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I'm just playing an extremely horny but good-hearted paladin who's clueless as to the effects of his jizz, I guess.
And yeah, I've conceded that I won't ever fuck the nun in this playthrough.
Lore wise, Lucien already told the MC what his spunk does, Lucien knowing that it does is the only reason he will pay for the MC semen, because he knows he can sell it. I skip most dialogue, so don't fault you from knowing that. But the MC absolutely knows the effects, it's canon.

Once you get to the point where Mira gives the MC head, and you will see his confusion on why it doesn't corrupt her. Which means the MC can since the corruption happening when it happens. Further with Arianna you will get to a point where she needs a potion to keep her lust at bay, the MC totally knows his semen fixes it. Either he has to give it to her directly, or get a potion from Lucien. Sorry to rain on your parade...

Also it's more than just Natasha. No MC corruption completely cuts off Umah as well, but you aren't missing much there, unless you have an Orc fetish.

It will affect Anya, she doesn't turn into a slut that will swallow until you raise her corruption a bit, only possible with cumwine at dinner. You can get her scenes without corrupting the MC and her, but the dialogue is less interesting.

But it is also Penny, you can't advance her to head without giving her cumwine (which you drink as well) three times. You can't get her away from Henry without corrupting her. That cuts you off from a lot of content.

If it helps any, remember the name of the game, think of part of the MC's struggle is knowing he choses to corrupt women.
 

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Lore wise, Lucien already told the MC what his spunk does, Lucien knowing that it does is the only reason he will pay for the MC semen, because he knows he can sell it. I skip most dialogue, so don't fault you from knowing that. But the MC absolutely knows the effects, it's canon.

Once you get to the point where Mira gives the MC head, and you will see his confusion on why it doesn't corrupt her. Which means the MC can since the corruption happening when it happens. Sorry to rain on your parade...

Also it's more than just Natasha. No MC corruption completely cuts off Umah as well, but you aren't missing much there, unless you have an Orc fetish.

It will affect Anya, she doesn't turn into a slut that will swallow until you raise her corruption a bit, only possible with cumwine at dinner. You can get her scenes without corrupting the MC and her, but the dialogue is less interesting.

But it is also Penny, you can't advance her to head without giving her cumwine (which you drink as well) three times. You can't get her away from Henry without corrupting her. That cuts you off from a lot of content.

If it helps any, remember the name of the came, think of part of the MC's struggle is knowing he choses to corrupt women.
I've gotten Umah, you can jizz in the vial of holy water with the masturbate skill.
I've corrupted Anya, she gives a blowie on the after-dinner sex on the love route.
I've corrupted Penny, she eventually gives a blowie during both midnight sex and the morning after. on the love route

The only ones where it seems Cumwine was needed was Kate, Julia and Yasmine. But that won't give the player corruption.

Lyvia seems to be the only one (and Umah on the date, but that doesn't seem to unlock any new scenes) where the player actively deceiving them with Cumwine is the only way to advance their corruption which also affects his own.
 

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Lore wise, Lucien already told the MC what his spunk does, Lucien knowing that it does is the only reason he will pay for the MC semen, because he knows he can sell it. I skip most dialogue, so don't fault you from knowing that. But the MC absolutely knows the effects, it's canon.

Once you get to the point where Mira gives the MC head, and you will see his confusion on why it doesn't corrupt her. Which means the MC can since the corruption happening when it happens. Further with Arianna you will get to a point where she needs a potion to keep her lust at bay, the MC totally knows his semen fixes it. Either he has to give it to her directly, or get a potion from Lucien. Sorry to rain on your parade...

Also it's more than just Natasha. No MC corruption completely cuts off Umah as well, but you aren't missing much there, unless you have an Orc fetish.

It will affect Anya, she doesn't turn into a slut that will swallow until you raise her corruption a bit, only possible with cumwine at dinner. You can get her scenes without corrupting the MC and her, but the dialogue is less interesting.

But it is also Penny, you can't advance her to head without giving her cumwine (which you drink as well) three times. You can't get her away from Henry without corrupting her. That cuts you off from a lot of content.

If it helps any, remember the name of the came, think of part of the MC's struggle is knowing he choses to corrupt women.

I feel like corruption is really overstated in this game. You can pretty much romance everyone everyone without corruption except Natasha. Even with Umah all you really need to do is talk to Gwen then cum in a vile and you don't really need to do any real corruption with her. At most the only "corruption" checks only really require you to corrupt them once through like a blow job or something and you don't need to bother doing anythnig else
 

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I feel like corruption is really overstated in this game. You can pretty much romance everyone everyone without corruption except Natasha. Even with Umah all you really need to do is talk to Gwen then cum in a vile and you don't really need to do any real corruption with her. At most the only "corruption" checks only really require you to corrupt them once through like a blow job or something and you don't need to bother doing anythnig else
Romance yes, but get all the scenes? Not even close. There are a dozen threesome pairings, pretty much every single one of them requires both LI's to be heavily corrupted.

But even in the one on one romances, I would much rather read "fill me up, cum inside me" then "don't cum inside", that is only possible with corruption. The whole dialogue is different with higher corruption.
 
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Penny giving the goods does not matter in the case of Lucius, when she gets the farm and is taxed by Dave it does matter but I digress. To ensure she does naughty stuff with Lucius she needs to have a high enough corruption I think and visited him a certain number of times. Oh right forgot, you need to train her anus for Lucius to really get to know her if you catch my drift. I think you need 15 corruption.
I don't play NTR, not opposed to it, I just spend my time on MC scenes verses time to unlock NTR. So I didn't even recognize that room at first (I have hundreds of hours in playthroughs). It took me a second to figure out that it was Lucius's bedroom behind his store. (I guess he lives on a raw food diet? ;-) )

Anyways, I scanned the walkthrough, guessing corruption is your issue. What is Penny's corruption at? My guess is you have to advance her questline more to be able to give her cumwine at dinner, and eventually head. Though you should be able to get her to C15 on dinner cumwine alone.
Anus has been trained - properly ;)... and her C is 23. Hmmm, can't figure it out.

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where the player actively deceiving them with Cumwine is the only way to advance their corruption which also affects his own.
I totally concede that there are ways, to corrupt the LI's we mentioned that we don't know about.

But to say "only one where the player actively deceives them" is just factually inaccurate. The fact that MC came into the vial means the MC knows the power of the semen, why else would he cum into a vial of holy water. But to say it again, Lucien directly tells him. Arianna dialogue will further prove this. Mira dialogue will further prove this.
 

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Romance yes, but get all the scenes? Not even close. There are a dozen threesome pairings, pretty much every single one of them requires both LI's to be heavily corrupted.

But even in the one on one romances, I would much rather read "fill me up, cum inside me" then "don't cum inside", that is only possible with corruption. The whole dialogue is different with higher corruption.
I never said anything about all the scenes, but honestly without corrupt you're really not missing much. For the most part corruption only unlocks maybe one or two scenes and it's usually nothing more than public or at least less private sex. If you want to play as a paladin who doesn't do corruption you're really not missing out on anything at all and the amount of corruption needed in this game is really overemphasized
 

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Anus has been trained - properly ;)... and her C is 23. Hmmm, can't figure it out.

Appreciate the responses
Weird, seems like that is beyond the criteria. Sorry we were unable to help. Just throwing ideas out there, is Henry kicked out? Does it make a difference if you enter the shop when Penny is inside vs. just walking up to the windows? Do both windows get a response?

In a few instances the walkthrough can be a little confusing regarding time, and number of occurrences. (like how it calls 12:00 am Tuesday night, instead of Monday night, Tuesday morning.)

In that regard, I totally don't understand what this means "After the first event his will happen every 2 days + monday."

If I were you I would just spend a couple of weeks checking on Penny every day, and finding her every day she isn't in the field. I wouldn't just trust the notification, I would make a point of looking. The notification that she is going to Lucien's to sell is present in the vanilla routes, so it may not be the same thing with non-vanilla ones.

Also, the one time I let Mira catch the MC fucking Heather it took a couple of weeks for Mira and Aidalin to start making out, and like over a month to start fucking, which is way longer than the walkthrough states.

I am not complaining about the walkthrough, I am thankful someone is doing it, having to update it every couple of months is a chore, especially since updates effect more scenes than are obvious. BUT, I whenever the walkthrough says you need 3, it's pretty common to actually need 5 or 6. That is true in repetition of events, and needed stats.
 

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I never said anything about all the scenes, but honestly without corrupt you're really not missing much. For the most part corruption only unlocks maybe one or two scenes and it's usually nothing more than public or at least less private sex. If you want to play as a paladin who doesn't do corruption you're really not missing out on anything at all and the amount of corruption needed in this game is really overemphasized
There is a difference between low MC corruption and low corruption among the LI's.

The former just cuts you from a few scenes, but is also a misnomer since the MC completely knows the power of his cum. The Paladin angle just doesn't exist. It's like saying the MC doesn't know that orc's die when he sticks his dagger in them, he knows the effect of his actions. What is the argument on why Lucien will buy the MC's cum, if the MC doesn't know what his cum does? Which makes the MC knowingly use his cum, including through getting oral, not "honorable".

But LI's without corruption? You are missing like half of the scenes. Sure you can play that "honorable" way, but to truly be honorable with how the MC uses his cum, you are missing half the game.

First you are only getting anal from Penny and Mira. (Not to mention that stealing a book from Giron, and sneaking it into Mira's lectern is corrupt, not Paladin behavior).

So no anal from Hiba,Tia, Frisha, Emily, Claire, Kate, Katharine, Lyvia, and Arianna (I likely forgot some.)

Without corruption you are missing out on threesomes. Mira and Emily in Mira's room. Emily and Frisha in Frisha's room. Emily and Frisha in Emily's room. The better hot tub scene with all three.

No Katherine and Tia threesome. Four or five Tia involved group activities in Rumah. Katherine and Lyvia morning threesome. Fucking Tia while Katherine and Lyvia scissor at noon. Tia and Lyvia threesome. Tia and Imawyn Threesome.

No kitchen sex with Emily, no pregnant sex with Emily in the kitchen. (the spraying milk animation makes it two different scenes imo).

No Kate and Arianna, No Rick and Pia.

No Claire and Verena, Claire and Kate, Claire and Bjorn.

No Bianca and Gavina. No Sabrina and Isha.

No Natasha. No fucking Penny at church.

No Yasmine at all. No Yasmine while Giron sleeps. No Yasmine and Julia threesome. No Helena and Yasmine threesome.

Technically you have to corrupt Liandra to even have a party with her at camp, so no Liandra. A Paladin wouldn't sneak into a library to steal erotica to give to a LI so he can seduce her.

I could go on, and on, but I have already mentioned 40 scenes that can only happen with corruption, which doesn't even include the sluttier outfits and dialogue.
 
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But LI's without corruption? You are missing like half of the scenes.

No you're not. You're missing like two or three threesome scenes and like 3 public sex scenes. Stop over epheziing thing. I've done both total corruption and non corruption. Barely anything changes outside of the love interest personalities changing. Even your examples high high light exactly what I'm talking about


No Kate and Arianna, No Rick and Pia.

So basically you miss only a single threesome scene and an ntr scene. Not really much is lost there



No Claire and Verena, Claire and Kate, Claire and Bjorn.


Same here. You miss a threesome, sex outside the fireplace with claire and an ntr scene. In all your examples if you don't corrupt the li you only miss at most one or two scenes with that specific love interest. Most of there scenes are unlocked without corruption and for the most part corruption doesn't do anything except in regards to public sex and ntr which is why you get that one kitchen scene with Emily I mentioned.


But most of these characters have so many other scenes that nothing is lost. To say that half the game is lost without corruption is just a lie. That's only true if you're doing an ntr run since most love interests wont do any ntr without being corrupted.
No Yasmine at all.

What? Who told you that? I've done Yasmine multiple times without corrupting her. All you miss without corrupting her is having sex with her in that piano room and an ntr scene. Are you sure you're not confusing her with Liandra, who by the way the mc doesn't even need to corrupt with his cum but only corrupts by giving her an erotic book once.


Honestly it sounds like you haven't even tried to play the game without corruption so you just assumed you needed ntr to do a lot of things you mentioned. Unless you're doing ntr hardly anything is lost at all.
The Paladin angle just doesn't exist.

How does it not exist like honestly? You don't have to sell cumwine and aside from that the only way to corrupt people is through blowjobs which not only again do you not have to do, but by every by the time they start giving blowjobs they're super into the mc anyway even without corruption so corruption doesn't really do anymore at that point. It's completely different from the corruption routes where the only reason why they are interested in the mc is because they're corrupted.



Come on you know she doesn't count. She doesn't even really get corrupted it. She gets stronger when she has sex with the mc but corruption does not effect her or influence her in any way which is what we're talking about here. And it doesn't unlock any scenes because everytime you have sex with her it adds to her corruption counter which is different from everyone else
 
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No you're not. You're missing like two or three threesome scenes and like 3 public sex scenes. Stop over epheziing thing. I've done both total corruption and non corruption. Barely anything changes outside of the love interest personalities changing. Even your examples high high light exactly what I'm talking about
I mentioned 40 unique scenes. You said "Nuh-uh" to seven of them, of which you where debatably wrong with all seven, but even that concedes 33 scenes.

(Just in writing this response, I remembered another half dozen scenes that require corruption, not included in the above 40.)

So basically you miss only a single threesome scene and an ntr scene. Not really much is lost there
The scene with Kate and Arianna is pretty good, I find it weird that folks find FFM as not NTR, but MMF are NTR. I think that is pretty insecure way of viewing ones own masculine sexuality.


Same here. You miss a threesome, sex outside the fireplace with claire and an ntr scene. In all your examples if you don't corrupt the li you only miss at most one or two scenes with that specific love interest. Most of there scenes are unlocked without corruption and for the most part corruption doesn't do anything except in regards to public sex and ntr which is why you get that one kitchen scene with Emily I mentioned.
How in the heck you can you mention FOUR scenes missed with Claire in the same breath as you say "at most one or two scenes"????? Once again that's Claire Anal, Claire Verena, Claire Kate and Claire Bjorn. BUT IN REALITY, Clair and Kate in the bedroom is different then Claire and Kate in the kitchen, which is different then Claire and Kate at the Old Boar.

Not to mention the above missing scenes for Kate, for just Kate you miss anal during the day downstairs, Kate and Arianna. So another LI where you miss the large majority of her content without corruption.

Tia is another one where you miss out a whole hell of a lot of scenes. No oral from masturbation. No sex in Arenfield. No Anal (you need to corrupt Hiba to open), No Tia and Raaisha, No Tia and Nyra, No Tia and Lyvia, Not Tia and Katharine, No Tia at lunch at home. I am likely forgetting some, but that is eight scenes with Tia alone.

But most of these characters have so many other scenes that nothing is lost. To say that half the game is lost without corruption is just a lie. That's only true if you're doing an ntr run since most love interests wont do any ntr without being corrupted.
Most LI's only have one scene, a scene that starts at oral and advances to penetration to changing positions. So cutting out one scene is half from that LI, and often no corruption cuts off 2 scenes from the LI, meaning you are cutting out 2/3rds of that LI's scenes.

PROVE ME WRONG, show me how most of the LI's have multiple scenes without corruption. You will likely mention a handful of LI's that I am not thinking of having multiple scenes, but for the most part, one vanilla scene per LI.

You saying one scene per LI lost, is you admitting to losing half the content.

What? Who told you that? I've done Yasmine multiple times without corrupting her. All you miss without corrupting her is having sex with her in that piano room and an ntr scene.
I completely concede you are right about sex at 10pm. I was wrong about that. I thought you had to corrupt her. I was wrong. But even you are admitting that you are missing out on 3/4ths of her content with out corruption. No sex downstairs, no Julia and Yasmine, no Yasmine and Helena. And I would argue Yasmin's best scenes are fucking her after Giron goes to bed, in his bed.


Are you sure you're not confusing her with Liandra, who by the way the mc doesn't even need to corrupt with his cum but only corrupts by giving her an erotic book once.
No I specifically mentioned how the MC corrupts Liandra. But I may have edited that in after you started responding. But I would argue that breaking into Giron's library to steal erotic fiction and sneaking it to Mira, and giving it to Liandra, just so that he can groom them (DON'T KID YOURSELF, THAT ACT IS GROOMING) is way more dishonorable then letting them swallow his cum. (KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THE CUM CORRUPTS THEM.)


Honestly it sounds like you haven't even tried to play the game without corruption so you just assumed you needed ntr to do a lot of things you mentioned. Unless you're doing ntr hardly anything is lost at all.
HUH? I mentioned nothing about NTR. Again, I will argue that MMF is not inherently NTR, especially when one of the M's has multiple FFM and a whole harem that includes every woman in the county.

But no, I haven't tried playing the game without corruption. It doesn't increase the difficulty. It would be a faster playthrough. AND IT WOULDN'T BE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST. The MC knows what his cum does, pretending that isn't true, just so that I can count half a playthrough as a full playthrough presents no interesting challenge or content to me.

Everything in a love route is in corruption routes, not everything in corruption routes are in love routes. To get to the corruption end, you need to do all the love, plus more. Making love / no corruption the easier route to play.

Come on you know she doesn't count. She doesn't even really get corrupted it. She gets stronger when she has sex with the mc but corruption does not effect her or influence her in any way which is what we're talking about here. And it doesn't unlock any scenes because everytime you have sex with her it adds to her corruption counter which is different from everyone else
By Sabrina and Isha, I meant the threesome, not just Isha. Not sure why you interpreted it that way.

How does it not exist like honestly? You don't have to sell cumwine and aside from that the only way to corrupt people is through blowjobs which not only again do you not have to do, but by every by the time they start giving blowjobs they're super into the mc anyway even without corruption so corruption doesn't really do anymore at that point. It's completely different from the corruption routes where the only reason why they are interested in the mc is because they're corrupted.
How many times do I have to say this? Lucien tells the MC what his cum does. That makes any corruption in the game, be from oral or cumwine, dishonest. There is no corruption in the game without the MC knowing that he is corrupting.

Just because "they're super into the MC" doesn't mean the MC doesn't know he is corrupting them. Especially when every time he cums in an LI's mouth, she becomes sluttier, wears sluttier clothes, wants to have sex in public, and to have sex with other woman.

It's fucking grasping at the thinnest of straws to pretend like the MC can't see how his cum effects every person that ingests it.

And again, sneaking the book to Mira, isn't Paladin, it's grooming behavior. You can't even complete Mira's questline in an honorable way.

You are kidding yourself to pretend an honorable Paladin route exists. It doesn't. At best you have the most honorable route, but even that is the easiest way to play ASWS. At no point is hard to love romance an LI, figuring out how to corrupt her means you have to figure out the love route, and the corruption route.
 
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I mentioned 40 unique scenes. You said "Nuh-uh" to seven of them
Because I didn't feel like bothering to quote every single scene and decided to explain most of them in one content. I didn't say nah to the fact there were 40 scenes. The fact that I keep quoting and that you continue to ignore is that these are all one or two optional scenes that one love interest gets each and that the absence of those few scenes don't put a dent in the total number of scenes that that particular love interest gets.


So it's not essential at all and the vast majority are again just either optional threesomes or ntr. Which is why you keep mentioning threesomes over and over because that's literally all corruption adds for the most part.
The scene with Kate and Arianna is pretty good, I find it weird that folks find FFM as not NTR, but MMF are NTR. I think that is pretty insecure way of viewing ones own masculine sexuality.

I didn't say whether or not it's good. You're missing the point here. It's that there are so many other scenes that the absence of one or two scenes with that particular character is not a major loss. You keep saying that so many characters have at least one scene that's locked behind corruption BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that for most LI it's only one scene while they have 4 or 5 scenes that don't require corruption at all. So it's no where near half the game being missing without corruption. Most of the corruption scenes are treated more like bonus non essential scenes

No I specifically mentioned how the MC corrupts Liandra. But I may have edited that in after you started responding. But I would argue that breaking into Giron's library to steal erotic fiction and sneaking it to Mira, and giving it to Liandra, just so that he can groom them


They're not children, you're not grooming them. Mira is 21 and perfectly capable of making her own decisions there is a different between seducing someone and grooming them, neither are ignorant of how sex works or what sex is. Also that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about using Isha's curse to low key brainwash individuals and manipulate their behavior. All giving them a peace of erotic fiction does is turn them on.


Exactly, so maybe you're not the best to talk about compared to someone who has actually done both a paladin and non paladin run and compared the differences?


HUH? I mentioned nothing about NTR. Again, I will argue that MMF is not inherently NTR

It doesn't matter if you don't consider it ntr. A lot of people on this sub and Chyos do as MMF scenes are all disabled if you turn ntr off. Frankly whatever you call it doesn't matter most Non Ntr players aren't interested in sharing their love interests at all. So to most Non Ntr players this is not some great loss which is my point.

I complete concede you are right about sex at 10. I was wrong about that. I thought you had to corrupt her. I was wrong. But even you are admitting that you are missing out on 3/4ths of her content with out corruption. No sex downstairs, no Julia and Yasmine, no Yasmine and Helena. And I would argue Yasmin's best scenes are fucking her after Giron goes to bed, in his bed.

Like I said earlier I don't really care if you think those are her best scenes. I said it's not a fundamental loss without it. having sex next to Giron is nothing more than an extended version of her normal sex scenes, Yasmine and Helena scene only happens in the christmas event and you can still have a Yasmine Liandra threesome without corrupting her(which in my opinion is a better scene than all 3 of the scenes you mentioned) So no you are not missing 3/4 of her content without corrupting her.


How many times do I have to say this? Lucien tells the MC what his cum does

Again, not the point here. The point is that on corruption routes the mc is using his cum to manipulate them and get them to do things they normally wouldn't do. As opposed to the romance routes which only use corrupt to unlock bonus scenes after the mc has already successfully seduced and slept with that love interest. By that time the mc doesn't need to corrupt them at all to start a relationship with them. Even when they give the mc a blowjob it's because that's something they want to do because they love the mc so whether or he knows what the cum does is irrelevant.

Especially when every time he cums in an LI's mouth, she becomes sluttier, wears sluttier clothes, wants to have sex in public, and to have sex with other woman.

Yes exactly except this is the apart I'm saying the mc does not have to do and only accounts for a minority of their scenes. YOu don't need to corrupt them to see the minority of their scenes. You don't have to keep having them give you blow jobs until they become super sluty.

When I say no corruption I don't mean the corruption meter doesn't go up at all. I mean they don't trigger any of those checks where they start to become slutty and doing things like public sex. Also not all of them evendo that. Frisha and Emily both change their outfits without you corrupting them at all. You just have to romance them first. And when I say paladin I mean only doing the romance routes and keeping corruption to a minimal and genuinely making the LI fall in love with the mc. and doing your best to get in the way of characters like Thomas, Dave and Giron who only see women as another pussy to fuck and who don't care about any of them.




I think the biggest issue here is that you and I really have two different ideas of what Non corruption means and what a paladin run means. Non corruption to me means keeping it at a minimal and not doing to the point where it starts to effect their behavior. Nearly every scene is unlocked without corruption aside from threesomes and ntr.
 
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I think the biggest issue here is that you and I really have two different ideas of what Non corruption means and what a paladin run means. Nearly every scene is unlocked without corruption aside from threesomes and ntr.
I see our argument as two fold. First the possibility of a paladin route, and second how low corruption is easier to complete and cuts out half the content. Lets simplify the argument.


One, I strongly disagree that the ingestion of cum isn't dishonest manipulation. The MC knows what his cum does, and at no point gives the LI the information needed for her to give informed consent to the corruption. No matter how much the LI is into the MC, giving her a drug she doesn't know about is dishonest. Would you argue that if an LI is totally into a dude, that the dude putting ruffies into her drink is honorable paladin behavior? I would hope you wouldn't make that argument. So how is cumming in her mouth any different? Seriously, how is it different? It is drugging her without her knowledge of her being drugged. The MC knows he is drugging her. This makes the only honorable route to be zero cumwine and zero cum in mouth.

And it doesn't matter how old Mira is, the MC sneaks the porn book into her lectern to make it look like the Pater put it there, that is grooming and not honorable. And the MC does the dishonest act of theft, and dishonest act of hiding who put it on her lectern for the sole purpose of tricking her into being horny, for the MC's gain. Making the only honorable route to be zero stealing books from Giron.

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Second, lets discuss which route is easier and how no/low corruption cuts off half the available content.

I will start by just choosing 5 LI's, and say I believe their no corruption routes are much easier to complete then their corruption routes, and state how no / low corruption cuts off the large majority of their content. I believe my argument to be so sound that I don't even need to mention how this is the case. But if you want to dispute one, feel free, at that point I will give receipts.

Tia (literally lose a dozen corruption scenes) (has four or five vanilla scenes)
Kate (loses six corruption scenes) (has like three vanilla scenes)
Claire (loses six corruption scenes) (only has three vanilla)
Lyvia (loses four corruption scenes) (only has one Vanilla, but in two locations)
Emily (loses atleast five corruption scenes) (only has one Vanilla)

That's a count of 46 corruption scenes, 13 vanilla. Meaning no / low corruption cuts out 77% of the content of those LI's

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Now, I challenge you to make a list of LI's where no / low corruption is harder than a corruption route.

And I triple dog dare you to make a list of LI's that don't lose at least 50% of an LI's content. If an LI only has one scene, just losing anal means you are losing 50 % of her content. Losing anal and a threesome is losing 66% of her content.

Like you said it doesn't matter the quality of a scene, losing a scene is losing a scene. Not having access to a sexual position is a portion of the content lost.

For a large majority of the LI's I think you will concede they lose 66% - 75% of their content.

Further, I think you will be hard pressed to name more than a couple that only lose 50%. Which will end up to you conceded that low / no corruption runs are twice as easy to complete as full corruption, and 50% less content then full corruption runs.
 
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And I don't have to try to keep Lucien, Thomas, Dave or Giron from the MC's woman. There is no challenge in that, on there own, those scenes don't happen. You have to make them happen. I once fucked around with Yasmine too much and she kicked me out and woke up Giron, but that was the only time in all my playthroughs that any of those jackoffs got any action.

I did let Mira be an independent woman once it took too long to see her Aidilan actually do anything, wasn't worth it to me. But I do like the idea of a smart independent Mira better than a clueless one that doesn't smell the women on the MC's dick.

I have let my mercs join in, and have let Bjorn and Rick have some fun, but in each of those instances it was harder to make it happen then just not doing anything and have them not happen.

So don't play the NTR routes, I really don't. But I am not pretending like the no NTR route is harder. No NTR is doing nothing. Getting the NTR requires doing stuff.
 
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Shapesnatcher

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I did the NTR playthrough and I have a good idea of the effort it takes. Kate you gotta win and lose the minigame a lot for Thomas and Rick to get any action, grant is just losing at gambling and the final boyos are straight forward. Rick takes like 5 attempts at sharing for him to once again get action with her at the stable. Claire is easy, just requires you to lose at gambling to this one dude. Penny with Henry is easy, with Lucius it is more convoluted, to get her to fuck Dave it is a more annoying process to get there. Ophelia just steal from Thomas and help rick out. Tia requires you to leave her in Rumah for a long ass time and you get a lot of NTR content from letting Dasan win.

Honestly NTR requires enough effort to the point if played blindly by someone who does not care for it, they can quite easily avoid it. Forcing NTR while playing blindly though is rough. Also as I collected scenes, a lot of the issue i ran into was Melisa's obscure af maps, farming corruption of the LI's, farming ore and the stuff in regards to recruiting mercenaries.

Also no, way too many scenes are linked to corruption, the walkthrough states as such and that is how it ended working out in my experience. Corruption with NTR i think is best to get the most content from what i remember. Almost certain that if someone went out of their way to tally it up, you would lose around a third at least.
 

HentaiKami

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There is a difference between low MC corruption and low corruption among the LI's.

The former just cuts you from a few scenes, but is also a misnomer since the MC completely knows the power of his cum. The Paladin angle just doesn't exist. It's like saying the MC doesn't know that orc's die when he sticks his dagger in them, he knows the effect of his actions. What is the argument on why Lucien will buy the MC's cum, if the MC doesn't know what his cum does? Which makes the MC knowingly use his cum, including through getting oral, not "honorable".

But LI's without corruption? You are missing like half of the scenes. Sure you can play that "honorable" way, but to truly be honorable with how the MC uses his cum, you are missing half the game.

First you are only getting anal from Penny and Mira. (Not to mention that stealing a book from Giron, and sneaking it into Mira's lectern is corrupt, not Paladin behavior).

So no anal from Hiba,Tia, Frisha, Emily, Claire, Kate, Katharine, Lyvia, and Arianna (I likely forgot some.)

Without corruption you are missing out on threesomes. Mira and Emily in Mira's room. Emily and Frisha in Frisha's room. Emily and Frisha in Emily's room. The better hot tub scene with all three.

No Katherine and Tia threesome. Four or five Tia involved group activities in Rumah. Katherine and Lyvia morning threesome. Fucking Tia while Katherine and Lyvia scissor at noon. Tia and Lyvia threesome. Tia and Imawyn Threesome.

No kitchen sex with Emily, no pregnant sex with Emily in the kitchen. (the spraying milk animation makes it two different scenes imo).

No Kate and Arianna, No Rick and Pia.

No Claire and Verena, Claire and Kate, Claire and Bjorn.

No Bianca and Gavina. No Sabrina and Isha.

No Natasha. No fucking Penny at church.

No Yasmine at all. No Yasmine while Giron sleeps. No Yasmine and Julia threesome. No Helena and Yasmine threesome.

Technically you have to corrupt Liandra to even have a party with her at camp, so no Liandra. A Paladin wouldn't sneak into a library to steal erotica to give to a LI so he can seduce her.

I could go on, and on, but I have already mentioned 40 scenes that can only happen with corruption, which doesn't even include the sluttier outfits and dialogue.
Also without enough corruption, LIs can get mad when they witness you having sex with others. For example Mira will get mad at you having sex with one of the other nuns if she sees it and starts seeing the knight iirc.
 

HentaiKami

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How does it not exist like honestly? You don't have to sell cumwine and aside from that the only way to corrupt people is through blowjobs which not only again do you not have to do, but by every by the time they start giving blowjobs they're super into the mc anyway even without corruption so corruption doesn't really do anymore at that point. It's completely different from the corruption routes where the only reason why they are interested in the mc is because they're corrupted.
You are still corrupting them in the love route if you have them give you blowjobs, it just doesn't switch from love route to corruption route. But it will increase interaction options and change their dialogue etc.... Unless you use the drug that works as inhibitor every day. In any case, it's not either or with the corruption and love, you can have them fall in love with the MC first and then use corruption to make them be more open with their own sexuality. Or you can corrupt them first and then make them fall in love with the MC, in both cases you change the scenes they have with the MC.
 

HentaiKami

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I did the NTR playthrough and I have a good idea of the effort it takes. Kate you gotta win and lose the minigame a lot for Thomas and Rick to get any action, grant is just losing at gambling and the final boyos are straight forward. Rick takes like 5 attempts at sharing for him to once again get action with her at the stable. Claire is easy, just requires you to lose at gambling to this one dude. Penny with Henry is easy, with Lucius it is more convoluted, to get her to fuck Dave it is a more annoying process to get there. Ophelia just steal from Thomas and help rick out. Tia requires you to leave her in Rumah for a long ass time and you get a lot of NTR content from letting Dasan win.

Honestly NTR requires enough effort to the point if played blindly by someone who does not care for it, they can quite easily avoid it. Forcing NTR while playing blindly though is rough. Also as I collected scenes, a lot of the issue i ran into was Melisa's obscure af maps, farming corruption of the LI's, farming ore and the stuff in regards to recruiting mercenaries.

Also no, way too many scenes are linked to corruption, the walkthrough states as such and that is how it ended working out in my experience. Corruption with NTR i think is best to get the most content from what i remember. Almost certain that if someone went out of their way to tally it up, you would lose around a third at least.
NTR is basically intended as punishment in the story sense of the game, or knowing decision to share your LIs. You basically have to fail your LIs in some way or intentionally push them to do it.
 
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Barely anything changes outside of the love interest personalities changing
On the one hand, I completely understand that new or bigger scenes are behind corruption meters, but on the other hand, I prefer the original personality of the LIs. With corruption, they all seem like """the same person"" to me (all just....turbo horny). Just a rant, I think they're better and more unique when they're without corruption.
 
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