RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[Silverdragon]

The way I read it, ilsc69 only answered to someone else, who added a religious context and tried to explain a different view of that.
But now, some users seem to make him out to, well, whatever you wrote. Mixing gaming, religion and real life.
Others read more into it. And then the discussion goes off-topic into religion and rl.

His paladin way of playing seems to me just a way to have fun with the game. If it should be discussed, then with focus about the game, not about RL or religion.

If people are looking for restrictive playthroughs, one I have had in my mind for the last few days is the 0 corruption playthrough, where you need to avoid all corruption, while getting laid as much as possible in as many ways as possible.

As soon as you get/give one point of corruption in any way shape or form, the challenge is over. Wether you get it from stealing, or fucking Gwen.

 

[Apartment817]

The way I read it, ilsc69 only answered to someone else, who added a religious context and tried to explain a different view of that.
But now, some users seem to make him out to, well, whatever you wrote. Mixing gaming, religion and real life.
Others read more into it. And then the discussion goes off-topic into religion and rl.

His paladin way of playing seems to me just a way to have fun with the game. If it should be discussed, then with focus about the game, not about RL or religion.

In my mind Paladin has fuck all to do with religion. I simply went with how ilsc69 wanted to define what a paladin is. In a million years I never would have brought up a religion.

Dude said his religion allowed 4 wives. I pointed out how you can't complete a ASWS playthrough with only four wives. You can play for about three hours, and then you would have to quit.

If you go back to the very beginning of the discussion, ilsc69 tried to correct me on what I was saying about not seeing a major distinction between love and corruption routes. FOR ME. THAT I WAS WRONG IN NOT SEEING A DISTINCTION.

So, I will continue to repeat that a "love route" in ASWS is utter bullshit. That in real life if any of the "love route" LI's knew you were / or were about to fuck 39 other woman while pursuing her, she would not consider you a paladin seeking her true love.

People can play in what ever delusional way they choose to, but if you come at me for seeing through that delusion, saying that I am wrong for doing so, I will mock the shit out of that.

I don't know which LI you are referring to, but in general, you are right, I draw little distinction between the two for any LI. The MC regularly bangs nearly 40 woman, pretty much every single woman in his universe. Excuse me for finding it absolutely comical that he is some sort of paladin with one true love.

Oh he is Paladin who is allowed more than one wives, as Islam allows 4 wives given you keep equity among them so my views are different XD on that.

 

[Apartment817]

If people are looking for restrictive playthroughs, one I have had in my mind for the last few days is the 0 corruption playthrough, where you need to avoid all corruption, while getting laid as much as possible in as many ways as possible.

As soon as you get/give one point of corruption in any way shape or form, the challenge is over. Wether you get it from stealing, or fucking Gwen.

To each his own, but in my mind that is true NTR, cock blocking yourself for the pleasure of punishing yourself. Even if you get far enough into the best scenes you will have put twice the effort into grinding (no witchcraft against Gurtak) for less than the best scenes. (None of the best costumes, no threesomes, etc.)

 

[Silverdragon]

In my mind Paladin has fuck all to do with religion. I simply went with how ilsc69 wanted to define what a paladin is. In a million years I never would have brought up a religion.

Dude said his religion allowed 4 wives. I pointed out how you can't complete a ASWS playthrough with only four wives. You can play for about three hours, and then you would have to quit.

If you go back to the very beginning of the discussion, ilsc69 tried to correct me on what I was saying about not seeing a major distinction between love and corruption routes. FOR ME. THAT I WAS WRONG IN NOT SEEING A DISTINCTION.

So, I will continue to repeat that a "love route" in ASWS is utter bullshit. That in real life if any of the "love route" LI's knew you were / or were about to fuck 39 other woman while pursuing her, she would not consider you a paladin seeking her true love.

People can play in what ever delusional way they choose to, but if you come at for seeing through that delusion, saying that I am wrong for doing so, I will mock the shit out of that.

In ASWS, love route is more about how MC treats the LI, rather than how the LI looks at him. Not caring and turning them into luts vs caring and trying to gain their affection. Love is subjective after all.

Maybe ilsc69 is playing as a Paladin that invested too many stats in love and now he has too much love to give. And the LIs just don't understand.

 

[ilsc69]

If people are looking for restrictive playthroughs, one I have had in my mind for the last few days is the 0 corruption playthrough, where you need to avoid all corruption, while getting laid as much as possible in as many ways as possible.

As soon as you get/give one point of corruption in any way shape or form, the challenge is over. Wether you get it from stealing, or fucking Gwen.

Hmm interesting. I think you can reduce your default corruption a bit too by burying the dead outside mine. And few more points here and there. Maybe I will try that next run

 

[Silverdragon]

To each his own, but in my mind that is true NTR, cock blocking yourself for the pleasure of punishing yourself. Even if you get far enough into the best scenes you will have put twice the effort into grinding (no witchcraft against Gurtak) for less than the best scenes. (None of the best costumes, no threesomes, etc.)

I mean if you cheat all the way and don't care about the journey, maybe. I don't play NSFW games just for the NSFW part. I can simply rip the CG out if that was the case. Right now, my MC is a full on incubus that doesn't give a fuck about the morality of his actions just to get women. Playing through the game with a different more moral approach is just another way to experience the game. Same way I would do a playthrough where MC just wants to corrupt as many people as possible just because he is evil.

There are different ways to struggle with sin after all.

 

[Apartment817]

In ASWS, love route is more about how MC treats the LI, rather than how the LI looks at him. Not caring and turning them into luts vs caring and trying to gain their affection. Love is subjective after all.

Maybe ilsc69 is playing as a Paladin that invested too many stats in love and now he has too much love to give. And the LIs just don't understand.

If you go to the cell and Imawyn asks for your dick, if you give it to her, she gains corruption, if you give her wine, she gains affection.

How is getting her drunk the MC him caring more about her, and trying to gain her affection?

How is the MC giving Frisha a piece of jewelry some altruistic act, that he does soley because he cares about her? You only fucking do that to manipulate the point of affection.

You are telling me that you the player care so much about Frisha as a person that you just care for just to help her grow as a person?

If you know the game, then every single act of affection receiving is a manipulative act towards the player unlocking "love route" cg's.

In my mind there is not an evil component to corruption and a good component to affection.

In real life I have seen material gifts given with evil intent, and head given with love intent.

I mean if you cheat all the way and don't care about the journey, maybe. I don't play NSFW games just for the NSFW part. I can simply rip the CG out if that was the case. Right now, my MC is a full on incubus that doesn't give a fuck about the morality of his actions just to get women. Playing through the game with a different more moral approach is just another way to experience the game. Same way I would do a playthrough where MC just wants to corrupt as many people as possible just because he is evil.

There are different ways to struggle with sin after all.

The grind I mentioned comes from not cheating. With cheating, beating Gurtak in battle would be easy. I was referring to the grind of leveling up to beating him without cheating or witchcraft.

I do play NSFW only for the NSFW part. Telling me that I am playing them wrong is you being wrong.

I am telling you why the way you insist I play is flat wrong and delusional.

You can play whatever way you want to.

I don't know which LI you are referring to, but in general, you are right, I draw little distinction between the two for any LI.

If you stop attacking the fact that I don't see a distinction, I won't have to continue defending the reasons that there isn't one.

 

[Silverdragon]

The grind I mentioned comes from not cheating. With cheating, beating Gurtak in battle would be easy. I was referring to the grind of leveling up to beating him without cheating or witchcraft.

I do play NSFW only for the NSFW part. Telling me that I am playing them wrong is you being wrong.

I am telling you why the way you insist I play is flat wrong and delusional.

You can play whatever way you want to.

Where did I ever say you played the game wrong???

All I said is how I play and explained the reasoning behind it. I think you are misinterpreting something somewhere.

 

[Apartment817]

Where did I ever say you played the game wrong???

All I said is how I play and explained the reasoning behind it. I think you are misinterpreting something somewhere.

I got asked:

Love route and corrupt route, what are they good for according to your criteria? They're useless.

I replied:

I don't know which LI you are referring to, but in general, you are right, I draw little distinction between the two for any LI.

Ever since then I have been told my way of thinking is incorrect.

So, I have defended my take.

 

[ymirxy]

I restarted the game (I deleted the saves thinking they would stay saved in a folder like Ren'Py saves). Do you know how to increase externally (via cheat or save editor) the 'alignment / Corruption MC'? I tried with the 'Save editor online' and the 'MVM Cheat' save editor, and neither works—I modify the amount but it doesn't reflect. If there's no way to increase it with cheats, do you know what in-game mechanic raises it? I'm basically doing a speedrun to stay up to date when updates come.

 

[lurkathon]

I restarted the game (I deleted the saves thinking they would stay saved in a folder like Ren'Py saves). Do you know how to increase externally (via cheat or save editor) the 'alignment / Corruption MC'? I tried with the 'Save editor online' and the 'MVM Cheat' save editor, and neither works—I modify the amount but it doesn't reflect. If there's no way to increase it with cheats, do you know what in-game mechanic raises it? I'm basically doing a speedrun to stay up to date when updates come.

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Serving Cumwine wherever you can is an easy way to "get it up"

 

[anyone121]

who winning in 0.6.3 poll?

 

["WindDX "]

I restarted the game (I deleted the saves thinking they would stay saved in a folder like Ren'Py saves). Do you know how to increase externally (via cheat or save editor) the 'alignment / Corruption MC'? I tried with the 'Save editor online' and the 'MVM Cheat' save editor, and neither works—I modify the amount but it doesn't reflect. If there's no way to increase it with cheats, do you know what in-game mechanic raises it? I'm basically doing a speedrun to stay up to date when updates come.

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Why bother cheating it? Raising corruption is extremely easy and you don't really need it to be high except for a FEW things that you can't even achieve early game anyway. Just go around stealing and giving cumwine to women to raise it.
Unless you mean lowering it. In that case I'd understand cheating it because I think lowering corruption is a lot harder in comparison.

 

[Apartment817]

who winning in 0.6.3 poll?

Tia, I doubt Julia will catch her.

I restarted the game (I deleted the saves thinking they would stay saved in a folder like Ren'Py saves). Do you know how to increase externally (via cheat or save editor) the 'alignment / Corruption MC'? I tried with the 'Save editor online' and the 'MVM Cheat' save editor, and neither works—I modify the amount but it doesn't reflect. If there's no way to increase it with cheats, do you know what in-game mechanic raises it? I'm basically doing a speedrun to stay up to date when updates come.

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You should be using https://f95zone.to/threads/rpg-maker-save-editors.51/ for your RPGM save editing needs.

Corruption is ridiculously easy to raise, just sell Lucius 20 cum vials every week and you will hit the cap in a month and a week.

But it is in saveeditoronline, it is the 14th variable. 0 in that variable spot gives you 50 in game, the max you can get is 150.

In Rpgmsaveeditor it is in advanced, variables, 14th item.

 

[ymirxy]

You should be using https://f95zone.to/threads/rpg-maker-save-editors.51/ for your RPGM save editing needs.

Corruption is ridiculously easy to raise, just sell Lucius 20 cum vials every week and you will hit the cap in a month and a week.

But it is in saveeditoronline, it is the 14th variable. 0 in that variable spot gives you 50 in game, the max you can get is 150.

In Rpgmsaveeditor it is in advanced, variables, 14th item.

Thank you, I tried the “14th variable” option and it worked.

 

[Silverdragon]

I restarted the game (I deleted the saves thinking they would stay saved in a folder like Ren'Py saves). Do you know how to increase externally (via cheat or save editor) the 'alignment / Corruption MC'? I tried with the 'Save editor online' and the 'MVM Cheat' save editor, and neither works—I modify the amount but it doesn't reflect. If there's no way to increase it with cheats, do you know what in-game mechanic raises it? I'm basically doing a speedrun to stay up to date when updates come.

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Off-topic, I personally hate games that save outside their respective folders, which is most of them at this point. Like I don't want to hunt down 50 locations with save files in appdata and documents when I want to clean out my PC memory from junk.

 

[Deren]

you guys know any other games like this where your party gets fucked if you lose?

 

[ilsc69]

In my mind Paladin has fuck all to do with religion. I simply went with how ilsc69 wanted to define what a paladin is. In a million years I never would have brought up a religion.

Dude said his religion allowed 4 wives. I pointed out how you can't complete a ASWS playthrough with only four wives. You can play for about three hours, and then you would have to quit.

If you go back to the very beginning of the discussion, ilsc69 tried to correct me on what I was saying about not seeing a major distinction between love and corruption routes. FOR ME. THAT I WAS WRONG IN NOT SEEING A DISTINCTION.

So, I will continue to repeat that a "love route" in ASWS is utter bullshit. That in real life if any of the "love route" LI's knew you were / or were about to fuck 39 other woman while pursuing her, she would not consider you a paladin seeking her true love.

People can play in what ever delusional way they choose to, but if you come at me for seeing through that delusion, saying that I am wrong for doing so, I will mock the shit out of that.

You and I never had a single exchange about corruption vs love route at all. You were having that fight with someone else entirely. You are just blaming me for no reasons what so ever. As far as completing the game is concerned it's incomplete game. In all your mighty brain, tell me when you complete all quests the game actually ends at all right now? NO! As far as your love route is bullshit it's your opinion. I don't even care if you can't feel the difference between love based dialogue in the game vs corrupted ones. You just want to play the way you want to, do it. Don't impose your so called correct way of playing upon others in disguise here. I never said you played wrong. You are just super defensive and saying stuff at this point. I repeat you and I never had any exchange at all about love vs corruption route distinction, nor love is good and corruption is evil, I have never said that at all. You are confusing me with someone else entirely.

To each his own, but in my mind that is true NTR, cock blocking yourself for the pleasure of punishing yourself. Even if you get far enough into the best scenes you will have put twice the effort into grinding (no witchcraft against Gurtak) for less than the best scenes. (None of the best costumes, no threesomes, etc.)

Cock blocking? You do understand that you are just imagining things at this point. Also combat is only hard if you start out without leveling up through non combat quests. You easily level up in this game. Apart from my first run through in 2019 where I was going after Gurtak the moment I hit level listed in the top. I never had problem and I have never used cheats. Because there are too many simple other things to do in Arenfield to get you level up and stats you get bonuses towards. Instead of time skipping I go cutting trees, mining tin, copper, etc side stuff and get those stats up and level up in quick combat enabled while you gather the stuff. Once non combat quests are over I go towards stuff which requires combat. It's that simple.

The grind I mentioned comes from not cheating. With cheating, beating Gurtak in battle would be easy. I was referring to the grind of leveling up to beating him without cheating or witchcraft.

I do play NSFW only for the NSFW part. Telling me that I am playing them wrong is you being wrong.

I am telling you why the way you insist I play is flat wrong and delusional.

You can play whatever way you want to.


If you stop attacking the fact that I don't see a distinction, I won't have to continue defending the reasons that there isn't one.

I never attacked you. You are saying that over and over, while attacking me.

Where did I ever say you played the game wrong???

All I said is how I play and explained the reasoning behind it. I think you are misinterpreting something somewhere.

Neither did I said that as well. Apartment is saying that for no reason to us.

So, I have defended my take.

You were never attacked by me or that other person. You have been defending against us for what reasons? There are none. You had love is good vs corruption is evil with someone else, we never ever said that.

 

[ilsc69]

Off-topic, I personally hate games that save outside their respective folders, which is most of them at this point. Like I don't want to hunt down 50 locations with save files in appdata and documents when I want to clean out my PC memory from junk.

Imagine a simple loadshedding corrupts your windows and reinstalling it and there goes your saves which were in C. Unless you go in command prompt while installing and manually type and find each file and copy paste them folder by folder to each new location. Not a fan either.

 

[Silverdragon]

Cock blocking? You do understand that you are just imagining things at this point. Also combat is only hard if you start out without leveling up through non combat quests. You easily level up in this game. Apart from my first run through in 2019 where I was going after Gurtak the moment I hit level listed in the top. I never had problem and I have never used cheats. Because there are too many simple other things to do in Arenfield to get you level up and stats you get bonuses towards. Instead of time skipping I go cutting trees, mining tin, copper, etc side stuff and get those stats up and level up in quick combat enabled while you gather the stuff. Once non combat quests are over I go towards stuff which requires combat. It's that simple.

In 2019(or a bit later), the strat was to rush building a workbench in MC's house because it gave like 10 levels at that point.