RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[Evangelion-01]

I don't know in advance what (normal) people are interested in, but I do know I would normally fall into the "No NTR" camp. Still, I am interested in the middle way as a better game. Whether one is into NTR or not should be beside the point. I think it is more likely that people who are pure sticklers for one or the other are the ones in the minority, while most would be open to the middle way. The pure sticklers are still accommodated as I said above, so doing the middle way shouldn't get in the way of having patron support. In fact, I am of the mind it could increase the support by making for a more interesting game.

I don't think the triggers for NTR route should have to be based on time limits or outcomes of certain combat events, necessarily. Those are a couple of ways to trigger for punishment, but my guess is that there are many different ways that could be implemented. It's a matter of thinking about the possible ways that a quest can be failed.

I don't know what you mean by not adding anything to the game other than giving the game a certain flavor. This sounds like you just want to downplay the idea. Really, it's a mechanic, adding an edge to the game not normally found in rpg's, to replace the "game over" idea typically found in classic rpg's. It's really a pretty cool idea, imho, and would make this game unique if executed according to the design.

What I try to say is that most people have proven by their vote to be more interested in either furthering the main story, include new abilities (magic and crafting noteably) or just to see more content for their favorite Character.
currently this discussion seems to fall apart by the fact that 3 different opinions are discussed at the same time.
Personally I am happiest with the way the game is currently developed... we get new content, either in the frm of smut or game mechanics, I don't mind a middle path as discussed but I can't see it getting much support under the premise that game development would signficantly slow down in order to implement such a "route" with backward compatibility as discussed for Frisha or Kate for example.
And given that Chyos already struggles each month to completly include stories and content for the NTR/No NTR routes doing overtime rather regulary by now I can't think he can open up more time to include a 3rd route into future Updates without reduceing the overall content of these Updates or take more time in order to release those.
I think this third route is more of a flavor Update as it doesn't really add anything to the game story or mechanic wise, it just picks an underdeveloped part of the game up and brings it up to date.

 

[RaynHill]

I understand when people suggest developer about the technicalities of the game, like this combat doesn't look good or this boss is way too difficulty etc. but suggesting the actual story of the game, come on man that's entirely upon developer. The developer made the game from scratch, he must have already have ideas about how the things will go in the game, most probably how the game will end, if you guys keep on forcing him to add this and add that, he will lose his creative control entirely. Also about adding more NTR, this game is not dark hero party where mc is a complete pussy, the mc in this game is alpha male, after that witch magic and if he likes to share his girl, it will be his decision not hers, but of course to certain extent.

 

[Pervy Sensei]

What I try to say is that most people have proven by their vote to be more interested in either furthering the main story, include new abilities (magic and crafting noteably) or just to see more content for their favorite Character.
currently this discussion seems to fall apart by the fact that 3 different opinions are discussed at the same time.
Personally I am happiest with the way the game is currently developed... we get new content, either in the frm of smut or game mechanics, I don't mind a middle path as discussed but I can't see it getting much support under the premise that game development would signficantly slow down in order to implement such a "route" with backward compatibility as discussed for Frisha or Kate for example.
And given that Chyos already struggles each month to completly include stories and content for the NTR/No NTR routes doing overtime rather regulary by now I can't think he can open up more time to include a 3rd route into future Updates without reduceing the overall content of these Updates or take more time in order to release those.
I think this third route is more of a flavor Update as it doesn't really add anything to the game story or mechanic wise, it just picks an underdeveloped part of the game up and brings it up to date.

The relevant opinion that BlackKnight and I share is that the NTR should live up to the game design. In particulars, we diverge, but the general thought is the same.

I am not advocating going back and changing what has been done, unless that makes sense when a new option is voted in; sometimes Chyos makes changes like this anyway to better fit new content. Also, I don't think it is a matter of adding a third route in addition to the NTR/No NTR routes. Obviously Chyos is already working very hard, so I am not thinking of adding more work.

It is how the NTR routes are executed that should change. So this shouldn't be a lot of extra work, it should just be a different focus on how the NTR routes are incorporated in the game: As punishments for failure, not as options to be selected.

Again, calling it a matter of flavor is just expressing your desire to downplay it, as I have already expressed it is a mechanic change when we are talking about the requirement for ways to fail the quests. It is possibly also something which adds to the game story if done well.

I don't really think that Chyos will be changing how he is doing it, and I don't really expect to convince anyone, as I had this experience on the discord too. But I maintain my position and concur with BlackKnight about this deficiency in the game, despite its many pluses and that it is still my favorite game here.

I'll leave off at this point, but feel free to have the last word, no sarcasm intended.

 

[Trapezio]

Netorase is basically netorare, except that the MC is okay with it or even encourages it.

In the Real World you'd call it "cuckold fetishism".

Rephrasing myself, I wonder why you guys keep calling those fetishes and sexual fantasies NTR instead of swapping/cuckolding. I guess some people learnt everything they know about sex and sexuality by watching japanese cartoons only.

 

[zARRR]

In the Real World you'd call it "cuckold fetishism".

Rephrasing myself, I wonder why you guys keep calling those fetishes and sexual fantasies NTR instead of swapping/cuckolding. I guess some people learnt everything they know about sex and sexuality by watching japanese cartoons only.

True!
I saw many games made by occidental creators with the fricking Japanese words for everything ì, it kinda astonish me

 

[Evangelion-01]

In the Real World you'd call it "cuckold fetishism".

Rephrasing myself, I wonder why you guys keep calling those fetishes and sexual fantasies NTR instead of swapping/cuckolding. I guess some people learnt everything they know about sex and sexuality by watching japanese cartoons only.

Considering that H-Games means Hentai Games or Eroge should give you a hint... the first succesfull porn games that reached our borders originated from the Japanese industry and formed the market and it's terms.
NTR is an official term even though it's meaning is heavily deluted in this Forum as it's an accumulation of all terms that contain such fetishes with different approaches.
There have been western made translations but same as in most Industries the original terms are used as standard.

 

[Pervy Sensei]

In the Real World you'd call it "cuckold fetishism".

Rephrasing myself, I wonder why you guys keep calling those fetishes and sexual fantasies NTR instead of swapping/cuckolding. I guess some people learnt everything they know about sex and sexuality by watching japanese cartoons only.

I learned about these terms from this site, not from watching hentai.

My understanding is that swapping isn't the same as any of these ideas, while cuckolding, when I look it up, seems about as confusing, with different definitions being thrown around where sometimes it is the same as netorare, sometimes it is the same as netorase, though in the netorare sense it is specifically regarding a married person having an affair, so it's a specific subtype of netorare.

 

[Trapezio]

Considering that H-Games means Hentai Games or Eroge should give you a hint... the first succesfull porn games that reached our borders originated from the Japanese industry and formed the market and it's terms.
NTR is an official term even though it's meaning is heavily deluted in this Forum as it's an accumulation of all terms that contain such fetishes with different approaches.
There have been western made translations but same as in most Industries the original terms are used as standard.

I'll tell you a secret: if you read F95 threads about games that have REAL swapping/cuckolding/hotwifing content NO ONE calls it NTR. Everybody calls it swapping/cuckolding/hotwifing.

 

[Trapezio]

I learned about these terms from this site, not from watching hentai.

My understanding is that swapping isn't the same as any of these ideas, while cuckolding, when I look it up, seems about as confusing, with different definitions being thrown around where sometimes it is the same as netorare, sometimes it is the same as netorase, though in the netorare sense it is specifically regarding a married person having an affair, so it's a specific subtype of netorare.

It's NOT confusing at all. If people don't know a word's meaning, they just need to check Wikipedia or a dictionary.

 

[Pervy Sensei]

It's NOT confusing at all. If people don't know a word's meaning, they just need to check Wikipedia or a dictionary.

I did. That's where I find the confusion.

 

[Erectosaurus]

NO ONE calls it NTR

I do. I'm a weeb, and I use weeb terminology. Swapping/Consensual sharing is Netorase, Partner getting stolen against the protagonist's wishes is Netorare and when the protagonist does the stealing it's Netori. Simple as.

Most games I play are Japanese ones and they use those terms to describe the content of their games. Not sure why you're getting so worked up over it, especially since the Japanese eroge market utterly dwarfs the western one. But I feel like this entire thing has gone off topic long enough lmao

 

[TheBeJoJo]

ok I don't know what happens in this forum that there is so much discussion about the NTR despite being optional content, I see that some want it to be punishment content even though it is, most of the stories have it as punishment for a It fails, and for non-NTR lovers, I really respect your opinion, but it is true that thanks to NTR the game offers replayability, the dialogues vary depending on how the events unfold, I sincerely hope that there is no more discussion about this topic

 

[herugrim123]

At the end of the day, I am hoping that Chyos doesn't read all this stuff and thinks he needs to make heavy changes or something. We're playing this game because we like what he (Chyos) has done so far and we want to find out what else he has in store for us. Not because we want to him (or pay him to) make a game tailored to our custom needs, right?

I'm far more interested in when we get to visit the next villages/cities and to find out about the MC's background and what new mysteries might all still be in store for us with the gods that exist in the realm and such.

Having said that, what plot advancement are you looking forward to the most?

 

[Trapezio]

ok I don't know what happens in this forum that there is so much discussion about the NTR despite being optional content, I see that some want it to be punishment content even though it is, most of the stories have it as punishment for a It fails, and for non-NTR lovers, I really respect your opinion, but it is true that thanks to NTR the game offers replayability, the dialogues vary depending on how the events unfold, I sincerely hope that there is no more discussion about this topic

That's what I am asking for. Why so many folks around here are obsessed about it.

Almost every fucking damn F95 thread is infested by morons who keep talking about a thing which 99,99% isn't even in the game.

 

[Evangelion-01]

That's what I am asking for. Why so many folks around here are obsessed about it.

Almost every fucking damn F95 thread is infested by morons who keep talking about a thing which 99,99% isn't even in the game.

Mainly because there is a growing group that aggressivly advocate for that fetish being included into games and sometimes even demand to change the focus onto that fetish and on the otherhand a group of people that would instantly drop their most favorite game if it actually came to happen.
So consider it a war of opinions and fetishes while both sides try to apply to the rules as not kink shameing each other... so far this thread was able to keep relatively free from that as Chyos manages to deliver an equal ammount of content for both camps without favoring any

 

[Trapezio]

I will say that one of the things that makes this game better than 99,999999999999999999% of F95 games is that it is one of the very few games that has got male-male-female consensual threesomes content.

So, STOP bitching about it.

 

[Evangelion-01]

I will say that one of the things that makes this game better than 99,999999999999999999% of F95 games is that it is one of the very few games that has got male-male-female consensual threesomes content.

Add optionally to this sentence I am going to agree 100% instead of 99%

 

[Trapezio]

Mainly because there is a growing group that aggressivly advocate for that fetish being included into games and sometimes even demand to change the focus onto that fetish and on the otherhand a group of people that would instantly drop their most favorite game if it actually came to happen.
So consider it a war of opinions and fetishes while both sides try to apply to the rules as not kink shameing each other... so far this thread was able to keep relatively free from that as Chyos manages to deliver an equal ammount of content for both camps without favoring any

I'm here in F95 since... 2017 I guess and... honestly I think that the aggressive groups that advocate a fetish are the guys who keep pestering for incest & pregnancy everytime and everywhere. I've never heard of someone asking for cucking content in a thread where the dev didn't put cucking and/or sharing as the main game fetish since the beginning.

 

[albul]

I'm here in F95 since... 2017 I guess and... honestly I think that the aggressive groups that advocate a fetish are the guys who keep pestering for incest & pregnancy everytime and everywhere. I've never heard of someone asking for cucking content in a thread where the dev didn't put cucking and/or sharing as the main game fetish since the beginning.

You either have not looked close enough or it was confirmation bias. I've seen plenty of requests for cucking content in games that have nothing to do with it. It's true about the incest requests, but that's valid for pretty much every woman that appears in a game, people will ask for action with her, be it related or not (yes, even more so if they are related). And pregnancy, for many that's the natural goal for many people for relationships in general, but I didn't see anything excessive.

 

[Policanov]

The game is growing well, I really believe that Chyos has his own style, I don't understand why wanting to change something that has so many people interested in this game