of that. Marcus was hiding something and had the kind of money usually available to nobles so that MC didn't go the front lines. That made me think "he might be the (current or former) king's bastard son", or I suppose more likely, the queen's.

The letter is a work around ToS of Patreon... he offers this content while it is the Players explicit choice to make it as such.
MCs family must haven been rich, wether he is nobility or not is unclear as or yet (the simple fact that his parents apparently were murdered by assasins make it quiet likely though), this also makes it impossible that MC is related to Helena.
And again I can agree with the rest.

 

[Gaboo90]

Can someone add joiplay for Android pls! I can't find it

 

[Ottoeight]

What I think about the letter's canonic / non-canonic version:



zARRR, just remember your task: you have to wake me up when 0.5.2.0 comes out .

 

[Solak]

Copper was never used for weapons or armor... or any blade to begin with as it's far to soft to keep it's edge or even penetrate any form of flesh even John explains this to the MC after showing him the rusted copper blade.

Thinking again about it, copper weaponry being in use by some might simply be the result of: insecure trade routes, remote area, price of iron skyrocketing, copper-rich area (can be found outside). In other words, a poor man's choice. Everything else fits.

I consider it hard to place an real Life era or date into a fantasy setting as several aspects tend to get mixed, it's normally simply called a medival setting, there are several tools seen in the game that would indicate that they are further advanced, but a lack of certain other goods is opposing this and stuff.

Like everything else you've said, agreed. It does seem to be more of an early to mid medieval setting however, what with King Eric's armour and appearance. It's actually fairly impressive that we can discuss this even remotely seriously, goes to show the care put in this game.

The letter is a work around ToS of Patreon... he offers this content while it is the Players explicit choice to make it as such.
MCs family must haven been rich, wether he is nobility or not is unclear as or yet (the simple fact that his parents apparently were murdered by assasins make it quiet likely though), this also makes it impossible that MC is related to Helena.

Gotcha, it's canon but have to hide it because of Patreon. That's a load off my mind and I'll finally be able to move forward with Mira's story!

 

[zARRR]

What I think about the letter's canonic / non-canonic version:



zARRR, just remember your task: you have to wake me up when 0.5.2.0 comes out .

That task is as important as carrying the ring of Lotr, but if you keep ask it I may forget it

Thinking again about it, copper weaponry being in use by some might simply be the result of: insecure trade routes, remote area, price of iron skyrocketing, copper-rich area (can be found outside). In other words, a poor man's choice. Everything else fits.

Like everything else you've said, agreed. It does seem to be more of an early to mid medieval setting however, what with King Eric's armour and appearance. It's actually fairly impressive that we can discuss this even remotely seriously, goes to show the care put in this game.

Gotcha, it's canon but have to hide it because of Patreon. That's a load off my mind and I'll finally be able to move forward with Mira's story!

It always gave me more of early modern age vibe the setting of the game, but since there is no gunpowder (yet) or a functional printing machine (Mira as medieval monks copy old books), I would agree, we are in some kind of medieval passage.
And yeah, the game indeed has a lot of care put in it.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Thinking again about it, copper weaponry being in use by some might simply be the result of: insecure trade routes, remote area, price of iron skyrocketing, copper-rich area (can be found outside). In other words, a poor man's choice. Everything else fits.

useing copper for anything other than heat or electricity conducter is a waste of money... humanity knew this long before medival times, so I doubt you'll find someone dumb enough to rely on that...at least with other option on their disposal, a stone weapon deals more damage than a copper one is cheaper and easier to maintain... same goes for bones.
I do think that renegade Orcs just use anything at their disposal and given that the area around their base is full of copper they decided to use that... though if they got their hands on stone or bones they'd certainly better adviced to use that.
It's always fun to discuss lore even more if it's in such a serious way.

It always gave me more of early modern age vibe the setting of the game, but since there is no gunpowder (yet) or a functional printing machine (Mira as medieval monks copy old books), I would agree, we are in some kind of medieval passage.
And yeah, the game indeed has a lot of care put in it.

Maybe if we date it around the age of the great crusade we are closest to this game, it's normally the age of Kings, Strongholds (castles) and crusade that inspire the fantasy setting afterall.

 

[Ottoeight]

Gotcha, it's canon but have to hide it because of Patreon. That's a load off my mind and I'll finally be able to move forward with Mira's story!

In my canon, Marcus is MC's guardian and Dasan is six feet under.

What's your canon?

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My question to everybody: what's your canon? guardian or daddy? alive or six feet under?

is Mira your roommate?

 

[Yotetar]

Oh yes, the age of Kings.
Making kids cost 50 of food.
If you don't have an scout, you use sheeps instead.

My canon is what the intention had in the first versions.
Of course this changed because of policy patreon, but if the dev wanted to do that, unless there is some unreasonable shit, I will not cap that.

 

[Solak]

is Mira your roommate?

Thanks, you've just made me realise that Emily does fit the landlady role

 

[Solak]

I'm sure of it now, blackjack is slightly bugged.

1 gold 97 for me, 3 gold for Grant.
1st attempt: 0 gold 97 for me, 6 gold for Grant
2nd attempt: 3 gold 97 for me, 0 gold for Grant.

It seems not all calculations are done before a match has ended (and/or started?). Because of that, the variable can carry over to the next one (or even the next week), causing some strange "magic tricks" where gold appears or disappears.

I'm not 100% certain but I believe MC or Grant drawing a Blackjack hand (thus outright ending the match) may be at the source of the issue. Hope someone can confirm.

 

[zARRR]

I'm sure of it now, blackjack is slightly bugged.

1 gold 97 for me, 3 gold for Grant.
1st attempt: 0 gold 97 for me, 6 gold for Grant
2nd attempt: 3 gold 97 for me, 0 gold for Grant.

It seems not all calculations are done before a match has ended (and/or started?). Because of that, the variable can carry over to the next one (or even the next week), causing some strange "magic tricks" where gold appears or disappears.

I'm not 100% certain but I believe MC or Grant drawing a Blackjack hand (thus outright ending the match) may be at the source of the issue. Hope someone can confirm.

Thanks I’ll report it to Chyos.

 

[Yotetar]

Blackjack is broken in reality, you lose more money that you earn, so needs to be remade as fuck. I save everytime I gain 1 gold to him and repeat, it was a tedious task with the blueprints but I earn and filled my own pockets without stealing shit(Not recomended though).As I said before I also recomend to bet his clothes as well, I can fetch some good pocket money for those cargo pants.An orc would like it though, to start as a merchant.

 

[Ottoeight]

Anyway, if you enabled cheats and grabbed the cheatbook on your table you can skip a blackjack match and winnnnnnnnnn.

 

[zARRR]

Anyway, if you enabled cheats and grabbed the cheatbook on your table you can skip a blackjack match and winnnnnnnnnn.

Go back to sleep, you are in lethargy till 5.2.0.

 

[Ottoeight]

Go back to sleep, you are in lethargy till 5.2.0.

 

[Solak]

Blackjack is broken in reality, you lose more money that you earn, so needs to be remade as fuck. I save everytime I gain 1 gold to him and repeat, it was a tedious task with the blueprints but I earn and filled my own pockets without stealing shit(Not recomended though).As I said before I also recomend to bet his clothes as well, I can fetch some good pocket money for those cargo pants.An orc would like it though, to start as a merchant.

Blackjack is broken in real-life indeed. Just like all money games, they're designed to make the house win overall. Cheap bastards, give us your money dammit!

Back to this game though, I've had the best success when stopping at 15 or 16.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Blackjack is broken in real-life indeed. Just like all money games, they're designed to make the house win overall. Cheap bastards, give us your money dammit!

Back to this game though, I've had the best success when stopping at 15 or 16.

that's a surprising low number, I normally attempt 18+ as anything below tends to be a loss... certainly at times it's impossible given the high chance to draw a face card.
Also in my experience double put down and splitting card aren't as rewarding as they claim