RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

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Gemingmy

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Apartment817 said:
There is part of your issue reguarding Arianna. Read Claire's walkthrough for the Thomas question. Following that quest will lead to more Arianna.
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right thank you. but now what is needed is sewing skill 20. to make marcus' robe. where to get that skill when in talents are all level 20 is there a sewing skill that must be obtained and how to get it?
 
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Gemingmy said:
right thank you. but now what is needed is sewing skill 20. to make marcus' robe. where to get that skill when in talents are all level 20 is there a sewing skill that must be obtained and how to get it?
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Sewing skill is separate from talents, you develop it by practicing. Craft other armor.
 
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flaweddd

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Can someone help me? No matter how many orders i fail in the bar minigame with Kate she seemingly always has enough money to give to Thomas at the end of the night. So i can't get Thomas to stop blackmailing her and then being able to make the relationship official. So I can't continue with her route.

I've completed a lot of the other content before already so maybe that messes something up? Also I can't return the room key anymore? No idea if that matters.
 
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flaweddd said:
Can someone help me? No matter how many orders i fail in the bar minigame with Kate she seemingly always has enough money to give to Thomas at the end of the night. So i can't get Thomas to stop blackmailing her and then being able to make the relationship official. So I can't continue with her route.

I've completed a lot of the other content before already so maybe that messes something up? Also I can't return the room key anymore? No idea if that matters.
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There's an hidden value that keeps track of how much kate money has, so yes having successfully completed the bar mini game would have increased her stash.
As for the key, never had it happen. Would need more details or your save for more info.
 
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Chii said:
There's an hidden value that keeps track of how much kate money has, so yes having successfully completed the bar mini game would have increased her stash.
As for the key, never had it happen. Would need more details or your save for more info.
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I guess that makes sense, i'll try repeatedly failing it . And yea I can give more info about that if i'm still stuck after that, don't think that really affects anything.
 
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Chii said:
There's an hidden value that keeps track of how much kate money has, so yes having successfully completed the bar mini game would have increased her stash.
As for the key, never had it happen. Would need more details or your save for more info.
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Yea that was indeed the problem, seems like i made her stack up quite a bit of gold by just randomly doing it over time.
 
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Oh and the thing with the key is because i went too far with the NTR route i guess? Cause the MC mentioned that he can stay for free because he allowed thomas to continue with kate. Weird that it still highlights the key spot.

Is there a way to continue the path or am i just locked out of a bunch of shit because I mindlessly continued this? My last save without it is like 20 hours ago
 
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flaweddd said:
Can someone help me? No matter how many orders i fail in the bar minigame with Kate she seemingly always has enough money to give to Thomas at the end of the night. So i can't get Thomas to stop blackmailing her and then being able to make the relationship official. So I can't continue with her route.

I've completed a lot of the other content before already so maybe that messes something up? Also I can't return the room key anymore? No idea if that matters.
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Personally, I've never had to fail the bar mini-game even once in order to permanently stop Thomas's blackmailing and to progress Kate's story.

I know that at some point in the game, Thomas will approach the MC with an offer - If the MC allows Thomas to continue his abuse of Kate, then the MC can permanently stay in the inn for free.

So considering that in addition to not being able to permanently stop Thomas' blackmailing, you also can not return the inn room key to Thomas, you mostly likely chose at some point to make that deal with Thomas.

Don't know if there's any way to reverse this since I've never chosen this route, personally.

To progress the NTR route, maybe try failing A LOT of bar mini-games in a row (like 50 or more).

In addition, try stealing from Thomas's chest every week.
The MC always notes how stealing from Thomas could get Kate into trouble.
 
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I’m still amazed by the level of work put into this and how non-linear the game has become. Before, I only had a couple of moments that raised minor questions, but now I’m so shocked that I don’t even know what to do or which story paths are better.
For example, here’s what’s been tormenting me—why I can’t bring myself to complete these quests:

  1. The final branch with Tia, her father, and the orcs:
    a) Send the mother.
    b) Send Tia.
    But no matter who we send, we still have to decide their fate afterward. We can keep failing, and the characters stay with the orcs—or we can win, but then:
    a) Kill the chieftain’s right-hand man.
    b) Enchant him.
    c) Form an alliance by giving him Tia.
    d) If we captured that orc near the village (brainwashed him), he might show up and become the new chieftain.
    And here’s the thing—I have no idea where any of this leads, so I’m afraid to finish this quest.
  2. Same with the orc chieftain’s daughter: We can "humanize" her or leave her as is. Maybe if we leave her, the chieftain will like us more? Or maybe her mother will treat us better if we change her? Again, the quest is unfinished, so in my new playthrough, I didn’t even bother capturing her.
  3. The Bandit Camp has changed a lot:
    a) Added dances.
    b) A mercenary who sends soldiers (and might even hook up with Tia!).
    c) If you send Liandra to the camp instead of the Baron, she’ll join the dances—even performing with Lyvia (and possibly appearing in later soldier scenes).
    So now I don’t know what to do with Liandra—who to give her to. Because if you hand her to the Baron, after saving his wife from the Ravens, there are also scenes there.
  4. Speaking of the Ravens: Should we capture or release them? Maybe there are future scenes planned with his lieutenant. Plus, if you don’t save the Baron’s wife in time, he’ll need a new one (I bet it’ll be Emily, one of his daughters, or even Liandra herself).
  5. The whole Anya storyline is also unclear—she’s tied to conspirators, so I always skip her.
  6. Gwen and Sabrina: Betray them or not?
  7. What happens to Sophie if she overhears the conversation or runs away?
  8. Ophilia’s story isn’t finished yet.
  9. Desan (if spared) settles near the orc tribe—will he get more development? (Will he seek revenge?)
  10. a) The ENTIRE questline in the cathedral with the nuns, the succubus, and the demons—no clue what the best choice is or where it leads.
    b) Same with the cult under the INN.
  11. What to do with Penny’s sister?
This is a testament to the game’s insane replayability. A massive amount of work has gone into this (and it’s clearly far from finished). Before, I thought you could miss a scene due to a choice (RED-GREEN), but now you might skip an entire storyline. This is one hell of a product. Can’t wait for the release—and I’ll be thrilled if it makes it to Steam, too.
 
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TheGrandMasterCory said:
Personally, I've never had to fail the bar mini-game even once in order to permanently stop Thomas's blackmailing and to progress Kate's story.

I know that at some point in the game, Thomas will approach the MC with an offer - If the MC allows Thomas to continue his abuse of Kate, then the MC can permanently stay in the inn for free.

So considering that in addition to not being able to permanently stop Thomas' blackmailing, you also can not return the inn room key to Thomas, you mostly likely chose at some point to make that deal with Thomas.

Don't know if there's any way to reverse this since I've never chosen this route, personally.

To progress the NTR route, maybe try failing A LOT of bar mini-games in a row (like 50 or more).

In addition, try stealing from Thomas's chest every week.
The MC always notes how stealing from Thomas could get Kate into trouble.
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Yeah failing it a lot did the trick, i did also steal a bunch from his chest but that didn't seem to do anything? Maybe some additional dialogue at times?

You're right i did make that deal with Thomas at some point, didn't remember it and I probably clicked through the dialogue a bit too fast to realise what exactly the deal was lol( i know that's on me since I mainly have NTR on for sharing not for pure cuck stuff, which this turns into).

However to me it's weird that it seems to completely lock me out of a lot of additional content. It doesn't just alter the rest of the content it just straight up doesn't allow me to progress. No new server outfit, her friends don't show up, etc. That's why I think it's a bug or at least an oversight? Especially since the walkthrough shows no warnings of this locking you out, or heavily altering stuff.

Which of course is easy to miss if you have this many different branches. It just sucks i only realise hours later because i did other storylines before that.
 
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flaweddd said:
However to me it's weird that it seems to completely lock me out of a lot of additional content. It doesn't just alter the rest of the content it just straight up doesn't allow me to progress. No new server outfit, her friends don't show up, etc. That's why I think it's a bug or at least an oversight? Especially since the walkthrough shows no warnings of this locking you out, or heavily altering stuff.

Which of course is easy to miss if you have this many different branches. It just sucks i only realise hours later because i did other storylines before that.
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For her friends to show up you need to make your relationship official and for the new dress you need her friends to show up.
I guess I can see how you'd find it weird to be "locked out" until you progress certain scenarios, but these quests do need these kind of flags in order to advance within their own quests trees.
(For example you'll need to have Ophilia working in the tavern in order to travel to the old boar later on).
 
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Pa3uk said:
  1. The final branch with Tia, her father, and the orcs:
    a) Send the mother.
    b) Send Tia.
    But no matter who we send, we still have to decide their fate afterward. We can keep failing, and the characters stay with the orcs—or we can win, but then:
    a) Kill the chieftain’s right-hand man.
    b) Enchant him.
    c) Form an alliance by giving him Tia.
    d) If we captured that orc near the village (brainwashed him), he might show up and become the new chieftain.
    And here’s the thing—I have no idea where any of this leads, so I’m afraid to finish this quest.
  2. Same with the orc chieftain’s daughter: We can "humanize" her or leave her as is. Maybe if we leave her, the chieftain will like us more? Or maybe her mother will treat us better if we change her? Again, the quest is unfinished, so in my new playthrough, I didn’t even bother capturing her.
  3. The Bandit Camp has changed a lot:
    a) Added dances.
    b) A mercenary who sends soldiers (and might even hook up with Tia!).
    c) If you send Liandra to the camp instead of the Baron, she’ll join the dances—even performing with Lyvia (and possibly appearing in later soldier scenes).
    So now I don’t know what to do with Liandra—who to give her to. Because if you hand her to the Baron, after saving his wife from the Ravens, there are also scenes there.
  4. Speaking of the Ravens: Should we capture or release them? Maybe there are future scenes planned with his lieutenant. Plus, if you don’t save the Baron’s wife in time, he’ll need a new one (I bet it’ll be Emily, one of his daughters, or even Liandra herself).
  5. The whole Anya storyline is also unclear—she’s tied to conspirators, so I always skip her.
  6. Gwen and Sabrina: Betray them or not?
  7. What happens to Sophie if she overhears the conversation or runs away?
  8. Ophilia’s story isn’t finished yet.
  9. Desan (if spared) settles near the orc tribe—will he get more development? (Will he seek revenge?)
  10. a) The ENTIRE questline in the cathedral with the nuns, the succubus, and the demons—no clue what the best choice is or where it leads.
    b) Same with the cult under the INN.
  11. What to do with Penny’s sister?
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Based on my own experience, discussions here and hints from the "summaries" listed on poll choices I can take a swing at some of these questions.
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