RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[Wolf Larsen]

Personally I don't care for the NTR, It's not my thing but if people like it then hey good for them. I'm just annoyed by the fact that every time there is NTR in a game it stirs up arguments. Though I have to say I don't really care for the bonus scene idea mentioned by Wolf Larsen as it seems to go against the idea that the NTR is just punishment for if you do badly, though I guess it depends on how Chyos would have implemented it

I guess I can be very annoying... but it's mostly because I care. I would be apathetic otherwise, and I wouldn't be here. Hell, I'm a patron of this one.

I liked Ophilia how she was, now I kinda avoiding the tavern. It's the only thing that I really dislike so far. And now I'm seeing another situation that I really don't like being pushed, so excuse my rambling.

The whole non-ntr and ntr talk aside from that was just a conversation for me, we were just talking about the game. I wrote in my review months ago and I agree with mrttao that the walkthrough and NTR-off are essential aspects of this game, although others argue that you could do fine without them.

In the end, you can play this game however you want and I think it's fine to have those disagreements. You can't possibly tell me that you prefer this thread bloated with people asking dumbass questions because they don't read the walkthrough, "UPDATE", "pregnancy?", "100% save please", "compressed".

 

[mrttao]

Speaking of. it was only just a few pages ago we got this

I was playing Mira without NTR. But now i see that she goes every morning to Aidalin. Is this some bug or what? even when i turn off NTR content its is same.
Sry if someone posted same question or answer before but i could not find it.

kmangame did not use NTR off on their save, they thought they had it in the bag.
But one mistake later and their save is ruined.

You can deride them and say it was all their fault for playing poorly. But at the end of the day people make mistakes. And this game is over 40 hours of gameplay which is a lot to lose over a mistake.
I honestly truly appreciate the fantastic work Chyos did with that configuration option. It kept my save safe.

 

[zARRR]

I guess I can be very annoying... but it's mostly because I care. I would be apathetic otherwise, and I wouldn't be here. Hell, I'm a patron of this one.

I liked Ophilia how she was, now I kinda avoiding the tavern. It's the only thing that I really dislike so far. And now I'm seeing another situation that I really don't like being pushed, so excuse my rambling.

The whole non-ntr and ntr talk aside from that was just a conversation for me, we were just talking about the game. I wrote in my review months ago and I agree with mrttao that the walkthrough and NTR-off are essential aspects of this game, although others argue that you could do fine without them.

In the end, you can play this game however you want and I think it's fine to have those disagreements. You can't possibly tell me that you prefer this thread bloated with people asking dumbass questions because they don't read the walkthrough, "UPDATE", "pregnancy?", "100% save please", "compressed".

Always better than those braindead comments and questions, good lord read the thread or play the game instead of screaming “SaVe FiLEs REEEEEEEEEE!1!1!1!1!”

 

[Evangelion-01]

you will reach a level where you can kill them instantly, that's true, and that doesn't take long

but right now i have to fight every single orc with a group of three that appears in the forest (level 30ish)

it was like that for the brigands

it's not exactly hard for a player to lose a fight after they keep showing one after the other and you are fucked bc your characters are not in top shape

Don't get me wrong I am not saying they are pushovers, but they lack any real damage skills and you can migate most of their damage by wearing leather armor if you spent some points on armor proficience.
In comparrison the Bandits south of Arenfield are much more dangerous as their poison and bleeding attacks do much harm to the party even after winning a battle unless you carry some Items (Even the Cultist in the Hideout of the Dark Forest have an equal ability).
Brigands only have the Taunt skill that make them endurant and armor reduceing skills, that have little effect for the most part

I liked Ophilia how she was, now I kinda avoiding the tavern. It's the only thing that I really dislike so far. And now I'm seeing another situation that I really don't like being pushed, so excuse my rambling.

Remember this is not her final fate, she'll be able to turn this around eventually and we'll be able to help her in that.

Speaking of. it was only just a few pages ago we got this

kmangame did not use NTR off on their save, they thought they had it in the bag.
But one mistake later and their save is ruined.

You can deride them and say it was all their fault for playing poorly. But at the end of the day people make mistakes. And this game is over 40 hours of gameplay which is a lot to lose over a mistake.
I honestly truly appreciate the fantastic work Chyos did with that configuration option. It kept my save safe.

Well I might be old school but I am used to to make a save on a key moment or just before and if things don't play out backroll to that (like entering the cellar of the church or just before entering the sanctuary) I always considered this the normal way to play RPGs but maybe someone unfamiliar with the genre will have more issues with that.

edit: although you can argue that she's not in love with the mc yet because they didn't get married... the same mc that went to a tribe because of her
and to avoid that you will probably have to step in while she's giggling to dasan the cunt, awesome
not because she's being blackmailed, because she's hurt, but because she's horny
but again, i'm just conjecturing, it wasn't released

This is mainly for the Dassan route (NTR), as this will only apply if you leave her in Rumah and spend your days away.
If Tia stays with her Mom in Arenfield there is no such risk.

 

[Johnny007]

Can I just update the game without having to redownload it every time. I'm abroad and have limited internet usage.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Can I just update the game without having to redownload it every time. I'm abroad and have limited internet usage.

No Update Files available... those tend to cause more issues with RPGM games than other engines anyway

 

[Ottoeight]

In the end, you can play this game however you want and I think it's fine to have those disagreements. You can't possibly tell me that you prefer this thread bloated with people asking dumbass questions because they don't read the walkthrough, "UPDATE", "pregnancy?", "100% save please", "compressed".

Latest fancy question: update only pleeeeease, don't wanna redownload everythinnnnng.

 

[NtinoBac]

As long you can avoid NTR, there is no real problem.

For me is like, everyone has his own Tia,Kate etc...
For example "My Kate" has only 5 COR, she never interacts with Thomas and Rick! But if there are people who likes her NTR...well its their choise.

The real problem would be if NTR is not unavoidable in the future.... But i dont think Chyos will let that happen, as he also respects the Non-NTR funs.

 

[Wolf Larsen]

Don't get me wrong I am not saying they are pushovers, but they lack any real damage skills and you can migate most of their damage by wearing leather armor if you spent some points on armor proficience.
In comparrison the Bandits south of Arenfield are much more dangerous as their poison and bleeding attacks do much harm to the party even after winning a battle unless you carry some Items (Even the Cultist in the Hideout of the Dark Forest have an equal ability).
Brigands only have the Taunt skill that make them endurant and armor reduceing skills, that have little effect for the most part

Remember this is not her final fate, she'll be able to turn this around eventually and we'll be able to help her in that.

Funny that I kicked the bandits in the south ass without that nerf patch and without dying.

Because I ran away when I noticed that I was without HP and potions, and then went back to kill the rest.

It was a specific task, but when I was exploring, boom I'm an orc, let's fight after you are done cutting that tree.

This game is fucking easy however, there are way harder and more demanding RPGM.

But I wouldn't know that if I was careless and would get NTR if I went blindly, but ok.

This is mainly for the Dassan route (NTR), as this will only apply if you leave her in Rumah and spend your days away.
If Tia stays with her Mom in Arenfield there is no such risk.

If this was exclusive content for Dasan's route, I wouldn't even be talking about it.

But let me open the Discord and copy and paste exactly what the developer said.

"This takes place before Tia becomes the player's wanita in Rumah village. If Tia has high corruption and is ignored multiply times by the player while sleeping, she will start interacting with Dasan during the day and gain affection for him. (this action can always be prevented by the player) If Dasan gets enough affection, Tia will become Dasan wanita and lose her virginity. However, the player can steal Tia by asking her to become his wanita instead."

I hate that he's going to do this with Tia's character, but what can I do, this option will win soon enough.

If I can avoid all of this 100% with NTR-off, I'm willing to forgive (including seeing Tia going to talk with Dasan)

But it's just another argument to what has been said that this NTR switch is a necessity. And the walkthrough as well.

 

[zARRR]

Funny that I kicked the bandits in the south ass without that nerf patch and without dying.

Because I ran away when I noticed that I was without HP and potions, and then went back to kill the rest.

It was a specific task, but when I was exploring, boom I'm an orc, let's fight after you are done cutting that tree.

This game is fucking easy however, there are way harder and more demanding RPGM.

But I wouldn't know that if I was careless and would get NTR if I went blindly, but ok.



If this was exclusive content for Dasan's route, I wouldn't even be talking about it.

But let me open the Discord and copy and paste exactly what the developer said.

"This takes place before Tia becomes the player's wanita in Rumah village. If Tia has high corruption and is ignored multiply times by the player while sleeping, she will start interacting with Dasan during the day and gain affection for him. (this action can always be prevented by the player) If Dasan gets enough affection, Tia will become Dasan wanita and lose her virginity. However, the player can steal Tia by asking her to become his wanita instead."

I hate that he's going to do this with Tia's character, but what can I do, this option will win soon enough.

If I can avoid all of this 100% with NTR-off, I'm willing to forgive (including seeing Tia going to talk with Dasan)

But it's just another argument to what has been said that this NTR switch is a necessity. And the walkthrough as well.

Oh well, that means kicking out Dasan as fast as possible, for us

 

[Wolf Larsen]

Oh well, that means kicking out Dasan as fast as possible, for us

Chyos really emphasizes "you can prevent this! you have to corrupt her a lot, and neglect her many times, and you can make her stop talking with Dasan"

He didn't seem to realize that he made Tia the type of girlfriend that would cheat on their boyfriend because he doesn't give her enough attention.

This is exactly what Hiba did, but Tia wasn't Hiba. Besides, we know how Tia and the MC's relationship was like from the beginning.

A boyfriend that fucks demons and leaves his girlfriend to the mercy of assholes is another story.

And if you tell me that it's because of Isha's corruption, all that stuff I've been saying that "it doesn't exclude the love that they feel for the MC" is pure BS. And you have to corrupt them to see the content. So, hm... sorry for that.

 

[zARRR]

Chyos really emphasizes "you can prevent this! you have to corrupt her a lot, and neglect her many times, and you can make her stop talking with Dasan"

He didn't seem to realize that he made Tia the type of girlfriend that would cheat on their boyfriend because he doesn't give her enough attention.

This is exactly what Hiba did, but Tia wasn't Hiba. Besides, we know how Tia and the MC's relationship was like from the beginning.

A boyfriend that fucks demons and leaves his girlfriend to the mercy of assholes is another story.

And if you tell me that it's because of Isha's corruption, all that stuff I've been saying that "it doesn't exclude the love that they feel for the MC" is pure BS. And you have to corrupt them to see the content. So, hm... sorry for that.

Mmmmmh if you put it like this, it sounds bad, I hope Tia’s character doesn’t get ruined.
The MC should be an ass instead to get that ending with Dasan.
For example Tia seeing you cheat multiple times and telling her to fuck off, or just the option to be mean af.
Instead like this it makes Tia that type of girlfriend

 

[RMelton]

She already has NTR content that involves her not being corrupted.
Namely, the paladin seduces her and fucks her (she gives him her virginity after a mere 5 days of courting) if she catches the MC having sex with the demoness. I am guessing it is revenge sex?

Luckily I have NTR off so I don't have to see such the childhood friend/sister being stolen by that shitty paladin.

The paladin so far seems one of the few genuinely decent guys in the game (unless it's reveal later on in future patches that it's all an act). I can see there's a couple of ntr scenarios where there isn't any corruption involved and there is mutual attraction between 2 characters. Personally never cared much for Mira (the one girl I tend to stick with lovey dovey exclusive route with is Penny). With Tia, it also doesn't really concern me.....since Dasan rarely lasts long enough in the village to matter in my playthroughs.

 

[Wolf Larsen]

Mmmmmh if you put it like this, it sounds bad, I hope Tia’s character doesn’t get ruined.
The MC should be an ass instead to get that ending with Dasan.
For example Tia seeing you cheat multiple times and telling her to fuck off, or just the option to be mean af.
Instead like this it makes Tia that type of girlfriend

Yeh, that's why I should just shut the fuck up and just wait until it's released. I'm just still traumatized with the "Candy" stuff, I guess.

 

[zARRR]

Yeh, that's why I should just shut the fuck up and just wait until it's released. I'm just still traumatized with the "Candy" stuff, I guess.

“Candy” really did you bad uh?
It causes you some PTSD shit every time you hear the word, poor Wolf, rejoice next updates should not be about strippers

 

[Wolf Larsen]

“Candy” really did you bad uh?
It causes you some PTSD shit every time you hear the word, poor Wolf, rejoice next updates should not be about strippers

Anya was pretty good, although is going slowly (I don't mind though, Chyos is still faster than almost everyone else around here). This game was missing its Asian girl.

 

[zARRR]

Anya was pretty good, although is going slowly (I don't mind though, Chyos is still faster than almost everyone else around here). This game was missing its Asian girl.

Ngl I still didn’t try Anya, I am waiting her full update, and yes Chyos is the fastest dev around, no excuses, every month he releases a finished product.
I wish to become his patron one day

 

[gundammacross31]

How does rick find out mc is with his mother 4.9.5

 

[Ottoeight]

How does rick find out mc is with his mother 4.9.5

Easy and simple: he doesn't.

 

[mrttao]

Chyos really emphasizes "you can prevent this! you have to corrupt her a lot, and neglect her many times, and you can make her stop talking with Dasan"

He didn't seem to realize that he made Tia the type of girlfriend that would cheat on their boyfriend because he doesn't give her enough attention.

This is exactly what Hiba did, but Tia wasn't Hiba. Besides, we know how Tia and the MC's relationship was like from the beginning.

A boyfriend that fucks demons and leaves his girlfriend to the mercy of assholes is another story.

And if you tell me that it's because of Isha's corruption, all that stuff I've been saying that "it doesn't exclude the love that they feel for the MC" is pure BS. And you have to corrupt them to see the content. So, hm... sorry for that.

One thing to note that it is a long scene you have seen a hundred times before. So click "not tonight baby" is meant to be a "just skip seeing the scene" rather than being a neglectful boyfriend. But now it is being made into being a neglectful boyfriend instead. Meaning there is no longer a "fuck her but just skip showing me that scene" choice.

Also, it is based on timer rather than watching. It should be "after you personally watch her flirt with dasan 3 times without intervening she becomes his wanita". But no, it is "after X days go by without you intercepting the conversation" (which you might miss but still happens in the background)

As for "you have to corrupt her a lot"... the non corruption route is super threadbare and even has issues like "there is no way to get vial of water in pure route". It is just that corruption supposedly did not preclude love and exclusiveness. Also >4 is not "a lot" as far as corruption goes. normally need over 10 to get anywhere.

So all 3 "safety blocks" for this NTR route are super flimsy and easily missed.
Fuck, I am now seriously regretting burying dasan after killing him. I should have fed his corpse to wolves.