RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[Evangelion-01]

Hah, hell no. Didn't Chyos said in this very thread that the focus is always the vanilla route? The moment that NTR takes priority with exclusive updates and whatnot, I'm at the door and tell anyone that asks to stay away from this game.

There are only have been threesomes with the girls, and this game has a bunch of them to only have that. It's a feature that it is lacking. That's all I've been saying.

The bonus scene with Mira's family at the bath could also be a good start for that, however.

Or maybe something in the main plot. Dunno.

Well consider Frishas last Bonusscene Update... the normal sex got a new angle while the nTR route got an entire Questline and a new scene.
While Chyos stated that he'll never release a NTR only Update there were several Bonus scene Updates that were focused on the NTR aspect and only gave a minor addition to the Vanilla content

If Dassan gets his harem scene we might get another angle in a existing sex scene with any of the Rumah girls is what I am saying

 

[Wolf Larsen]

Well consider Frishas last Bonusscene Update... the normal sex got a new angle while the nTR route got an entire Questline and a new scene.
While Chyos stated that he'll never release a NTR only Update there were several Bonus scene Updates that were focused on the NTR aspect and only gave a minor addition to the Vanilla content

Frisha's bonus was a great rework for the vanilla content and this quest you mentioned also added an alternative to fuck her before you completed her quest. It would be unfair to say that Chyos did this update mostly for the NTR fans.

I've been around for a while now, and the only update that I really, really dislike was that Pia shit, as all the regulars here know.

The bonus scenes were alright though. Even the last one I thought was going to be mostly about Rick, but it added some nice new stuff for the threesome between the MC and Kate and Arianna. It made me more optimistic about the next Tia bonus scene with the new NTR way with Dasan that I hated the idea so much. I still kinda hate it actually, but I'll have to wait and see.

EDIT

If Dassan gets his harem scene we might get another angle in a existing sex scene with any of the Rumah girls is what I am saying

If Dasan gets a fucking harem scene and we only get a handjob in the vanilla route, I think people would see the BS in the suggestion even before the release.

Chyos seems to focus the animations more on the vanilla route anyway (I can't confirm, since I don't play the NTR route and I don't really want to know). But if I feel like the vanilla route got shit ass little to nothing content, I will let everyone knows.

 

[Yotetar]

I'll just make you remember, that I summoned chyos in this thread just for the NTR and vanilla route, and the answer was, always vanilla, NTR second. Now, get out.

 

[Wolf Larsen]

I'll just make you remember, that I summoned chyos in this thread just for the NTR and vanilla route, and the answer was, always vanilla, NTR second. Now, get out.

We are judging his actions, not what he said though.

 

[Yotetar]

If we are judging his actions, then I think we need to put on the table the pòssibility on him being a liar then.

 

[Evangelion-01]

If we are judging his actions, then I think we need to put on the table the pòssibility on him being a liar then.

Even I think this is going to far.
He never really disappoints with his promisses... for someone who played the game for several years now some additions just seem uncompareable... for example on the Firisha scene I wouldn't even have considered to risk a trigger here in order to take her virginity before saveing her from Dave.
If that was an Option I gues I did the Update injustice since I was long past that moment at this point and it just felt like an entire Quest Versus a new angle.

 

[Yotetar]

Its not going too far,it is the reality. Chyos came because I asked him precisely what you are arguing. By logical reason, you must put on the table the possibility that he lied. If you get to the conclusion that he went to NTR than vanilla, then it's a yes. If not, then is a no.

This was debated 2-3 months ago, with the conclusion I just said, I dont want to start that shit again for no reason.
I dont want people get confused here, when you argue about things like, he goes Vanilla or NTR.Because that's a preferency of new players when they come here.There a lot of threads with that shit.

So if you want to get serious, you must accept that. If you are just fucking around, then okay, you are just fucking around.


Going too far, is calling him scammer.

I am just being honest, and fair.No dev is a god, and no client is always right.

 

[Wolf Larsen]

Going too far, is calling him scammer.

I am just being honest, and fair.No dev is a god, and no client is always right.

It's nothing personal. The main thing about those Patreon games is the question if you can trust the developer or not. You don't follow anyone blindly and suck their cocks, even more, if you are giving your money to them.

Stuff has been happening that made people question these promises. It happens. We are just discussing it. And as far as I know, we are still playing his game, aside from the fact we are also patrons.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Its not going too far,it is the reality. Chyos came because I asked him precisely what you are arguing. By logical reason, you must put on the table the possibility that he lied. If you get to the conclusion that he went to NTR than vanilla, then it's a yes. If not, then is a no.

This was debated 2-3 months ago, with the conclusion I just said, I dont want to start that shit again for no reason.
I dont want people get confused here, when you argue about things like, he goes Vanilla or NTR.Because that's a preferency of new players when they come here.There a lot of threads with that shit.

So if you want to get serious, you must accept that. If you are just fucking around, then okay, you are just fucking around.


Going too far, is calling him scammer.

I am just being honest, and fair.No dev is a god, and no client is always right.

I gues I can agree to that.
The main Story Updates are normally focused on the Vanilla Story as true story and the NTR stuff as bad end or alternative path towards the end, yet it always seemed to me that Chyos had a tendency for the opposite direction with the Bonus scenes in order to make an NTR focused story and not just a bad end situation for the fans of that fetish.

I have to admit that I don't replay the older stuff regulary to consider how the Bonus scene stuff integrate into the normal Stories, so I might make false assumptions in some cases.

 

[Yotetar]

Nothing personal attached.

Like I said I am honest and being fair.

Discussing the credibility of a dev, because of his actions, is good, is part of the process. But wouldn't be fair, if we didnt put everything on the table, at least, if we are seriously discussing it.

I dont like dick-lickers that populate on discord.And I dont like people that vomits hate, just to make more hate.

So that's why I made the post above, to set things accordingly.

I am not going to defend anyone.

Was there things that make people rethink vanilla-NTR? Yes there was, that's why I summoned him.

Do you have more doubts? Great , let's discuss it, with everything on the table.
Do i have doubts? Yes I have my doubts too about his credibility.

And yes I still am patron and I still play the game.

 

[Wolf Larsen]

Discussing the credibility of a dev, because of his actions, is good, is part of the process. But wouldn't be fair, if we didnt put everything on the table, at least, if we are seriously discussing it.

There's nothing much else to be said.

I liked the content that I got from bonus scenes so far. There are not supposed to be big ass updates, but small ones.

The thing is, a lot of the suggestions selected seem to center around the idea of the appeal of a new NTR possibility, and then "here is a vanilla scene for you".

Let's talk about the next bonus scene suggestion, for example.

"If you reject Tia, you will get a new scene with her being more dominant".

Does that seem super appealing to you?

Or maybe it's the fact that there will be a new way for Dasan to cuck the MC?

I noticed that some of the bonus scenes (but not all of them, such as the threesomes) follow this pattern.

I did not complain here, however, because Chyos puts investment in the new animations for the vanilla scene. So I always get something.

Do I like some bonus scenes more than others? Yep. While I did not hate the Frisha one, I agree that was the weakest. Because it was mostly a rework or variation of something that already existed. No new events like threesomes or even Nyra.


What I truly dislike was Ophilia, as I said many times before.

But it's more because of the writing. Chyos decided to make the geeky girl look like a slut and pushed this concept down our throats. The NTR complaint here is Thomas's participation in it and that there's nothing we can do about it for now. It's not fun, it's annoying. It might piss you off if you are not on the NTR side of the force.

It's just my personal opinion on one update. Fortunately, there are many other girls besides that... urgh... Pia.

I guess those are all my thoughts on the matter.

 

[InTheWoods]

FPS=130, yet I have to wait as the text crawls slowly across the screen at each page. Deliberately slowing down the text is annoying!

 

[Wolf Larsen]

FPS=130, yet I have to wait as the text crawls slowly across the screen at each page. Deliberately slowing down the text is annoying!

It's because your computer is most likely a potato. I tried running this game on my old ass notebook that I forgot it existed, and yes, it's way slower when I am playing on my main PC. What helped was disabling the "synch monitor FPS" and enabling the "performance mode".

 

[JM24]

Guys, after I finished the Kurlic Trip Preparation quest, whenever I want to share Kate with Rick, she always gets upset and her affection decreases. Any idea why this is the case? I already corrupt her to max, but she has an affair with Thomas. Anything to do with that?

 

[Yotetar]

Well, I did my research so here we go:

About Frisha:

To be fair, Chyos made two things here:
-NTR scene withGrant, we know how this shit ends.
-Remake of the virginity scene with Frisha.
He didnt added a vanilla scene that's true, but he remade something.People will judge.

In my opinion like I said before: this was poorly made as a script, is a : "You not pay, we fuck" and throw all the relationshipyou build with frisha. To the toilet. It was told to Chyos, for what I know he gonna make the dialogue more clear. I dont know what he is gonna do about that. but the option of Frisha getting her own money, working with Verena to the toilet, so flush it with honor.

About Pia:

Honestly I didnt get a forced NTR, she didnt sleep with him. She is my girlfriend, the corruption is not high, and I didnt steal thomas money.If you steal his money iot is said thomas will fuck her.
I dont like her being "bitchy", dancing(it is... not good.)Her dress is not my like, or her hair. I liked more the ponytail with glasses, but that's just a personal preference.

I dont know if being more bitchy because of her situation it is what you dont like. I dont like it too. But Chyos said that the path on this is kicking out Thomas(when you advance of Arianna quest), so I dont know, maybe it feels incomplete because of that.

About Tia:
This is what it is said:

Tia (+158): If the MC neglects her in his hut too often she will get more demanding for sex (new scene). If on Dasan's route and the MC still neglects her she will seek pleasure from him. (There will also be an optional path where Dasan charms Tia before the MC claims her)

I expect Tia acting like an orc. Being demanding, it is repetitive(because we saw it everywhere you sleep with her), and of course will be with high corruption. I dont like it, but it stills be Vanilla with NTR so what I am gonna say? that's on personal choices.

I personally think that the bonus scenes are being burned, you know what they say: "you can stretch the gum, but it has their limits".
And because he is spending less time on Main branches, and more on bonus branches, with adding more and more options, the quality will fall. It is not complex science, its maths.
He should spend more time on main? Yes and it was said.
Like it was said that the pity votes are a patch not a solution, and it was flushed in the toilet.The consequence of this: A pathetic attemp with a picture of Bianca asking for votes, that even with pity votes, will lose against Arianna.It is embarrasing, a joke, and a huge mistake of the dev.

Will Chyos do whatever he wants even if you explain it with logic, reasons and proof?Always did.

And one more thing: When developers gets more money that they need, they get comfy, when they get comfy they make mistakes, because they are not under the pressure of: "If I fuck it, I will get nothing to eat." Sadly patreon is not like legal contracts around the world, where if you fuck it, you get fired.So unless a lot of patrons are on the side of being professional and not being a dick-licker, nothing will be done.

I am hungry.

 

[vidyasagar]

Latest saves for ntr route and non ntr please because my save files are crashed..

 

[Wolf Larsen]

Well, I did my research so here we go:

About Frisha:

To be fair, Chyos made two things here:
-NTR scene withGrant, we know how this shit ends.
-Remake of the virginity scene with Frisha.
He didnt added a vanilla scene that's true, but he remade something.People will judge.

The fact that it's a remake, not a new scene, it's the most "underdelivering" aspect. I think I saw people o Discord asking "what happens when I paid her debt?" and Chyos was like, "if you are already her boyfriend, yeh, you didn't actually need to do the quest". I wouldn't call it bad, just a weak update. As I said, I did enjoy the rework.

I dont know if being more bitchy because of her situation it is what you dont like. I dont like it too. But Chyos said that the path on this is kicking out Thomas(when you advance of Arianna quest), so I dont know, maybe it feels incomplete because of that.

So maybe sticking her in this situation was a bit of a bad idea. And as I said, I didn't like the direction he went with the character ("tavern wench"). I tolerate Kate because that's how she was introduced to us, and then there is this perspective of character development, that things will change for her. But Ophilia was changed for the worst and that's how things will stay for quite some time. Thomas, NTR Bastard Nº 3 being in the middle of everything just makes things sour. There are three main girls working for him now. It is what it is. Heaven for NTR fans. A joke in very ill taste for the vanilla fans.

About Tia:
This is what it is said:

Tia (+158): If the MC neglects her in his hut too often she will get more demanding for sex (new scene). If on Dasan's route and the MC still neglects her she will seek pleasure from him. (There will also be an optional path where Dasan charms Tia before the MC claims her)

I expect Tia acting like an orc. Being demanding, it is repetitive(because we saw it everywhere you sleep with her), and of course will be with high corruption. I dont like it, but it stills be Vanilla with NTR so what I am gonna say? that's on personal choices.

The parenthesis in the description is what started a debate in this thread some time ago (my fault, maybe?). It does feel like this path will have way more focus for the NTR fans, and Tia is a disgusting bitch that can easily trigger the NTR route. Chyos was excited to do this scene because of this new NTR aspect, he didn't hide that.

I don't care that the NTR fans get their fun. It's when it starts to get into my fun it is that bothers me. I will be judging with a sniper rifle this update.

Like it was said that the pity votes are a patch not a solution, and it was flushed in the toilet.The consequence of this: A pathetic attemp with a picture of Bianca asking for votes, that even with pity votes, will lose against Arianna.It is embarrasing, a joke, and a huge mistake of the dev.

Yep.

 

[RevGen10]

Latest saves for ntr route and non ntr please because my save files are crashed..

no. either take the save linked on the first page or leave it.

 

[RevGen10]

An issue with bonus scenes that I can see happening...is that people will run out of ideas lol. last cycle there weren't many ideas being suggested (there's only a few patreons that suggest things on the discord...). The option that gets the least number of votes in the prevote ends up scrapped and either modified or swapped out for a new option. I'd be fine with chyos just adding stuff he had to cut from other releases (like the new ayita/hiba option he put in because of lack of other ideas).

So maybe sticking her in this situation was a bit of a bad idea. And as I said, I didn't like the direction he went with the character ("tavern wench"). I tolerate Kate because that's how she was introduced to us, and then there is this perspective of character development, that things will change for her. But Ophilia was changed for the worst and that's how things will stay for quite some time. Thomas, NTR Bastard Nº 3 being in the middle of everything just makes things sour. There are three main girls working for him now. It is what it is. Heaven for NTR fans. A joke in very ill taste for the vanilla fans.

I'd assume that sooner we can actually go to kirlic and/or investigate the cult, the sooner we can get rid of thomas...unless arianna's quest gets a lot more popularity, the earliest it will win jan-march 2023.

I just wanna get rid of thomas...and lucius...and dave...and giron...and joseph...and edward?...
we can already kill dasan in multiple ways and we can kick out henry. I just want to get rid of the rest of these assholes. that's not too much to ask.

 

[yazda]

The fact that it's a remake, not a new scene, it's the most "underdelivering" aspect. I think I saw people o Discord asking "what happens when I paid her debt?" and Chyos was like, "if you are already her boyfriend, yeh, you didn't actually need to do the quest". I wouldn't call it bad, just a weak update. As I said, I did enjoy the rework.




So maybe sticking her in this situation was a bit of a bad idea. And as I said, I didn't like the direction he went with the character ("tavern wench"). I tolerate Kate because that's how she was introduced to us, and then there is this perspective of character development, that things will change for her. But Ophilia was changed for the worst and that's how things will stay for quite some time. Thomas, NTR Bastard Nº 3 being in the middle of everything just makes things sour. There are three main girls working for him now. It is what it is. Heaven for NTR fans. A joke in very ill taste for the vanilla fans.



The parenthesis in the description is what started a debate in this thread some time ago (my fault, maybe?). It does feel like this path will have way more focus for the NTR fans, and Tia is a disgusting bitch that can easily trigger the NTR route. Chyos was excited to do this scene because of this new NTR aspect, he didn't hide that.

I don't care that the NTR fans get their fun. It's when it starts to get into my fun it is that bothers me. I will be judging with a sniper rifle this update.



Yep.

Tia is the best bitch ever. All you NTR haters are missing the best part of the game.