RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[Apartment817]

Im pretty sure people who dont like ntr dont want to see the women being fucked by the NPCs even if the context is not exactly ntr lmao and it is more "sharing/swinging" lmao. No reason to be disingenuous.

Still don't think the content is leaning much towards that, this always had a bit of everything and I dont think it has changed much.

Which is why Chyos labeled it NTR, and why I thought it was worthwhile to detail what it actually is.

In both of the instances I spoke of, they are new vanilla scenes that can either be female and MC or a fmm scene. It's the exact same scene. Vanilla players weren't robbed of a new scene that only went to NTR players.

A new FFM isn't considered NTR for some reason (insecure homophobes is my belief) but since FMM are considered to be NTR, Chyos just gave the player an easy way to choose whether or not it is a threeway.

That is not a underlying current of NTR (which should mostly be psychological anyway) taking over the game, it's the developer realizing that if he is going to add a FMM threeway, he had better cater to the whiners and make the new scene also be a two way.

This "the developer broke his promise" nonsense is what is laughable.

 

[EKOMEKO]

How do I see new content?

 

[mannice431]

Need help with Ophelia, it says "Ophelia is on a mission for her father. Maybe you will hear news about it in the tavern in a few days."

But more than 5 days have already gone by so...help?

 

[preskerd]

Uh, look again. Look at how far down you have to go to see any new NTR, the newest scene with Claire and Bjorn isn't even NTR, you chose to bring Claire into Bjorn's bedroom, at which point you can choose to let him join in. In order to get to that point, you have already had threesomes with Claire and her daughter. It is possible at any point of the day to have a threeway with her and Verena. You have had sex with Claire outside, in the kitchen, in front of the fire, in her room, on a balcony and in Bjorn's room before you even have a chance to let Bjorn join.

Ophilia and Rick is also not NTR, you get Ophilia drunk, you choose who pays for the drink, if the MC does, then Rick's opportunity in the scene is over. If Rick pays, you choose if he helps bring her upstairs, upstairs you get to choose if Rick gets in on it. In order to even get to that point, the MC has had a whole bunch of sex in two different rooms, in numerous ways with Ophilia, drunk and sober.

You have to go way back to find any actual new NTR.

In all reality when you take all of the scenes possible, new and old, give each one the weight of one, which is unfair because NTR requires set up and small time window, you are looking at less than 5% NTR scenes.

You are trying way to hard to be upset at imagined dragons.

I am talking about NTR-Sharing. I've always said NTR-Sharing. Not just NTR. So your reply is disingenuous. If you share the woman with another man it has no difference with NTR with me and possibly not just me but overwhelming majority of the harem/vanilla fans. That's why I am pretty sure you don't see those Sharing scenes when you turn NTR off. Again remember I've said NTR-Sharing. Not just NTR. So when I look at the latest 20 updates or something, it's not 20% NTR-Sharing and 80% Vanilla-Harem. It's not 'NTR-sharing is just couple bonus scenes'. It's mostly NTR-Sharing or at best 50-50 with harem-vanilla. That's why it's a broken promise from the developer. At least if we talk about recent updates. Just go an look at yourself in the changelogs. Look at the recent updates and tell me it's 20% NTR-Sharing and 80% Vanilla-Harem. It doesn't look like it

 

[Apartment817]

I am talking about NTR-Sharing. Not just NTR. So this wall of text is pointless. If you share the woman with another man it has no difference with NTR with me and possibly not just me but overwhelming majority of the harem/vanilla fans. Remember NTR-Sharing. Not just NTR. So when I look at the latest 20 updates or something, it's not 20% NTR-Sharing and 80% Vanilla-Harem. It's not 'NTR-sharing is just couple bonus scenes'. It's mostly NTR-Sharing or at best 50-50 with harem-vanilla. That's why it's a broken promise from the developer. At least if we talk about recent updates. Just go an look at yourself in the changelogs. Look at the updates and tell me it's 20% NTR-Sharing and 80% Vanilla-Harem. lol

Why are you trying so hard to be injured?

First, the developer never made a "promise" to you in the first place.

Second, 90% of the new scenes are not NTRsharing. You are just plain being hyperbolic about that made up fantasy of yours, the changelog does not come even close to reflecting what you are crying about.

The couple that are, are not canonically NTR-Sharing. They are choose your own adventure. You can choose to get the new vanilla scene, or you can choose to get a third person in that exact same scene.

It is very childish of you to whine about the time spent by the developer to make a scene that can either be vanilla or a threesome, if you remove the threesome aspect, you don't get a second vanilla scene in that time development time. You weren't robbed of anything, let alone did the developer break his pinky swear not to hurt your fragile sensibilities.

 

[anonym0u5]

Yeah, that's what happens when a release is leaked before I even have time to fix it.
I've been working until late into the night and I knew it wouldn't be without bugs.
I mean seriously... At least have the decency to wait with the leak until it's fixed.

Hey chyos, will we be able to steal the key to ophelia's room at some point? Or make a dupe of it?

This is for the non ntr players that don't wanna sellout Kate to Thomas for that free room, of course.

 

[preskerd]

Why are you trying so hard to be injured?

First, the developer never made a "promise" to you in the first place.

Second, 90% of the new scenes are not NTRsharing. You are just plain being hyperbolic about that made up fantasy of yours, the changelog does not come even close to reflecting what you are crying about.

The couple that are, are not canonically NTR-Sharing. They are choose your own adventure. You can choose to get the new vanilla scene, or you can choose to get a third person in that exact same scene.

It is very childish of you to whine about the time spent by the developer to make a scene that can either be vanilla or a threesome, if you remove the threesome aspect, you don't get a second vanilla scene in that time development time. You weren't robbed of anything, let alone did the developer break his pinky swear not to hurt your fragile sensibilities.

I mean you are kinda lying dude. For example look at the v0.5.7.8 and v0.5.8.0 update:

Continued content for the sharing route for Claire & Bjorn (4 animations) in v0.5.7.8

Continued content for the sharing route for Claire & Bjorn (4 animations) v0.5.8.0

So what are the new vanilla-harem scenes in that updates in counter those ntr-sharing scenes? Also this Bjorn fella has another scene with the Girl Carmen just before this exact updates

 

[Apartment817]

I mean you are kinda lying dude. For example look at the v0.5.7.8 and v0.5.8.0 update:

Continued content for the sharing route for Claire & Bjorn (4 animations) in v0.5.7.8

Continued content for the sharing route for Claire & Bjorn (4 animations) v0.5.8.0

So what are the new vanilla-harem scenes in that updates in counter those ntr-sharing scenes? Also this Bjorn fella has another scene with the Girl Carmen just before this exact updates

You went out of your way to prove how wrong you are. First you went back like 7 or 8 updates to even find what you claim is happening in every update. Further those updates also included: (really they started in v05.7.5 and you can see Chyos talking about how those minor updates happened 7 days apart from each other.)

You get a new sex scene with Kate on your way to the Old Boar. She rides you in the caravan with Claire watching.

At the old boar you get a new character Carmen, you have your choice of three rooms with her, a hj, bj, you give oral and couple of other sex scenes with her. So five or six vanilla scenes, strictly vanilla. (except you are making her cheat on Bjorn, so you are probably crying about that.)

You get a scene where Kate wakes you up in bed with a BJ.

You get a threeway with Kate and Claire in their bedroom.

You get to finger Claire's vag or ass on the balcony, you can then later fuck her in either hole (ass takes another few steps). You can chose to put Bjorn in position to see it or not. When you wake up in the morning, which is before Claire, you can go downstairs and talk to Carmen, which sends Bjorn upstairs. Then at 9 am you play with Claire on the balcony. If you made Bjorn go upstairs he watches, if you don't chose to make him go upstairs, he doesn't watch.

You can stop fingering her, and move the sex to your room, not NTR involved.

Or you can do a chain events that allows you to bring that new sex scene to Bjorn's room. From there you can do steps to allow Bjorn to first watch, then later join in. It's the same scene that can happen in your bedroom, but now it just happens in Bjorn's room with Bjorn getting a BJ will you are behind her.

So of the animation frames, that update has like 4 frames that have NTR sharing in it, and you can get those exact same frames (which are new to Vanilla players) that are just the MC.

You really shouldn't project your nightmares onto a changelog, because the reality is that the changelog does not reflect your fears.

 

[preskerd]

You went out of your way to prove how wrong you are. First you went back like 7 or 8 updates to even find what you claim is happening in every update. Further those updates also included: (really they started in v05.7.5 and you can see Chyos talking about how those minor updates happened 7 days apart from each other.)

You get a new sex scene with Kate on your way to the Old Boar. She rides you in the caravan with Claire watching.

At the old boar you get a new character Carmen, you have your choice of three rooms with her, a hj, bj, you give oral and couple of other sex scenes with her. So five or six vanilla scenes, strictly vanilla. (except you are making her cheat on Bjorn, so you are probably crying about that.)

You get a scene where Kate wakes you up in bed with a BJ.

You get a threeway with Kate and Claire in their bedroom.

You get to finger Claire's vag or ass on the balcony, you can then later fuck her in either hole (ass takes another few steps). You can chose to put Bjorn in position to see it or not. When you wake up in the morning, which is before Claire, you can go downstairs and talk to Carmen, which sends Bjorn upstairs. Then at 9 am you play with Claire on the balcony. If you made Bjorn go upstairs he watches, if you don't chose to make him go upstairs, he doesn't watch.

You can stop fingering her, and move the sex to your room, not NTR involved.

Or you can do a chain events that allows you to bring that new sex scene to Bjorn's room. From there you can do steps to allow Bjorn to first watch, then later join in. It's the same scene that can happen in your bedroom, but now it just happens in Bjorn's room with Bjorn getting a BJ will you are behind her.

So of the animation frames, that update has like 4 frames that have NTR sharing in it, and you can get those exact same frames (which are new to Vanilla players) that are just the MC.

You really shouldn't project your nightmares onto a changelog, because the reality is that the changelog does not reflect your fears.

Firstly I love Netori so I certainly wouldn't cry about it lol. Secondly all this happened in the specific 2 update I wrote there? If so why it's not in the changelogs? Anyways if this is true and that exact two update had way more new vanilla-harem content than sharing-ntr content yeah I concede. It seems I wrongly read the situation from the changelogs

 

[Apartment817]

Hey chyos, will we be able to steal the key to ophelia's room at some point? Or make a dupe of it?

This is for the non ntr players that don't wanna sellout Kate to Thomas for that free room, of course.

You never get a key to Ophilia's room. You either go up there with her when she passes out from drinking, or you lock pick into it after her affection is raised high enough.

You don't have to sell out Kate to keep the key to your own room. Just do not use it, except for advancing Kate's relationship. You can't advance Kate's relationship with bringing her to your own room, so you just pay for those nights. I usually keep the key on me for a year or so ingame, and only ever pay Thomas for a dozen nights.

Once you advance Kate's story enough to where Ophilia moves into "your" room, most of your interactions happen in the day when you don't need a key to be up there.

So, I don't see Chyos programming in the ability to steal a key.

By mid game that small amount of money is just pennies anyway.

 

[Apartment817]

Firstly I love Netori so I certainly wouldn't cry about it lol. Secondly all this happened in the specific 2 update I wrote there? If so why it's not in the changelogs? Anyways if this is true and that exact two update had way more vanilla-harem content than sharing-ntr content yeah I concede. It seems I wrongly read the situation from the changelogs

I don't know how it played out in the programming, like maybe the vanilla part was v0.5.7.0 or v0.5.7.5 and then the NTR part of that scene came in at v.05.7.8.

After you have the threeway with Bjorn and Claire, Claire asks you (Really it's Chyos asking the player) if she can get with Bjorn without the MC, or just the threeway with the MC. (I think there is also a "never again" option.)

My guess is that the second new scenes with Bjorn listed in v05.8.0 is just the ability to see the MC watch just Claire and Bjorn.

I have only told her "just when I am around", so I can't comment on how different the scene is as a voyeur but my guess is that it is basically the same.

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All I know is that right around the same time that Bjorn and Claire scene came online, a whole bunch of new Vanilla scenes also entered the game.

 

[Apartment817]

Need help with Ophelia, it says "Ophelia is on a mission for her father. Maybe you will hear news about it in the tavern in a few days."

But more than 5 days have already gone by so...help?

So you know how the schedule is Grant is there for two (maybe 3?) days, then nobody is there for two days, then Ophelia is there for two (maybe 3?), then nobody for two days, then repeat?


I am not sure of where the exact timing is, but she has not show up at her particular time. I might be getting specifics wrong here, but like if you start the quest item on a day that she arrives, you have to wait the time she would have been in town, the days until Grant arrives, then the time Grant is there, then the time no one is scheduled, before it is triggered.

5 Days isn't uncommon for me, just every evening (6pm to midnight) walk into the tavern, then back out the front. With in the next three to four evenings she will show up. It is a part that it is hard for walkthroughs to communicate.

 

[Jjgh]

hey anyone know where fir tree

 

[Apartment817]

hey anyone know where fir tree

I think it can spawn anywhere that trees that you can cut down spawn. I got the one for my house near Corven a couple of real weeks ago, in order to get a second one I had to talk to Yasmin about Winterhowl a second time, she asked if I had found a fir tree, I said no. Then I said maybe tomorrow. The next day it spawned into the Darkwood, just above where Tia cuts logs.

 

[X47 Games]

hey anyone know where fir tree

in forsest ....not the big tree,its a small one if you cant spawn it visit yesmin and talk about winterhowl event....this worked for me..

 

[blackleather]

Dunno if this is a good place to bug report but it seems alignment changes are backwards. Start of game when giving Kate back her ring moved alignment from 50 to 49 while message says +1.

Breaking into the cellar gave a -1 but increased alignment from 49 to 50.

Unsure if this is a known bug, but I figured I'd report it in case

 

[TinFoilHat19]

Yeah, that's what happens when a release is leaked before I even have time to fix it.
I've been working until late into the night and I knew it wouldn't be without bugs.
I mean seriously... At least have the decency to wait with the leak until it's fixed.

Will you make an Android version?

 

[Apartment817]

Dunno if this is a good place to bug report but it seems alignment changes are backwards. Start of game when giving Kate back her ring moved alignment from 50 to 49 while message says +1.

Breaking into the cellar gave a -1 but increased alignment from 49 to 50.

Unsure if this is a known bug, but I figured I'd report it in case

No that's right way. Think of 0 being pure, and my saves current 148 being completely corrupted.

Your giving the ring back was a positive action making you one point more pure, your breaking into the cellar was corrupt, so it was a negative act that made you more corrupt.

Other than then role playing aspect, there is no advantage to staying pure, currently there is nothing that closes out if you become too corrupted. There are several things you can't do until you become more corrupted.

 

[packor]

I read the sticky in the OP and dev says the focus is always be vanilla route. He says NTR is just a bonus content. Updates will always be about vanilla first. But when I read the latest changelogs; majority of the stuff I see is ntr/sharing. Did the developer break his promise? Did this game become ntr/sharing heavy or at least 50/50 between ntr-sharing and vanilla? If so those sticky in the developer note should be deleted. It's missleading

ignoring all the other arguments... how does this even make sense? Do you expect all updates to have 75+% "vanilla" content, and then he's just going to throw in some NTR in the corner there? I don't even understand how that would work. Why would someone not code the Entire section of a game, but subdivide it between "okay, let's put this vanilla here", oh I am only going to do half of this "NTR" because "I promised"!

 

[blackleather]

No that's right way. Think of 0 being pure, and my saves current 148 being completely corrupted.

Ahh ok, not the most intuitive way to do it, or I may have just missed the explanation in the tutorial.

Thank you.