RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.5] [Chyos]

[Baldy_Sinz]

When Kirlik? I want more new adventures

next yeaaar

 

[Jonson]

My problem with the way this game start force you to play "Netorare" even look like the will resuscitate Dasan for the next update for Katherin updated. I wish the developer keep his on world on the start of the game. "NETORARE: serves as only punishment in the game for failing objectives (it's always avoidable) OK you can have the option to disable it.but you can always play "DARK SOULS" with a trainer but never will be the same.

 

[Apartment817]

My problem with the way this game start force you to play "Netorare" even look like the will resuscitate Dasan for the next update for Katherin updated. I wish the developer keep his on world on the start of the game. "NETORARE: serves as only punishment in the game for failing objectives (it's always avoidable) OK you can have the option to disable it.but you can always play "DARK SOULS" with a trainer but never will be the same.

Man, why are you upset? Nothing is forcing you to play netorare, either you can chose to see the scene with the MC, or you can chose to have Dasan involved.

It will be the same scene, just different dick doing the fucking.

How is that you being forced to play it? Are you "forced" because you just really want to see Dasan fuck? If you don't, it's simple, don't.

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The mods just cleared out all of the last NTR-phobes posts, and like clock work a new one popped up.

 

[Kananartans]

Man, why are you upset? Nothing is forcing you to play netorare, either you can chose to see the scene with the MC, or you can chose to have Dasan involved.

It will be the same scene, just different dick doing the fucking.

How is that you being forced to play it? Are you "forced" because you just really want to see Dasan fuck? If you don't, it's simple, don't.

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The mods just cleared out all of the last NTR-phobes posts, and like clock work a new one popped up.

I am an NTR hater and I don't have a problem with this game. Some times even I can't understand other NTR haters.

 

[Knight6797]

Imo ASWS handles NTR the best way possible. Switch to turn it off, entirely avoidable and especially mostly tied to actively messing up. After all, the world in ASWS is dynamic and you can influence it in many ways, those degrees of freedom are what make this game special.

 

[Ottoeight]

I am an NTR hater and I don't have a problem with this game. Some times even I can't understand other NTR haters.

The reason why non-ntr fans hate ntr so much is that everytime an author starts adding ntr content in his/her/their game, ntr fans start pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing for more ntr content until ntr content becomes the focus of the game.
After that, non-ntr fans start losing interest and leave, ntr fans start monopolising the game and the game itself is doomed.

That's what has been happening with this game as well. The reason why Kate, Tia and Rumah have more content is that they have more ntr content related: Kirlic (Kate & Claire) and Rumah (Tia and the Rumah chick because of Dasan and the orcs) always win the poll because of their ntr content.
Same with the bonus scene polls.

The problem is NOT ntr. The problem is ntr fans.

 

[toto444]

hi, i got to the point where the mc can have sex with katherin in the wild while she's gathering herbs, the problem is that the scene is always side-missionary.
i don't know what i'm missing to unlock doggystile, ntr disabled. 17a 17c. thanks.

 

[Apartment817]

The reason why non-ntr fans hate ntr so much is that everytime an author starts adding ntr content in his/her/their game, ntr fans start pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing for more ntr content until ntr content becomes the focus of the game.
After that, non-ntr fans start losing interest and leave, ntr fans start monopolising the game and the game itself is doomed.

That's what has been happening with this game as well. The reason why Kate, Tia and Rumah have more content is that they have more ntr content related: Kirlic (Kate & Claire) and Rumah (Tia and the Rumah chick because of Dasan and the orcs) always win the poll because of their ntr content.
Same with the bonus scene polls.

The problem is NOT ntr. The problem is ntr fans.

It's not all NTR haters, it is some NTR phobes.

The Old Boar was implemented back in v0.5.8.0 on April 27, 2024, which was a year and a half ago. Kate had no NTR added with that. Claire got the option to be spit roasted with the MC and Bjorn. Two new locations for Claire to have a variety of positions (mainly anal) and one room with Kate that had a new threesome with her mom, and a new solo scene.

Carmen also had a few scenes, while she is cheating on Bjorn he isn't involved in any of the scenes so not really NTR.

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Nyra's scenes in the hut (which can be the MC instead of Dasan) where added with v0.5.6.8 on December 29, 2023.

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Kirlic won because of so much more than just getting more NTR for Kate and Claire, hell these option couldn't even be added until Kirlic was established.

And since Kirlic will then be implemtend I can finally introduce options that are related to it. In the past I made prevotes about what option will be added to the poll on discord, today I want to do it here so that everyone has access to it:

Liandra: Depending on your route, you’ll travel to Kirlic to meet her father. In the end, this will lead to her returning there one way or another, either as Dave’s wife or not. I’ll be implementing the Baron’s villa in Kirlic along with his household.

Melissa: She’s in open conflict with the Crow. Depending on the route, she might even have been kidnapped and will need to be rescued. Her storyline will revolve around the brothel in Kirlic.

Sabrina: Ever since she became Gwen’s apprentice, she’s been driven by thoughts of revenge. When she suddenly disappears, it’s clear where she’s gone, to Kirlic’s university to settle the score with her former headmaster. I’ll be adding the university to Kirlic, along with a few new students there.

Frisha: It’s time for Frisha to finally get married. Depending on the route, that might not just be the MC’s intention but also Giron’s (he couldn't have Emily, now he wants her daughter). The focus here will be on deciding the future of Arenfield and who will be in charge moving forward.

Kate & Claire: Preparations for smuggling into Kirlic are complete, and it’s time to uncover what Kate’s father was hiding. Depending on earlier choices, this could lead to a confrontation with her father’s associates. One of the other key goals for this update is Kate’s wedding with the MC and a completion of her storyline.

Ophilia: It’s time to investigate the disappearance of her father in Kirlic. Did he go into hiding, or was he murdered? The goal will be to follow the trail and uncover the mystery behind his disappearance. Will also lead to more content for her around the inn in Arenfield.
Unlike the usual content polls, there can only be one winner this time, and the votes won’t be carried over for the next pre-vote. I’ll keep this poll open over the weekend, and early next week I’ll launch the next content poll adding the option that won (votes on patreon and Subscribestar will be counted together).

Frisha, Melissa and Pia are probably my three favorite models (Verena might be my favorite), as you can see all three of their vanilla story lines needed Kirlic.

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Before that poll Arianna won with the description " her state is getting worse! It's time to act and infiltrate the cult. You will join their ranks and find out more about their motivations. There has to be a cure for Arianna and you will find it."

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Before that Bianca and Gavina won off the description "Now that you are aware of the threat in the mine you have to do something about it. The dark elves rely on their goblin servants, it is time to rob them of this source of labor!"

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Before that Penny won from the description "Now that the farm is running again it's time to consider reclaiming her lost farmland. But will the Coldstone family be willing to give it back? It's time to negotiate and to visit their estate to the SE of Arenfield."

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Then you finally get to where Kate and Claire won. And like I mentioned, there isn't even any Netorare in that update, only Netorase.

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The problem is folks like you making ish up, and distorting reality.

 

[Apartment817]

hi, i got to the point where the mc can have sex with katherin in the wild while she's gathering herbs, the problem is that the scene is always side-missionary.
i don't know what i'm missing to unlock doggystile, ntr disabled. 17a 17c. thanks.

I just tried it myself, and with just me and Bianca in the party I had no option to change positions, just the sideways missionary.

When I go to her with the full party the only option is to fuck Katherin doggy while Lyvia sucks the MC's fingers, or fuck Lyvia while Katherin plays with Lyvia's butt.

 

[toto444]

I just tried it myself, and with just me and Bianca in the party I had no option to change positions, just the sideways missionary.

When I go to her with the full party the only option is to fuck Katherin doggy while Lyvia sucks the MC's fingers, or fuck Lyvia while Katherin plays with Lyvia's butt.

ah ok, i thought it was available while solo. like a random event, sometime missionary sometime doggy. thanks for the reply, at least it's clear now.

 

[Lupiscanis]

That's what has been happening with this game as well.

NTR has existed since the earliest versions of the game. This is not a game that has had NTR 'shoehorned in'.

Also, not to mention the fact that you can play an entire playthrough without encountering NTR since there's an option to turn it off. I don't think there's ever been an entirely NTR focused update - usually Chyos splits it up pretty well, but there's also been a lot of updates so I could be mistaken.

 

[frostpaw]

NTR has existed since the earliest versions of the game. This is not a game that has had NTR 'shoehorned in'.

Also, not to mention the fact that you can play an entire playthrough without encountering NTR since there's an option to turn it off. I don't think there's ever been an entirely NTR focused update - usually Chyos splits it up pretty well, but there's also been a lot of updates so I could be mistaken.

Additionally, most NTR scenes are only 1 animation (without different angles or even cum-animations), that is reused in the progress of the event. There are only variations, if the MC is involved.

Spoiler: Some examples:

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I think it only feels as if there is much NTR-content, because there are so many different places in the game, where you could encounter it. But it is rightfully there, because it is meant as punishment or logical consequence of the MC's actions.

 

[Ottoeight]

NTR has existed since the earliest versions of the game. This is not a game that has had NTR 'shoehorned in'.

Also, not to mention the fact that you can play an entire playthrough without encountering NTR since there's an option to turn it off. I don't think there's ever been an entirely NTR focused update - usually Chyos splits it up pretty well, but there's also been a lot of updates so I could be mistaken.

Yep, and ntr was supposed to be a fraction of the game, which is not now. AND, as I've written, most bonus scenes are ntr.

 

[hhdsnsec]

On the way to Kirlic

Good afternoon,
There are a few topics I'd like to talk about today, starting with the finally finished bonus scene, then about my plans for the coming update and also about the next content poll.
Let’s start with how glad I am to finally have Katherin’s scene finished. I had originally hoped to be done by Tuesday evening, but fixing all the bugs ended up taking the entire Wednesday as well. I already mentioned this on Discord, but I don’t plan to add any more characters to the campfire scene. For the ones already there, I’m happy to add more interactions in the future, but no new faces, there’s simply no room left in the frame. Even now, it was impossible to have Katherin and Hiba on screen together, so I had to get a bit creative to make it work. Overall, this has been the most complex bonus scene so far, even without counting the crash incident. I’m really happy it’s done, and that it also kind of served as groundwork for Tia’s upcoming update, but it definitely ended up being bigger than I intended. That’s mostly on me of course, if I had shortened or cut some parts, I would’ve been finished a lot sooner.
Now, moving on to the next update, one I’ve been looking forward to for quite some time. Honestly, I was hoping to start working on it much earlier, even last year. I want to talk a bit about my goals for it, since not everyone may have seen my messages on Discord.
The main focus will be on the MC’s storyline. As you might remember, you found Marcus’ letter in the basement of his house, pointing toward an investigation in Kirlic. That’s where the main story focus will be. Naturally, that means I’ll need to create the city itself, an inn, and a few smaller surrounding locations. I’ve already started roughing out the layout for the city and will keep refining it over the coming week. If things go well, I might be able to show a preview image next week.
I’ll probably split the city across multiple maps and expand it in later updates. There will also be a small quest required to unlock access to the city and the journey there.
Then of course, there will be new NPCs, which means creating new models for them. I won’t be introducing all the new characters at once, that would simply be too much for 0.6.2.0. As for scenes, I’ll be working on ones focused on the group members, meaning Tia, Lyvia, and Bianca, maybe even someone new, we’ll see. The idea is that the animations would then also work to invite them into the MC's house, we will see if that works out or turns out too much work.

Now about the next content poll. Since the work on the 0.6.2.0 update has now started I want to also launch the next content poll in the coming week. And since Kirlic will then be implemtend I can finally introduce options that are related to it. In the past I made prevotes about what option will be added to the poll on discord, today I want to do it here so that everyone has access to it:

Liandra: Depending on your route, you’ll travel to Kirlic to meet her father. In the end, this will lead to her returning there one way or another, either as Dave’s wife or not. I’ll be implementing the Baron’s villa in Kirlic along with his household.
Melissa: She’s in open conflict with the Crow. Depending on the route, she might even have been kidnapped and will need to be rescued. Her storyline will revolve around the brothel in Kirlic.
Sabrina: Ever since she became Gwen’s apprentice, she’s been driven by thoughts of revenge. When she suddenly disappears, it’s clear where she’s gone, to Kirlic’s university to settle the score with her former headmaster. I’ll be adding the university to Kirlic, along with a few new students there.
Frisha: It’s time for Frisha to finally get married. Depending on the route, that might not just be the MC’s intention but also Giron’s (he couldn't have Emily, now he wants her daughter). The focus here will be on deciding the future of Arenfield and who will be in charge moving forward.
Kate & Claire: Preparations for smuggling into Kirlic are complete, and it’s time to uncover what Kate’s father was hiding. Depending on earlier choices, this could lead to a confrontation with her father’s associates. One of the other key goals for this update is Kate’s wedding with the MC and a completion of her storyline.

Ophilia: It’s time to investigate the disappearance of her father in Kirlic. Did he go into hiding, or was he murdered? The goal will be to follow the trail and uncover the mystery behind his disappearance. Will also lead to more content for her around the inn in Arenfield.
Unlike the usual content polls, there can only be one winner this time, and the votes won’t be carried over for the next pre-vote. I’ll keep this poll open over the weekend, and early next week I’ll launch the next content poll adding the option that won (votes on patreon and Subscribestar will be counted together).

That is all for now, thank you all for reading (was a lot of text this time)
And I wish you all a nice weekend!

Hello, along Peasant Quest, these are the two projects that are refined and creative with character design. I would like to ask what programs were used to model the characters and if there is a turnaround reference sheet for me to practice 3d modeling. (or if there were references used for inspiration.)
I Would like to request in particular how the MC and Tia for example where developed for example.
thanks in advance and sorry for bothering with this question.

 

[Lupiscanis]

Yep, and ntr was supposed to be a fraction of the game, which is not now. AND, as I've written, most bonus scenes are ntr.

I don't remember Chyos ever making a statement to that effect.

*edit* - In fact, see this quote :

Spoiler: Chyos quote from much earlier in the thread

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Also, most (if not all) bonus scenes are a mix. They contain NTR in them a lot or (or all) the time, (I don't keep track of every update) but that is not the same as "most bonus scenes are NTR".

There literally isn't a woman in the game who has exclusively NTR scenes. I think there's more variation in the NTR scenes but that's implicit since there's more 'other men' than just the player obviously, but there's also some non-NTR scenes that have no counterpart for NTR players.

This is one of the few games that manages to balance the non-NTR and NTR content well (in my opinion). Compare it to something like Peasant's Quest that has a few minor NTR additions and nothing else (at least last time I played), which serve no real purpose in an otherwise entirely non-NTR game.

 

[Jonson]

The reason why non-ntr fans hate ntr so much is that everytime an author starts adding ntr content in his/her/their game, ntr fans start pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing for more ntr content until ntr content becomes the focus of the game.
After that, non-ntr fans start losing interest and leave, ntr fans start monopolising the game and the game itself is doomed .

Your words express exactly what I think about the way this game turned and I will try to explain with my broke English.

The trouble with NTR in this game is I do not find meaning the way NTR is insert in the history the good example is in the introduction if watch the Scene Emily and Marcus,( I confess one time I gave him a gift since I’m already know he will die and since he took care of me since I’m children) But this scene will haunt your “Dreams” for much part game’s history and every time you go sleep until you finish Imawyn quest. If not corrupt Livia for example you not get “anal sex” with her and if you start to deny her Blowjobs” in my opinion you a not failure in the objective is obliteration of content( one of my playthrough she already 19 points of love, she kiss me but no sex, a just start corrupt her with Cunwine and sex scene happens) The same go for Mira if corrupted her 5+ you can have the scene where Mira can spy on you and Heather, and this will trigger Mira start complain every time about the fact you have sex with another woman but deny her to try with Adalin, again this in my opinion is not fail in the objective (since she already corrupted 5+ with blowjobs in the her house)but obliteration of content. Anyone can tell me what the function of PALAK in the game that is not NTR scene? the guy not hunter, not fight, not work even the wine with he is response to get the MC need provide, so let him became Bear Meat. As Darsan many people already know my dream scene with him (Put him in the cage with a plague fiend and let him get out just to watch me get blow and fuck his mother near the camp fire.)

Is I not hated NTR totally (every person who 1 day watch porno movies see a kind NTR) but the pressure to watch NTR scene start become a pain in the back. Between the versions v6.0.0 to V6.1.0 the most content Chyos release was about NTR and the game start walk like a crab. towards to a game with 10 GB of files and only 3 GB for a not NTR fan and this was one of motives for me to stop support financially with my Patreon Account, and I believed some persons who ask in the Patreon for a reduction of NTR scenes and was ignored did the same. I’m ways admired the author for his consistency and creativity and was hope he will introduce NTR on the game in the same way Sierra Lee did in “The Last Sovereign” with meaning, since this is not possible by the developer and his supporter’s view no tears will be drop F95 have a lot of game to catch interest and have fun.

 

[Knight6797]

The reason why non-ntr fans hate ntr so much is that everytime an author starts adding ntr content in his/her/their game, ntr fans start pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing for more ntr content until ntr content becomes the focus of the game.
After that, non-ntr fans start losing interest and leave, ntr fans start monopolising the game and the game itself is doomed .

Your words express exactly what I think about the way this game turned and I will try to explain with my broke English.

The trouble with NTR in this game is I do not find meaning the way NTR is insert in the history the good example is in the introduction if watch the Scene Emily and Marcus,( I confess one time I gave him a gift since I’m already know he will die and since he took care of me since I’m children) But this scene will haunt your “Dreams” for much part game’s history and every time you go sleep until you finish Imawyn quest. If not corrupt Livia for example you not get “anal sex” with her and if you start to deny her Blowjobs” in my opinion you a not failure in the objective is obliteration of content( one of my playthrough she already 19 points of love, she kiss me but no sex, a just start corrupt her with Cunwine and sex scene happens) The same go for Mira if corrupted her 5+ you can have the scene where Mira can spy on you and Heather, and this will trigger Mira start complain every time about the fact you have sex with another woman but deny her to try with Adalin, again this in my opinion is not fail in the objective (since she already corrupted 5+ with blowjobs in the her house)but obliteration of content. Anyone can tell me what the function of PALAK in the game that is not NTR scene? the guy not hunter, not fight, not work even the wine with he is response to get the MC need provide, so let him became Bear Meat. As Darsan many people already know my dream scene with him (Put him in the cage with a plague fiend and let him get out just to watch me get blow and fuck his mother near the camp fire.)

Is I not hated NTR totally (every person who 1 day watch porno movies see a kind NTR) but the pressure to watch NTR scene start become a pain in the back. Between the versions v6.0.0 to V6.1.0 the most content Chyos release was about NTR and the game start walk like a crab. towards to a game with 10 GB of files and only 3 GB for a not NTR fan and this was one of motives for me to stop support financially with my Patreon Account, and I believed some persons who ask in the Patreon for a reduction of NTR scenes and was ignored did the same. I’m ways admired the author for his consistency and creativity and was hope he will introduce NTR on the game in the same way Sierra Lee did in “The Last Sovereign” with meaning, since this is not possible by the developer and his supporter’s view no tears will be drop F95 have a lot of game to catch interest and have fun.

That is not a problem of NTR but mainly you not liking the way it's implemented. Also, you drug your love interests with a cumwine that acts as an aphrodiasic and makes them ultra horny, how would they not go out and fuck someone if they get the chance to (like logically)? Since you mentioned history. Miras NTR is a case of extreme negligence, she will only lay her hand on aidalin if you treat her like shit. There are some personalities like Kate that are just meant to be sluts if u don't do anything to prevent that, such is life. Other characters like Mira will be only faithful to you as long as you're loyal to them and not lay a hand on anyone. The idea that cumwine shouldn't corrupt the women is bad because it literally decreases your karma, you reap what you sow so in contextualization I think it's a good mechanic.

On top of that, you have a switch to turn it off as a gameplay mechanic in total. I like both so I keep it on but I think Chyos has implemented quite enough security measures for NTR to not spill over (unless it's a bug or smth) so you should generally never be "afraid" to encounter it. At the end of the day you will have to live with the fact that Chyos develops and fully intends to include some NTR for alot of vanilla because that is how he intended the game world to be. I think even if you don't like NTR but don't hate it having it as a preventable option should enrich gameplay since you save your LI's from bad consequences and not just get them on your knees for no reason like in many other games.

 

[polsaagipols]

I cleared all Bianca’s quest and my MC’s forging, sewing level is 55
I did search it in this thread already...
I just want to know why.

Hey man can u tell me how can i boost my sewing skills?

 

[a_bored_guy]

Hey man can u tell me how can i boost my sewing skills?

Just craft armor on the workbench on the MC's house

 

[exazubi]

The reason why non-ntr fans hate ntr so much is that everytime an author starts adding ntr content in his/her/their game, ntr fans start pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing for more ntr content until ntr content becomes the focus of the game.

First of all, NTR, in all its variations, is a completely normal fetish, like any other. One that, by the way, is enjoying increasing popularity. Just a few years ago, anyone who declared themselves an NTR fan would have risked a shitstorm. Things have changed since then; the community is growing. And of course, people ask for more when a developer finally dares to tackle the subject, especially when he does it as well as Chyos.

I can't agree with your statement, at least not as extreme as you present it. I've actually experienced the opposite. As soon as a developer starts with NTR, or even a game aims for it from the beginning, and reaches a certain level of quality, the haters come along and push, and push, and push, hoping the developer will give up and focus on vanilla stuff. And if he doesn't do that, they don't leave and look for other games, but rather the terror starts to really get going. This is not just internal criticism, haters report developers on Patreon, write fake reviews, even and threats are not uncommon; In other words, everything is done to sabotage such projects. Countless games have been broken because of this. This behavior is just sick in my eyes, even in some schoolyards things are more civilized.

There are now more and more NTR games, and the quality is also increasing, but the bottom line is that it is still a minority compared to the vanilla games. Therefore this hysteria is more than inappropriate.

It would be very helpful if everyone finally took a more relaxed approach to this topic. In this game, NTR is completely optional, so what's the big deal? I'm working on my own walkthrough; I know it very well, even if I'm not currently working with the latest build. That day will come, though. I know the game well enough to say that the non-NTR content is still in the majority. And it will stay that way until the end. When the developer creates which scenes should be left up to him.