RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.5] [Chyos]

[Lupiscanis]

Are you not kidding? One option means one big update? Like 0.6.1 --- 0.6.2? If so, I think it would cost him three to five years. Rpg on php is outdated right now, in three years we should use absolutely new technologies. Chyos seems to be a good guy but he'd better start a new game to be actual. Here appears to be the endless world, I'd rather die than see the whole game. And the dev himself is not young...

Part of the reason the last update took so long is because there was an issue with a crash and lost data. The next option he's doing is adding an entirely new area that's going to be the focus of much of the end-game as far as I'm aware.

If you want to bitch about a developer who routinely pauses subs for a month if he's taking a break (and then works for a couple of weeks during that paused month) and who's reliable and consistent about communication and updates then that's your business I guess, but ASWS is not fucking Summertime Saga or Newlife so I'd chill out if I were you.

 

[GingerBreadchen]

Please just die then, since that is your wish.

No one who cares about this game coming to a satisfying end expects it to be finished in a year or two. Yes, even at only a few month intervals between major updates (and it will be more than that) there is already more than a couple years worth of known projected content.

Personally I would quite being a subscriber of his if he switched from the current trajectory to what you are wanting.

I'm a game developer myself and it is quite strange to hear 'die yourself' from an addict player. As I don't have a PC on Windows, I'm seeing the game from time to time. I can mark weak points: the plot of the game goes difficult to understand, endless new characters with the same features and options will force people to quit sooner than later. Also, a slow and outdated engine. And, last but not least, it is very difficult do maintain such a huge amount of data by just one dev. He reads posts here and I hope he is able to understand that 2-3 years is the limit for the game to be finished

 

[Knight6797]

I'm a game developer myself and it is quite strange to hear 'die yourself' from an addict player. As I don't have a PC on Windows, I'm seeing the game from time to time. I can mark weak points: the plot of the game goes difficult to understand, endless new characters with the same features and options will force people to quit sooner than later. And, last but not least, it is very difficult do maintain such a huge amount of data by just one dev. He reads posts here and I hope he is able to understand that 2-3 years is the limit for the game to finish

Seems that you have no idea about game development then, or you're maybe just not fit for this game. The plot is not hard to understand at all and I don't see any reason why "endless characters" would make people quit. People want as much content as possible and I didn't see anyone complaining about the volume of the game before. Chyos knows what he's doing as he has been for the last years developing this game.

 

[exazubi]

I'm a game developer myself and it is quite strange to hear 'die yourself' from an addict player. As I don't have a PC on Windows, I'm seeing the game from time to time. I can mark weak points: the plot of the game goes difficult to understand, endless new characters with the same features and options will force people to quit sooner than later. Also, a slow and outdated engine. And, last but not least, it is very difficult do maintain such a huge amount of data by just one dev. He reads posts here and I hope he is able to understand that 2-3 years is the limit for the game to be finished

I can't agree with that. The plot isn't difficult to understand at all. The developer of this game has created its own game world, similar to most fantasy authors who create more or less complex worlds, with their own rules, entire religions, magical abilities, their possibilities and limitations, in which their characters' actions take place. And once this foundation has progressed far enough, it is not difficult to add more and more characters without losing the thread, if you just proceed skillfully according to plan.

It's certainly not a game you can just play for five minutes and figure out immediately. No, you really have to engage with it, immerse yourself in the game world. And once you've gotten there, many people are so fascinated and hooked that you almost just want to keep playing, because you want to know what will happen next. That's exactly how the game is designed.

So far, I can't see any players losing interest; in fact, the opposite is true.

I'm even working on my own walkthrough. It's currently on hold because I'm busy with personal matters and am also writing a book fatasy novel (has nothing to do with this game), which also consumes a lot of time, but I'll be continuing soon. And I would never do something like that if a game didn't fascinate me.

By the way, I think your prediction that the game will take another 2-3 years to complete is unrealistic. Sure, the developer is setting an enormous pace in development and still delivers consistently high quality. I've only encountered a few critical bugs so far – that's incredible! But based on the way the game is developing so far, I'm relatively certain it will take a few more years. And that's perfectly fine, because the content and quality are impressive!

 

[Apartment817]

I'd rather die than see the whole game.

I'm a game developer myself and it is quite strange to hear 'die yourself' from an addict player.

I agree it is an idiotic thing to say. I referenced you saying it to highlight that fact.

Your feigning heartache over me saying it back to you tells me I have already wasted too much time addressing your baseless crocodile tears.

 

[Lupiscanis]

I can mark weak points: the plot of the game goes difficult to understand,

There are two separate walkthroughs (the text file in the game and

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online) and if you have a question the discord will happily help.

endless new characters with the same features and options will force people to quit sooner than later.

I'm not sure why you think new content will make people quit, nor are there 'endless new characters'. The last 'big' character dump was the monastery, but the characters were necessary and the only female characters added had a small arc each but nothing significant (and will probably be expanded on at some point).

Kirlic likewise is going to have a lot of new characters I would imagine as it's a large hub but what would you prefer? Lifeless areas that make no sense?

Also, a slow and outdated engine.

Okay? I don't see why you think it's slow, but RPGM is widely used because it's accessible. Games are developed in it all the time.

And, last but not least, it is very difficult do maintain such a huge amount of data by just one dev. He reads posts here and I hope he is able to understand that 2-3 years is the limit for the game to be finished

The limit? According to whom? There are many, many games on this site that have been developed over more than 2-3 years. Popularity is not necessarily a good metric, but Eternum, the highest game by weighted rating on the site was released in 2021, the second highest, pale carnations was released in 2020. Both are still in development.

 

[Chii]

People get reeeeeeeeally defensive when they see an opinion they don't agree with

On the way to Kirlic

Now, moving on to the next update, one I’ve been looking forward to for quite some time. Honestly, I was hoping to start working on it much earlier, even last year. I want to talk a bit about my goals for it, since not everyone may have seen my messages on Discord.
The main focus will be on the MC’s storyline. As you might remember, you found Marcus’ letter in the basement of his house, pointing toward an investigation in Kirlic. That’s where the main story focus will be. Naturally, that means I’ll need to create the city itself, an inn, and a few smaller surrounding locations. I’ve already started roughing out the layout for the city and will keep refining it over the coming week. If things go well, I might be able to show a preview image next week.
I’ll probably split the city across multiple maps and expand it in later updates. There will also be a small quest required to unlock access to the city and the journey there.
Then of course, there will be new NPCs, which means creating new models for them. I won’t be introducing all the new characters at once, that would simply be too much for 0.6.2.0. As for scenes, I’ll be working on ones focused on the group members, meaning Tia, Lyvia, and Bianca, maybe even someone new, we’ll see. The idea is that the animations would then also work to invite them into the MC's house, we will see if that works out or turns out too much work.

Now about the next content poll. Since the work on the 0.6.2.0 update has now started I want to also launch the next content poll in the coming week. And since Kirlic will then be implemtend I can finally introduce options that are related to it. In the past I made prevotes about what option will be added to the poll on discord, today I want to do it here so that everyone has access to it:

Liandra: Depending on your route, you’ll travel to Kirlic to meet her father. In the end, this will lead to her returning there one way or another, either as Dave’s wife or not. I’ll be implementing the Baron’s villa in Kirlic along with his household.
Melissa: She’s in open conflict with the Crow. Depending on the route, she might even have been kidnapped and will need to be rescued. Her storyline will revolve around the brothel in Kirlic.
Sabrina: Ever since she became Gwen’s apprentice, she’s been driven by thoughts of revenge. When she suddenly disappears, it’s clear where she’s gone, to Kirlic’s university to settle the score with her former headmaster. I’ll be adding the university to Kirlic, along with a few new students there.
Frisha: It’s time for Frisha to finally get married. Depending on the route, that might not just be the MC’s intention but also Giron’s (he couldn't have Emily, now he wants her daughter). The focus here will be on deciding the future of Arenfield and who will be in charge moving forward.
Kate & Claire: Preparations for smuggling into Kirlic are complete, and it’s time to uncover what Kate’s father was hiding. Depending on earlier choices, this could lead to a confrontation with her father’s associates. One of the other key goals for this update is Kate’s wedding with the MC and a completion of her storyline.

Ophilia: It’s time to investigate the disappearance of her father in Kirlic. Did he go into hiding, or was he murdered? The goal will be to follow the trail and uncover the mystery behind his disappearance. Will also lead to more content for her around the inn in Arenfield.
Unlike the usual content polls, there can only be one winner this time, and the votes won’t be carried over for the next pre-vote. I’ll keep this poll open over the weekend, and early next week I’ll launch the next content poll adding the option that won (votes on patreon and Subscribestar will be counted together).

That is all for now, thank you all for reading (was a lot of text this time)
And I wish you all a nice weekend!

The new options are quite exciting with the opening up of kirlic and I wonder how they will fare against the older ones once they are added to the normal poll.
We're also seeing a new tug on the main story which is always nice. Kudos on Chyos to keep excited about his own work.

 

[exazubi]

The limit? According to whom? There are many, many games on this site that have been developed over more than 2-3 years. Popularity is not necessarily a good metric, but Eternum, the highest game by weighted rating on the site was released in 2021, the second highest, pale carnations was released in 2020. Both are still in development.

Correct. We remember, for example, DMD, which was in development for at least seven years, with interruptions. And also relatively huge in Great Britain. And still in the end it was... well ... i'll be polite: there are better. BaDik isn't much younger either, and still inspires me today.

And I can think of several others. And most of them have considerably less content than "Struggle with Sin." And the amount of new content this game gets every year, especially in this quality, I don't know of a single developer that can even come close to keeping up. There is really no reason to complain here

 

[GingerBreadchen]

I can't agree with that. The plot isn't difficult to understand at all. The developer of this game has created its own game world, similar to most fantasy authors who create more or less complex worlds, with their own rules, entire religions, magical abilities, their possibilities and limitations, in which their characters' actions take place. And once this foundation has progressed far enough, it is not difficult to add more and more characters without losing the thread, if you just proceed skillfully according to plan.

It's certainly not a game you can just play for five minutes and figure out immediately. No, you really have to engage with it, immerse yourself in the game world. And once you've gotten there, many people are so fascinated and hooked that you almost just want to keep playing, because you want to know what will happen next. That's exactly how the game is designed.

So far, I can't see any players losing interest; in fact, the opposite is true.

I'm even working on my own walkthrough. It's currently on hold because I'm busy with personal matters and am also writing a book fatasy novel (has nothing to do with this game), which also consumes a lot of time, but I'll be continuing soon. And I would never do something like that if a game didn't fascinate me.

By the way, I think your prediction that the game will take another 2-3 years to complete is unrealistic. Sure, the developer is setting an enormous pace in development and still delivers consistently high quality. I've only encountered a few critical bugs so far – that's incredible! But based on the way the game is developing so far, I'm relatively certain it will take a few more years. And that's perfectly fine, because the content and quality are impressive!

For younger players, it is too much. Probably, for the dev's peers it is more acceptable. I wish him all the best, and especially to hire new people (not me, I'm into Android) for help.

 

[exazubi]

For younger players, it is too much. Probably, for the dev's peers it is more acceptable. I wish him all the best, and especially to hire new people (not me, I'm into Android) for help.

First of all, the game is generally designed for older players, this starts with the rather spicy content, such as NTR, which appeals more to an older audience. For young guys who just want to jerk off and see bare skin quickly, it's actually rather unsuitable.

And why would the developer need more people? In case you haven't noticed: the game receives regular updates, several times a year, and in pretty good quality. So everything is going well. "If anything isn't broken, don't fix it."

 

[GingerBreadchen]

First of all, the game is generally designed for older players, this starts with the rather spicy content, such as NTR, which appeals more to an older audience. For young guys who just want to jerk off and see bare skin quickly, it's actually rather unsuitable.

And why would the developer need more people? In case you haven't noticed: the game receives regular updates, several times a year, and in pretty good quality. So everything is going well. "If anything isn't broken, don't fix it."

He said it about a year ago. Ok, we go further. There is nothing to discuss

 

[exazubi]

What's this "made for older audience" with getting cucked and sharing?, that just sounds like projecting.
Because I have never seen more cuck and sharing stuff then now and the past 5-8 years and it's mostly young guys or that super cheesy anime related stuff.
With a good amount of the content being about the milfs and older ladies [and their daughters], that might be made for older audience.

This will certainly be deleted because it is off topic, but maybe it will be here long enough for you to read it.

Quite simply:
Although this is technically an adult forum, many of the people here are teenagers. Teenagers are just beginning to explore their sexuality, or they don't have any yet; it depends on their age and circumstances. And logically, young people have very different sexual fantasies than older people like me, in my 40s, So yes, it is partly a projection on myself, I admit that.

"Older People" like me are firmly established in their careers, away from their parents' home, sometimes married, with children, definitely advanced in their life path, in any case people who have long since shed their horns, also with an advanced wealth of sexual experience.

And there is a tendency (not always) for "older people" to have different sexual fantasies than younger people, regardless of whether they actually want to act on them or not.

Young people more tend to like the vanilla stuff, and the stuff they're "the only dick around".

"Older people" are often (not fundamentally) more open-minded, spicy stuff, e.g. bondage stuff, sharing, NTR, taboo content in general, and much more, since they are already well-versed in real life and know the vanilla stuff well enough in person, so that tastes become more sophisticated.

"Older people" also tend to play challenging games where things don't get going right away, because they appreciate good stories and suspense, while younger people tend to be impatient and want to get straight to the point.

And that's why I said: this game is more made towards an "older audience." This is not meant to be rude at all. Of course, there are also young people who like more unusual, spicy stuff, but they tend to be people my age, or even older.

 

[storm1105]

This will certainly be deleted because it is off topic, but maybe it will be here long enough for you to read it.

Quite simply:
Although this is technically an adult forum, many of the people here are teenagers. Teenagers are just beginning to explore their sexuality, or they don't have any yet; it depends on their age and circumstances. And logically, young people have very different sexual fantasies than older people like me, in my 40s, So yes, it is partly a projection on myself, I admit that.

"Older People" like me are firmly established in their careers, away from their parents' home, sometimes married, with children, definitely advanced in their life path, in any case people who have long since shed their horns, also with an advanced wealth of sexual experience.

And there is a tendency (not always) for "older people" to have different sexual fantasies than younger people, regardless of whether they actually want to act on them or not.

Young people more tend to like the vanilla stuff, and the stuff they're "the only dick around".

"Older people" are often (not fundamentally) more open-minded, spicy stuff, e.g. bondage stuff, sharing, NTR, taboo content in general, and much more, since they are already well-versed in real life and know the vanilla stuff well enough in person, so that tastes become more sophisticated.

"Older people" also tend to play challenging games where things don't get going right away, because they appreciate good stories and suspense, while younger people tend to be impatient and want to get straight to the point.

And that's why I said: this game is more made towards an "older audience." This is not meant to be rude at all. Of course, there are also young people who like more unusual, spicy stuff, but they tend to be people my age, or even older.

I can guarantee you that none of this is true and that most of the primary consumers for the more taboo themed stuff tend to be on the younger side(one of the reason why the majority of it is milf/stepmom stuff and not stepdaughter). It's 100% a case by case thing when it comes to most fetishes and not an "older person vs younger person" type of thing. A young person might be more willing to try new thing just to see if they like it while an older person might be more stuck in their ways and reject the more non traditional fetishes. I've seen a lot of your comments where you tend to apply your own experiences to an overall generalization when a lot of this stuff is really more case by case and not really effected by age.

 

[TheGrandMasterCory]

"Older people" also tend to play challenging games where things don't get going right away, because they appreciate good stories and suspense, while younger people tend to be impatient and want to get straight to the point.

This actually isn't true. In fact, what you're saying here, is often the opposite of the truth.

Often times, older people are less willing than younger ones to play challenging games that require massive time sinks.

This is primarily due to two reasons:

1. As you get older, your duties and responsibilities grow and expand (think of jobs to perform, families to take care of, and households to maintain), which means you tend to have less free time to waste. For example, generally speaking, only younger individuals have the luxury of wasting an entire summer playing video games.
2. As you get older, you tend to place way more value on your free time which makes sense. Someone who works a job and gets paid is going to put a much higher price on their limited free time than someone who is unemployed and therefore has seemingly unlimited free time.

Because of these 2 factors, older individuals generally have less patience for games that require a massive amount of time investment to get good at or to start really having fun in.

 

[icecreamman99]

This will certainly be deleted because it is off topic, but maybe it will be here long enough for you to read it.

Quite simply:
Although this is technically an adult forum, many of the people here are teenagers. Teenagers are just beginning to explore their sexuality, or they don't have any yet; it depends on their age and circumstances. And logically, young people have very different sexual fantasies than older people like me, in my 40s, So yes, it is partly a projection on myself, I admit that.

"Older People" like me are firmly established in their careers, away from their parents' home, sometimes married, with children, definitely advanced in their life path, in any case people who have long since shed their horns, also with an advanced wealth of sexual experience.

And there is a tendency (not always) for "older people" to have different sexual fantasies than younger people, regardless of whether they actually want to act on them or not.

Young people more tend to like the vanilla stuff, and the stuff they're "the only dick around".

"Older people" are often (not fundamentally) more open-minded, spicy stuff, e.g. bondage stuff, sharing, NTR, taboo content in general, and much more, since they are already well-versed in real life and know the vanilla stuff well enough in person, so that tastes become more sophisticated.

"Older people" also tend to play challenging games where things don't get going right away, because they appreciate good stories and suspense, while younger people tend to be impatient and want to get straight to the point.

What?
from tinder being a fuck fest, to throuples, poly and open relations, to toys and tool assisted kinks, camgirls and onlyfans, to swinging and what ever else that someone may be into.
This time recently has been a time of sexual openness and exploration, you can't even compare the how often and the variety stuff people get into in like the past ten years. I remember watching playboy and the spice channel on the B side of the cable tv, porn wasn't that crazy back and the kinks people were into fucking around wasn't that crazy or never spoke up. You can easily find some 20something that's into stuff that no one was doing or even thought of 15+ plus years ago.

I mean it's not even surprising to hear that some college students or people of that age in some committed poly relation.

and

Young people more tend to like the vanilla stuff, and the stuff they're "the only dick around".

"Older people" are often (not fundamentally) more open-minded, spicy stuff, e.g. bondage stuff, sharing, NTR, taboo content in general, and much more, since they are already well-versed in real life and know the vanilla stuff well enough in person, so that tastes become more sophisticated.

"Older people" also tend to play challenging games where things don't get going right away, because they appreciate good stories and suspense, while younger people tend to be impatient and want to get straight to the point.

And that's why I said: this game is more made towards an "older audience." This is not meant to be rude at all. Of course, there are also young people who like more unusual, spicy stuff, but they tend to be people my age, or even older.

That's projecting
["Older people" are often (not fundamentally) more open-minded, spicy stuff, e.g. bondage stuff, sharing, NTR, taboo content in general, and much more, since they are already well-versed in real life and know the vanilla stuff well enough in person, so that tastes become more sophisticated.]
and this was funny, lmao

Probably the only thing you expect from older people is that they already know how to fuck but even then I had some mediocre experiences. Shit varies with experience but i do know kink and fetishes are now a days are all over the place and much more open.

 

[Lupiscanis]

I think that we're getting wildly offtopic here but I also think that people are being highly subjective also.

As far as I'm aware, studies suggest that in general :

1) Younger people have a wider display of kinks. Older people are more vanilla.
2) 30-55 year olds have more responsibilities and prefer easier to pick up/put down games and mobile gaming.
3) 40+ year olds who have a long history in gaming tend to gravitate towards strategy/simulation/MMO games with longer play arcs even if it eats up their free time (or because they have more of it).

These are of course generalisations and people are people.

More importantly, none of this really matters because you shouldn't pigeonhole people in the same way that you shouldn't kinkshame.

 

[icecreamman99]

fucking porn hub probably has the stats somewhere

 

[Apartment817]

This actually isn't true. In fact, what you're saying here, is often the opposite of the truth.

Often times, older people are less willing than younger individuals to play challenging games that require massive time sinks.

This is primarily due to two reasons:

1. As you get older, your duties and responsibilities grow and expand (think of jobs to perform, families to take care of, and households to maintain), which means you tend to have less free time to waste. For example, generally speaking, only younger individuals have the luxury of wasting an entire summer playing video games.
2. As you get older, you tend to place way more value on your free time which makes sense. Someone who works a job and gets paid is going to put a much higher price on their limited free time than someone who is unemployed and therefore has seemingly unlimited free time.

Because of these 2 factors, older individuals generally have less patience for games that require a massive amount of time investment to get good at or to start really having fun in.

Go pick up a switch or an emulator, then beat a handful of NES titles. The Legend of Zelda II is a good one for this.

Then tell me older people don't know more challenging games.

Difficulty is baked in our DNA, it's the only kind of game that existed forty years ago.

 

[exazubi]

This actually isn't true. In fact, what you're saying here, is often the opposite of the truth.

Often times, older people are less willing than younger individuals to play challenging games that require massive time sinks.

This is primarily due to two reasons:

1. As you get older, your duties and responsibilities grow and expand (think of jobs to perform, families to take care of, and households to maintain), which means you tend to have less free time to waste. For example, generally speaking, only younger individuals have the luxury of wasting an entire summer playing video games.
2. As you get older, you tend to place way more value on your free time which makes sense. Someone who works a job and gets paid is going to put a much higher price on their limited free time than someone who is unemployed and therefore has seemingly unlimited free time.

Because of these 2 factors, older individuals generally have less patience for games that require a massive amount of time investment to get good at or to start really having fun in.

That may be your opinion, and I respect that.

But then you explain to me the following:

Why do you tend to find people around 40+ at nudist beaches, rarely younger ones? How about about fetish clubs or swinger couples? There, you'll find people practically, almost without exception, well over the age of 20. The hottest, most exclusive clubs are home to the richest and most powerful members of high society, who have a much fuller schedule than the two of us combined. Do you think that's a coincidence? No, it's not.

People who are past the basics are no longer as easily aroused as younger people. To break out of the routine, they seek out new and exciting things, to broaden their horizons. And this spice-up often costs money, a lot of money. Money that younger people are less likely to have.

Let's talk aobut something "smaler": How about lingerie, or love toys? If you haven't already, take a look online, how much it costs. It's not cheap. How many young people can afford it? Ask in the relevant stores who their main customers are. I assure you, it's not the college boys/girls.

 

[storm1105]

Why do you tend to find people around 40+ at nudist beaches, rarely younger ones? How about about fetish clubs or swinger couples? There, you'll find people practically, almost without exception, well over the age of 20. The hottest, most exclusive clubs are home to the richest and most powerful members of high society, who have a much fuller schedule than the two of us combined. Do you think that's a coincidence? No, it's not.

Ok you really really don't know what you're talking about. For the swinger part is because most of those swingers are people who have been married for x amount of years and got bored after like 20 something years of marriage. Young people are less likely to be in a commited relationship. People get married a lot older now than they used too now a days it's more common to get married in late 20s/early 30s rather than early 20s like how it was 30 years ago. Young people are more likely to form poly relationships though. As for nudists beach those aren't really a sexual thing and most young people don't like to visit because they don't want to see some 60 year old fat naked dudes on the beach. The club point I have no idea what your point is at all, more wealthy people have more means to pursue their fetishes that's not an age thing. Like I said you're logic seems to be "I'm a middle aged man and I'm like this there for most middle aged people are like this"

Let's talk aobut something "smaler": How about lingerie, or love toys? If you haven't already, take a look online, how much it costs. It's not cheap. How many young people can afford it?

Young people not being able to afford it has nothing to do with whether or not they like it