RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[Ottoeight]

Emily's next main update, whenever she wins the vote, is to marry her. It's explicitly laid out in the poll, point in fact.

My MC isn't marrying anyone, whatever it happens. Upon my word.

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Anyway, I think I'm going to rename this game: "A struggle with Tia & NTR", by this time.

 

[Lookingforthis]

My MC isn't marrying anyone, whatever it happens. Upon my word.

Locking yourself out of content just so that you play out your preferred story beats in a game not designed for them is...a choice I suppose.

Anyway, I feel disappointed because Imawyn had no new content in this update. She's one of my favs, you know.

Content is democratically chosen I am afraid. Want Imawyn to win an update? Pay Chyos money and vote for that.

 

[Tehemai]

So, Tia, ntr, Tia, ntr, Tia, ntr, Tia, ntr, Tia, ntr... and, oh well... guess what, more Tia.



Anyway, I feel disappointed because Imawyn had no new content in this update. She's one of my favs, you know.

I like Tia so I'm okay with that so long as he moves on for a while after this. It is getting a little heavy on the ntr side though. Whereas the game made it sound like it's mostly for punishment at the beginning, it seems like there's increasingly more a focus on it also being a pseudo reward. Which leaves very little room for other content/girls in patches.

And imo, in some cases starts eroding personalities. Like how quickly Tia turns on MC simply for leaving her a few days in Rumah. Despite him being the first person in her life besides her mother to not other her. Feels very forced.

 

[fakeacoount321]

Hey, sorry if this has already been noted or if this is a bad way of reporting bugs, but here's a bug I found.

If I masturbate with Tia following me in the mines, whenever it transitions to Tia giving a blowjob, another animation of Tia getting fucked by a goblin gets superimposed on top of it. The dialogue and everything is still solelly for the blowjob, just that goblin animation randomly there. (I haven't killed all of the goblins in the mines yet if maybe that would make a difference.)

 

[Yotetar]

I think people doesnt know that the corruption is the trigger to those change of personalities and NTR points.

For example:
Lyvia will not let you do anal sex if corruption is low, much less she would accept Mc fucking her outside or accepts the order to: "increase the morale of the troops".

Also NTR stuff happens mostly if the MC accept the share, or they have a person before the MC. Tia will not start fucking to others in Rumah if the mc didn't accept it, and if corruption isn't high. Mostly of those scenes have a message to tell you what's gonna happen, or they "indicate" you what would happen.


It is true what fake says lol:


Also it's so fucked up that the background flash around weed, rocks and something that I dont wnat to know what is.

 

[Tehemai]

Also NTR stuff happens mostly if the MC accept the share, or they have a person before the MC. Tia will not start fucking to others in Rumah if the mc didn't accept it, and if corruption isn't high. Mostly of those scenes have a message to tell you what's gonna happen, or they "indicate" you what would happen.

Not according to the walkthrough:

"8. Now in Rumah village you have to get your reputation up to 5: NTR: if you leave Tia in Rumah and then don't come back for a week she will start getting angry at you. She will first start wearing tribal wear and then after a while start a relationship with Dasan."

Merely leaving her in a place in a village with other guys interested in her causes her to strip in front of everyone and get you NTR'd in a matter of little over a week despite being engaged, no mention of corruption. The same girl that won't take her top off for her husband alone in the forest without corruption.

 

[Yotetar]

Not according to the walkthrough:

"8. Now in Rumah village you have to get your reputation up to 5: NTR: if you leave Tia in Rumah and then don't come back for a week she will start getting angry at you. She will first start wearing tribal wear and then after a while start a relationship with Dasan."

Merely leaving her in a place in a village with other guys interested in her causes her to strip in front of everyone and get you NTR'd in a matter of little over a week despite being engaged, no mention of corruption. The same girl that won't take her top off for her husband alone in the forest without corruption.

Lets put the .8 complete shall we:
Now in Rumah village you have to get your reputation up to 5:

NTR: if you leave Tia in Rumah and then don't come back for a week she will start getting angry at you. She will first start wearing tribal wear and then after a while start a relationship with Dasan. You can prevent this by completing the reputation quest and then to mend your relationship sleep in your hut with Tia.
You can prevent this by completing the reputation quest and then to mend your relationship sleep in your hut with Tia.

So if you accept NTR in game (ON) plus you accept leaving her for more than 1 week plus you dont complete the quest = you get ntred.
Also Tia gives you a warning of not leaving her alone a lot. So if you ignore those warnings, you are directly accepting being NTRed.
Sleep with her every 2 days with her while doing that quest and should be fine .

Also I said most of the cases, there are exceptions without corruption.

 

[Tehemai]

So if you accept NTR in game (ON) plus you accept leaving her for more than 1 week plus you dont complete the quest = you get ntred.
Also Tia gives you a warning of not leaving her alone a lot. So if you ignore those warnings, you are directly accepting being NTRed.
Sleep with her every 2 days with her while doing that quest and should be fine .

I'm well aware, but remember the criticism here is not at all that it's unavoidable. Props to him, Chyos is quite good at that. It's that it doesn't feel like it's there as a fail state as the game initially suggests, but instead feels forced. Pandering to the fetish for content to the point where it's not really in line with the characters.

 

[anonym0u5]

There might be a path to ally with Jonah even when he's imprisoned. Mind you that Arenfield's militia and guards are under MC's rule.

No, MC only has control over 2 people & his mercs actually. Lyvia being his lover & Frank who’s indebted to MC for saving his life.

MC has 0 authorities over Henry & the guards in Giron’s house.

 

[zARRR]

No, MC only has control over 2 people & his mercs actually. Lyvia being his lover & Frank who’s indebted to MC for saving his life.

MC has 0 authorities over Henry & the guards in Giron’s house.

It’s actually the contrary mind you!

Frank is his lover and Lyvia is indebted to MC for saving his life.

 

[Yotetar]

I'm well aware, but remember the criticism here is not at all that it's unavoidable. Props to him, Chyos is quite good at that. It's that it doesn't feel like it's there as fail state as the game initially suggests, but instead feels forced. Pandering to the fetish to the point where it's not really in line with the characters.

For me it is not "being forced" and I understand what you mean, but is more like poor design because he doesnt put enough attention to what he is making with the excuse of: "It is a bonus scene".
Frisha is a clearly example of that:
You go the no NTR route, you build a strong relationship with her, even if you corrupt her, she literally says:"I am a slut, but loyal slut".
And then on a bonus scene, because she has a debt with Grant if you dont pay the debt, the only option is: "Well, lets fuck Grant, no more loyal slut." All the relationship builded with time, to the trash, like a bag of shit.
That's poor planning, something that I critice a time ago.
That's something he needs to fix, also I even recommend a solution: the option of working with Verena as a tailor to make money, to pay the debt. But deaf ears, so that.

Yeh, I am a patron.

 

[anonym0u5]

I hope that happens because I was hoping this path led to the mc being the unseen knife in giron's back and those 3 revenge.

He’s already the unseen knife in Giron’s back, MC was never fond of Giron to begin with.

Before you rescue Yasmine, if you purposely let the quest late by a day or more & come to Giron, he’ll tell you that he’s disappointed & will eventually kick Yasmine out. MC will make a remark about how much of a piece of shit Giron is.

MC is always motivated to take Giron down, knowing that there are 3 more other people hated Giron doesn’t really changed anything about his motivation.

 

[anonym0u5]

It's hard to judge a game's quality from walkthrough alone.

Try it out yourself; it's honestly not that convoluted.

In addition, it’s not that hard to follow cuz there’s this thing you can do on majority of PCs called “crtl+f”.

 

[anonym0u5]

It’s actually the contrary mind you!

Frank is his lover and Lyvia is indebted to MC for saving his life.

Fuck… you’re right!

Frank scenes when, Chyos?

 

[zARRR]

He’s already the unseen knife in Giron’s back, MC was never fond of Giron to begin with.

Before you rescue Yasmine, if purposely let the quest late by a day or more & come to Giron, he’ll tell you that he’s disappointed & will eventually kick Yasmine out. MC will make a remark about how much of a piece of shit Giron is.

MC is always motivated to take Giron down, knowing that there are 3 more other people hated Giron doesn’t really changed anything about his motivation.

It probably makes Giron even worse as a person in his motivation.

He was already rock bottom, but holy shit Chyos managed to make him even worse, he doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself and his puppet son.
He is truly the main villain of this first act of the game, fuck Gurtak he is the real menace

 

[Tehemai]

For me it is not "being forced" but poor design because he doesnt put enough attention to what he is making with the excuse of: "It is a bonus scene".
Frisha is a clearly example of that:
You go the no NTR route, you build a strong relationship with her, even if you corrupt her, she literally says:"I am a slut, but loyal slut".
And then on a bonus scene, because she has a debt with Grant if you dont pay the debt, the only option is: "Well, lets fuck Grant, no more loyal slut."
That's poor planning, something that I critice a time ago.
That's something he needs to fix, also I even recommend a solution: the option of working with Verena as a tailor to make money, to pay the debt. But deaf ears, so that.

Yeh, I am a patron.

Yea, that's basically what I was saying. I mean I call it forced because I don't think it would make it into the game otherwise. There's plenty of NTR content for Tia already but in a forced attempt to put in yet even more, scenes that don't make logical sense get shoehorned in at the cost of character integrity. Even as that time could be better served on neglected characters while letting NTR scenes be implemented more naturally as a consequence of actually sensible fail states. Not merely leaving a loyal girl unattended in a mostly friendly village for a little while.

I don't think a quiet reserved Tia would turn on MC even if he left her there for months. Things are actually going on, werewolve attacks, kidnappings, war, royalty arriving, near death experiences, grief over father, lost house, etc. She would certainly understand some minor delay. At the very least she would not so quickly betray without low affection and 20+ corruption. But we got that scene anyway over say the aforementioned more Imawyn content cause we apparently needed even more NTR to add to her already half dozen NTR scenes.

And as you mentioned, it isn't the only ntr scene like this.

 

[Yotetar]

Yea, that's basically what I was saying. I mean I call it forced because I don't think it would make it into the game otherwise. There's plenty of NTR content for Tia already but in a forced attempt to put in yet even more, scenes that don't make logical sense get shoehorned in at the cost of character integrity. Even as that time could be better served on neglected characters while letting NTR scenes implemented more naturally as a consequence of actually sensible fail states. Not merely leaving a loyal girl unattended in a mostly friendly village for a little while.

I don't think a quiet reserved Tia would turn on MC even if he left her there for months. Things are actually going on, werewolve attacks, kidnappings, war, royalty arriving, near death experiences, grief over father, lost house, etc. She would certainly understand some minor delay. At the very least she would not so quickly betray without low affection and 20+ corruption. But we got that scene anyway over say the aforementioned more Imawyn content cause we apparently needed even more NTR to add to her already half dozen NTR scenes.

Well, Chyos got railed out of the way when that happened, he knows it or at least it was said to him, if he wants to fix it or not, it will be his choice in the end.Time will tell.

 

[anonym0u5]

It probably makes Giron even worse as a person in his motivation.

He was already rock bottom, but holy shit Chyos managed to make him even worse, he doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself and his puppet son.
He is truly the main villain of this first act of the game, fuck Gurtak he is the real menace

Maybe not even his son.

I went for the divorce route with Yasmine & I brought Liandra back to him. I know that he’s getting someone new (that isn’t implemented yet), but I can also see him going after Liandra (now that he’s single again) behind Dave’s back like a piece of shit he is.

 

[zARRR]

Maybe not even his son.

I went for the divorce route with Yasmine & I brought Liandra back to him. I know that he’s getting someone new (that isn’t implemented yet), but I can also see him going after Liandra (now that he’s single again) behind Dave’s back like a piece of shit he is.

Oh yeah but he was since day 1 then, next Liandra's bonus scene will have a ntr scene with guess who?

 

[Tehemai]

Well, Chyos got railed out of the way when that happened, he knows it or at least it was said to him, if he wants to fix it or not, it will be his choice in the end.Time will tell.

Oh did he? I completely missed that. Can you elaborate a little on what happened?