RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[Cat-in-the-Hat]

Actually no... Athia considers lust a distracting effect on mortals while she agrees to procreation she doesn't consider sex as a fun activity to be morality fine.
Isha said herself, while she CAN affect the lust of mortals she doesn't controll all lust... she plays michiefs every now and than but in general she was like the other gods leaving mortals to themselfes.
On the Love past Athia admits that she never loved Uldar either and consideres herself a prude and hypocrate in hindsight

...and at 20/0 Love/Corruption, she bonks you like mad even knowing you're not monogamous. Isha uses lust like crack cocaine, she's addicted to it (to be youthful / gain power). You learn more about his if you do her second student's questline (who replaces you if you choose Althia) to 12/5 or so. At 5 corruption she has specific dialogue regarding Lust, Isha and what corruption means.

Lots of projection in this thread, but I'll leave before I get annoyed again by the utter stupidity / non-foresight of paying Patreons voting for minor character content and not, you know, pushing to get the city done when almost all of the story quests require it to exist before they can happen. Hint: you make the city map, then it exists, then you can add in quests as you do them to the same map.

The game has a zero percent chance of finishing unless the Dev bites the bullet and gets on with a properly structured Dev Map, finicking around with more minor character renders is essentially wasting / stalling for time.

one should i play 2 save or just one save
1 is no ntr MC control evethinh and can send girl to other man
2 let NTR became king like Dasan is king MC just follwer order
so what your Idal

You need to do two separate saves: ideally a 100% non-NTR and a 100% NTR to see all the content: note, you can happily do a non-NTR run with the NTR option enabled which is more sensible than selecting the 'disable content' flag at the start. There's no point in mix/matching choices, you should go 100% on each save as multiple choices / branches are exclusionary - there are minor exceptions (Kate - Barn, Lyvia - camp, Farmer - shop, Church as long as you restore Holy water before endpoint and never set her 'frustrated' flag etc) but the major ones for Orcs, Village, Mayor, Emily's daughters etc will require two (2) save paths.

 

[FinalZero]

...and at 20/0 Love/Corruption, she bonks you like mad even knowing you're not monogamous. Isha uses lust like crack cocaine, she's addicted to it (to be youthful / gain power). You learn more about his if you do her second student (who replaces you if you choose Althia) to 12/5 or so.

Lots of projection in this thread, but I'll leave before I get annoyed again by the utter stupidity / non-foresight of paying Patreons voting for minor character content and not, you know, pushing to get the city done when almost all of the story quests require it to exist before they can happen. Hint: you make the city map, then it exists, then you can add in quests as you do them to the same map.

The game has a zero percent chance of finishing unless the Dev bites the bullet and gets on with a properly structured Dev Map, finicking around with more minor character renders is essentially wasting / stalling for time.



You need to do two separate saves: ideally a 100% non-NTR and a 100% NTR to see all the content. There's no point in mix/matching choices, you should go 100% on each save as multiple choices / branches are exclusionary.

i try new game 100% NTR to see all the content

 

[Evangelion-01]

...and at 20/0 Love/Corruption, she bonks you like mad even knowing you're not monogamous. Isha uses lust like crack cocaine, she's addicted to it (to be youthful / gain power). You learn more about his if you do her second student's questline (who replaces you if you choose Althia) to 12/5 or so. At 5 corruption she has specific dialogue regarding Lust, Isha and what corruption means.

Isha is only addicted to power, MC serving her as a rechargeable battery.
It's not lust she draws from MC but her essence which she infused him with (-50 Energy) [even with 0 Lust MC can fuck her and recharge her powers]
Athia explains that Ishas current Powers have a demonic taint or are that of the sworn enemy of the human gods even... her essence might be connected with lust but it's not lust itself.

Lots of projection in this thread, but I'll leave before I get annoyed again by the utter stupidity / non-foresight of paying Patreons voting for minor character content and not, you know, pushing to get the city done when almost all of the story quests require it to exist before they can happen. Hint: you make the city map, then it exists, then you can add in quests as you do them to the same map.

Creating empty maps is possible but the only thing you achieve that way is disdain, unless there is any content and promisses for future content Options will never win a vote.

The game has a zero percent chance of finishing unless the Dev bites the bullet and gets on with a properly structured Dev Map, finicking around with more minor character renders is essentially wasting / stalling for time.

While I agree thhat time is wasted it's not on the minor Characters storylines but the bonusscenes which add no story or game mechanics... just some sex scene (normally not even good ones).

 

[zARRR]

Isha is only addicted to power, MC serving her as a rechargeable battery.
It's not lust she draws from MC but her essence which she infused him with (-50 Energy)

Creating empty maps is possible but the only thing you achieve that way is disdain, unless there is any content and promisses for future content Options will never win a vote.

While I agree thhat time is wasted it's not on the minor Characters storylines but the bonusscenes which add no story or game mechanics... just some sex scene (normally not even good ones).

Coff coff Dasan coff coff

 

[Cat-in-the-Hat]

Isha is only addicted to power, MC serving her as a rechargeable battery.
It's not lust she draws from MC but her essence which she infused him with (-50 Energy) [even with 0 Lust MC can fuck her and recharge her powers]

This is merely a continuity error: lust = battery charge, she specifically states (multiple times) that Lust is what she's after. That's why the mechanics of Lust = 100 = loss of control and so on make sense. Check the demonesses' dialogues out as well. 'Corruption' = loss of rational control more than anything else. In fact, given the dialogues, it's hinted that the Demonic pact was the only way Isha could return, and she's not too happy about the compromise / deal made... which leads us on to:

Athia explains that Ishas current Powers have a demonic taint or are that of the sworn enemy of the human gods even... her essence might be connected with lust but it's not lust itself.

...Which is why the City is 100% required, given that the main storyline (Church / Daughter / Demoness) cannot procede until it's made (the Cult as well). Given that the main storyline has been almost totally ignored due to rampant Tia fandom, I have little hope that this project will remain on track.

You've managed to 100% get the story completely reversed: Isha requires lust to get fed (as an ex-Goddess): the demonic pact / taint was the only way she could break free of her exile, it's a by-product / side-effect, not what she's after. She isn't the Big-Bad, the Demoness under the Church is.

Sigh. The fact you've got this so wrong is due to the main story being almost totally forgotten by the way.

Creating empty maps is possible but the only thing you achieve that way is disdain, unless there is any content and promisses for future content Options will never win a vote.

While I agree thhat time is wasted it's not on the minor Characters storylines but the bonusscenes which add no story or game mechanics... just some sex scene (normally not even good ones).

...Which is why Patreon Content Votes are a cul-de-sac that lead to Abandoned husks and milking. 100% the punters are clueless: you make that map as your cornerstone for Act II, plan it out with all potential future story threads you've got planned and slap it in making it clear that all those future stories will be set there. That Bank you put in? Guess what, it's gonna be required for Ophelia's storyline. That Royal Guards Barrack? That's gonna be required for Lyvia. Etc. Act II? Your anchor is the City Map. It does not matter if certain areas are not accessible as long as you've flagged them as potentially becoming so.

You know, like the mill-house / windmill in the starting town that's remained "locked" for three years now.

This is basic Game Dev planning and why you make Road Maps / storyboards when designing your game.

 

[Evangelion-01]

This is merely a continuity error: lust = battery charge, she specifically states (multiple times) that Lust is what she's after. That's why the mechanics of Lust = 100 = loss of control and so on make sense. Check the demonesses' dialogues out as well. 'Corruption' = loss of rational control more than anything else. In fact, given the dialogues, it's hinted that the Demonic pact was the only way Isha could return, and she's not too happy about the compromise / deal made... which leads us on to:

There have been several plots and lore on this and personally I don't trust anything Syfa says... and take Ishas wisdom with a grain of salt... she doesn't share everything with the MC and simplifies many matters (maybe she believes the MC/mortals to dumb to comprehend or she hides some facts with intention).
Isha herself says she is not lust incarnate just that lust is in her juristiction.
We know that Isha did not infect MC with lust but with her essence which interacts with his mortal lust but is not the same.
When she has sex with MC she is not extracting his lust, but her essence (MC looses all lust as like everytime he has sex, but that's not an essential part of the act

...Which is why the City is 100% required, given that the main storyline (Church / Daughter / Demoness) cannot procede until it's made (the Cult as well). Given that the main storyline has been almost totally ignored due to rampant Tia fandom, I have little hope that this project will remain on track.

You are mixing up facts... neither the next step in the cult nor in the demons Quest requires Kirlic the only quest currently requiring it is Kate and Claires.
The monastery of Kirlic is outside of the city and several miles away to be precise.
The cult requires the ruined monastery in the darkwoods which we already know.
I'll give you the Tia marathon though.

You've managed to 100% get the story completely reversed: Isha requires lust to get fed (as an ex-Goddess): the demonic pact / taint was the only way she could break free of her exile, it's a by-product / side-effect, not what she's after. She isn't the Big-Bad, the Demoness under the Church is.

Again you are mixing up lore and personal interpretation... Isha needed to recover her powers without haveing access to any of her divinity after researching her situation she found an ally in syfa whom taught her how to gather her essence and inject it into a mortal useing him as a medium to grow and reextract it again... useing that process to recover her powers.
Isha embraced the corruption for a chance of revenge wether she is aware of that fact or the corruption changed her own perception is a question her story will hopefully explain... at this point it's a personal interpretation.

...Which is why Patreon Content Votes are a cul-de-sac that lead to Abandoned husks and milking. 100% the punters are clueless: you make that map as your cornerstone for Act II, plan it out with all potential future story threads you've got planned and slap it in making it clear that all those future stories will be set there. That Bank you put in? Guess what, it's gonna be required for Ophelia's storyline. That Royal Guards Barrack? That's gonna be required for Lyvia. Etc. Act II? Your anchor is the City Map. It does not matter if certain areas are not accessible as long as you've flagged them as potentially becoming so.

This works for a Demo but any Player being hit by "This is still a WIP comeback once I had time to develope this area" on any possible transition point will just consider this a waste of time, chyos already knows what his game needs to have at a minimum and grows it based on feedback or Bonus scenes (again no fan of those for quiet awhile now)

You know, like the mill-house / windmill in the starting town that's remained "locked" for three years now.

What are you talking about? the Mill was added when Chyos reworked the Arenfield map around a year ago.

This is basic Game Dev planning and why you make Road Maps / storyboards when designing your game.

And again this is something in existance, you might not agree to it but even you can't deny it's existence.

 

[baloneysammich]

Playing the game for the first time, have some questions:

1) Raising CON (to L1 at least) is supposed to increase HP and EN by 2%. Both those are just over 100, so that should give 2 points each. But it doesn't, at least not immediately. So how is it supposed to work? Do you have to level up after the talent increase to see the stat increases?

2) I noticed that if when I cleaned the room in Emily's with 21 EN all was consumed, but it's also possible to clean the room with as little as 10 EN. Is this because it requires a fixed amount of EN to completely clean it, or is it actually more "energy efficient" to always do it with ~10 EN?

 

[Evangelion-01]

Playing the game for the first time, have some questions:

1) Raising CON (to L1 at least) is supposed to increase HP and EN by 2%. Both those are just over 100, so that should give 2 points each. But it doesn't, at least not immediately. So how is it supposed to work? Do you have to level up after the talent increase to see the stat increases?

2) I noticed that if when I cleaned the room in Emily's with 21 EN all was consumed, but it's also possible to clean the room with as little as 10 EN. Is this because it requires a fixed amount of EN to completely clean it, or is it actually more "energy efficient" to always do it with ~10 EN?

Player constitution Trait reduces energy used for any task except for skills in combat.
Raising Constitution to Level 10 however is currently the limit for Energy reduction.
The +2% should apply as soon as you raised the trait and saved the setup (you can undo trait increases until you confirmed them).

 

[k66966]

There is a bug in the NTR route after Lyvia lost a couple time after Tia is claim by the orc
Lyvia just cannot join into the sixSome?.

 

[Evangelion-01]

There is a bug in the NTR route after Lyvia lost a couple time after Tia is claim by the orc
Lyvia just cannot join into the sixSome?. View attachment 2424742

Its not as much as a bug as something that is not yet included... the new Orc area only has Tia and Katherine content in that regard

 

[baloneysammich]

The +2% should apply as soon as you raised the trait and saved the setup (you can undo trait increases until you confirmed them).

I applied the change and even exited and reentered the menu screen. The max values don't increase. Strange.

 

[Cat-in-the-Hat]

You are mixing up facts... neither the next step in the cult nor in the demons Quest requires Kirlic the only quest currently requiring it is Kate and Claires.
The monastery of Kirlic is outside of the city and several miles away to be precise.
The cult requires the ruined monastery in the darkwoods which we already know.
I'll give you the Tia marathon though.

Ok, I don't currently have this title installed, so this is from memory and cba to look up the names atm:

Kate
Ophelia (Father quest)
Queen / Princess (requires Front map as well more than likely, but King is ultimately based in City)
Church (see what Priest / Paladin / Syfia say, not just Kirlic Monastery: from memory Paladins are not based in Kirlic)
Cult (Mini-boss Prophet links to City)
Emily 2nd daughter (Cards player / fashion design threads)
Baron's Son's Bride (usually remains in camp or chastity belt, Father is in City)
Dwarves / Dark Elves (very tenuous but requires Mage specialist to even approach area, see their dialogues - so where else are you going to put getting some specific magic training etc?)
Bandits / Revan (see dialogues - if you're ultimately going to replace the Baron, getting Revan pardoned / jail broken will require politics higher than Baron, which means... the City)
Rebel plotline (requires Front map 1st, but ultimately...)

Etc.

For Act II any sane designer would immediately know that something like this is going to be required and plan accordingly (map of Waterdeep)

You must be registered to see the links

What are you talking about? the Mill was added when Chyos reworked the Arenfield map around a year ago.

I mean the building in the SE corner next to the barn. As far as I'm aware this has been present since 4.5ish - the point remains that an early quest to mill flour or clear of rats is somewhat of a tradition in these types of RPGs... but the building has remained stubbornly unused for at least a whole number of patch cycles. This doesn't mean it needs using ASAP, it merely shows that the Dev knows how these hooks work.

And again this is something in existance, you might not agree to it but even you can't deny it's existence.

Do you have a non-Patreon locked link to this? I'd be genuinely interested in reading over it to see the feasibility.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Kate
Ophelia (Father quest)
Queen / Princess (requires Front map as well more than likely, but King is ultimately based in City)
Church (see what Priest / Paladin / Syfia say, not just Kirlic Monastery: from memory Paladins are not based in Kirlic)
Cult (Mini-boss Prophet links to City)
Emily 2nd daughter (Cards player / fashion design threads)
Baron's Son's Bride (usually remains in camp or chastity belt, Father is in City)
Dwarves / Dark Elves (very tenuous but requires Mage specialist to even approach area, see their dialogues - so where else are you going to put getting some specific magic training etc?)
Bandits / Revan (see dialogues - if you're ultimately going to replace the Baron, getting Revan pardoned / jail broken will require politics higher than Baron, which means... the City)
Rebel plotline (requires Front map 1st, but ultimately...)

• agreed
• Queen and Princess are linked to the Orcs in MadraGaz (main Orc settlement) so no connection to Kirlic
• The King resides in a completly different city
• The next step in the church Quest is the monastery near the crossroad with the Inn visible on the map
• The Cult is operating in Arenfield and the monastery in the darkwoods right now wether an where other hideouts/cells are operating is as of yet unclear
• Emilys second daugther is Mira so church Quest... if you are talking about her firstborn Frisha there never was even an indication to that
• Lyandra is not quiet clear yet... sure you can bring her to Kirlic, but unless her marriage with Dave is dealt with that wouldn't solve anything
• There is a University in Kirlic, though in Society magic is called witchcraft and practitioners are hunted, so the university doesn't teach magic... try Gwen/Isha or more likely Sabrina or maybe some elves if Gwen/Isha finds them
• Kirlic is ruled by another Baron so no that won't help at all, Arenfield is under Girons juristiction th Baron of Kirlic wouldn't get involved there.
• The War is by far not even hinted at at the current story point development.

You are putting your own expactations before the facts... and I have no idea where you even get those ideas about "Act 2" Either you are in the wrong Thread or you are mixing up even more stuff.

I mean the building in the SE corner next to the barn. As far as I'm aware this has been present since 4.5ish - the point remains that an early quest to mill flour or clear of rats is somewhat of a tradition in these types of RPGs... but the building has remained stubbornly unused for at least a whole number of patch cycles. This doesn't mean it needs using ASAP, it merely shows that the Dev knows how these hooks work.

The building you are talking about was changed dureing the makeover currently it could be as much as an Alchemy laboratory there is no indication for a mill aside of Pennys grinding stones.

Do you have a non-Patreon locked link to this? I'd be genuinely interested in reading over it to see the feasibility.

I can't help you there, the roadmap exist though it's not public visible, the polls are an extraction of said roadmap

 

[zARRR]

Ok, I don't currently have this title installed, so this is from memory and cba to look up the names atm:

Kate
Ophelia (Father quest)
Queen / Princess (requires Front map as well more than likely, but King is ultimately based in City)
Church (see what Priest / Paladin / Syfia say, not just Kirlic Monastery: from memory Paladins are not based in Kirlic)
Cult (Mini-boss Prophet links to City)
Emily 2nd daughter (Cards player / fashion design threads)
Baron's Son's Bride (usually remains in camp or chastity belt, Father is in City)
Dwarves / Dark Elves (very tenuous but requires Mage specialist to even approach area, see their dialogues - so where else are you going to put getting some specific magic training etc?)
Bandits / Revan (see dialogues - if you're ultimately going to replace the Baron, getting Revan pardoned / jail broken will require politics higher than Baron, which means... the City)
Rebel plotline (requires Front map 1st, but ultimately...)

Etc.

For Act II any sane designer would immediately know that something like this is going to be required and plan accordingly (map of Waterdeep)

You must be registered to see the links

I mean the building in the SE corner next to the barn. As far as I'm aware this has been present since 4.5ish - the point remains that an early quest to mill flour or clear of rats is somewhat of a tradition in these types of RPGs... but the building has remained stubbornly unused for at least a whole number of patch cycles. This doesn't mean it needs using ASAP, it merely shows that the Dev knows how these hooks work.




Do you have a non-Patreon locked link to this? I'd be genuinely interested in reading over it to see the feasibility.

If you feel this strong feelings about it and you want to talk it deeply, You can ask directly to Chyos and discuss it, when he returns tomorrow.
He is more active on discord than F95, on the site he is a silent watcher that answers occasionally.
So you bring it directly to the big man

 

[smes95303]

How to watch kate dance in the evening service？

 

[Mr. Jekyll/Hyde]

Is there any benefit to having good moral alignment?

 

[zARRR]

How to watch kate dance in the evening service？

First you need to enable dancing in the tavern.
Then while you play the serving minigame you have to go to the ramp and start dancing

Is there any benefit to having good moral alignment?

Other than role playing and some dialogue changes, wicked alignment locks only some of the most nasty kinks

 

[Cat-in-the-Hat]

If you feel this strong feelings about it and you want to talk it deeply, You can ask directly to Chyos and discuss it, when he returns tomorrow.

It's more a general issue rather than being specifically Chyos: reading through the large numbers of games that either become abandoned or suffer massive drift issues (largely Western as Japan has an industry rather than hobbyists), one thing stands out: lone / small indy dev teams would benefit from a "Hey, you're a Developer now, here's a handy manual and some pointers" kit to help them. It would certainly cut down on needless drama, over-focusing on Discord feedback loops and burnout to the benefit of all in the scene. TBH, itch.io / Patreon etc really should be handling this as 'almost publishers' / third party front-ends.

Other than role playing and some dialogue changes, wicked alignment locks only some of the most nasty kinks

I wasn't aware that Alignment unlocked any content, barring the (negative) 65/66 required to alter the Holy Water. Can you point out other thresholds please? (Not in walkthroughs)

 

[zARRR]

It's more a general issue rather than being specifically Chyos: reading through the large numbers of games that either become abandoned or suffer massive drift issues (largely Western as Japan has an industry rather than hobbyists), one thing stands out: lone / small indy dev teams would benefit from a "Hey, you're a Developer now, here's a handy manual and some pointers" kit to help them. It would certainly cut down on needless drama, over-focusing on Discord feedback loops and burnout to the benefit of all in the scene. TBH, itch.io / Patreon etc really should be handling this as 'almost publishers' / third party front-ends.

I mean on this matter I fully agree that it is an issue that always keeps resurfacing in the scope of porn games made by western devs, that have no real constrictions or contracts to keep in line.
Since in Japan there is an industry and team of devs, with roadmaps and contracts the problem is avoided.
On the western front, we have independent devs (most of them even without experience) that stumble and try to find success on the internet.
Few keep a focus while others fly too ambitiously near the sun, and we get games where the main content is completely avoided in favor of side content or the things that the patrons like, forgetting entirely the main structure.
Then we have the cases of stalling and milking but that’s the argument for another discussion.
On Chyos side like Yotetar and other users like Eva and Wolf have admitted, there is a focus on keeping things straight and hard work with the main polls but alas we have the bonus scene pandora box and other flaws that had been repeated yadda yadda same stuff.
We shall see when he comes back if he has some news.

 

[smes95303]

First you need to enable dancing in the tavern.
Then while you play the serving minigame you have to go to the ramp and start dancing

Other than role playing and some dialogue changes, wicked alignment locks only some of the most nasty kinks

not sure what I'm missing or chosen wrong，I can see kate move at midnight，but dont know enable tavern dance