RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.6] [Chyos]

[Apartment817]

He already clarified in his very 1st comment what the issue was.

Believing that the NTR switch is difficulty switch is incorrect. It is not the "intended" way for the player to be punished for playing badly.

It is a switch for turning a fetish that you want to see. Where the player wants to see the MC punished for being behaving badly.

If you don't want NTR in your narrative, turn it off. It's that simple. It is not some sort of "hard mode".

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

Believing that the NTR switch is difficulty switch is incorrect. It is not the "intended" way for the player to be punished for playing badly.

It is a switch for turning a fetish that you want to see. Where the player wants to see the MC punished for being behaving badly.

If you don't want NTR in your narrative, turn it off. It's that simple. It is not some sort of "hard mode".

.....what? What does this have to do with anything that I said? Or the part that I showed you?

 

[Apartment817]

I know that we already finished talking about it, but again, tell that to Chyos.

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Again, this aged like milk.

(it's always avoidable).
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You realize "always" means always, right? Meaning you have to chose to want to have the MC Punished. You have to chose to fail objectives.

You don't get NTR for just failing objectives.

You get NTR for choosing to fail certain objectives on purpose.

This means you idea of NTR being punishment for failing the game is impossible, since that's not how you get NTR. You get NTR for choosing to get NTR.

The failing objectives part is part of the NTR fantasy.

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If you choose to name Mira "Sister" then you are playing the way the game was intended to played.

The NTR was intended to be a fetish for the player, where the main character is punished for the characters mistakes as a reward for the player. It is not there to be a punishment to player for making mistakes as a player.

.....what? What does this have to do with anything that I said? Or the part that I showed you?

You quoted me asking why does he have the switch on if he doesn't want that content. I am addressing how that perception of why the switch exists is wrong.

Once again it is not:

on = normal difficulty mode
off = easy difficulty mode

Justonemore has repeatedly asserted that is what the switch is. It isn't.

It's do you want to play with the intended NTR as a fetish for the player to enjoy, or does it upset you so much you want it removed from the game?

off = yes
on = no

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I have zero punishment NTR in my dozens of playthroughs, I leave the switch on because I want the MMF scenes.

 

[Apartment817]

Just a reminder, l

But that is not the problem now, is it? I didn't fail nor choose to fail; I was given an unavoidable quest, as long as NTR was active. I wasn't given the choice to not have that quest in the quest log and only noticed the solution of toggling it off too late.

You just keep missing the point. I'm a completionist; I want all the quests cleared successfully, yet I was given a quest I could not avoid nor complete in a way that allowed the NTR to be AVOIDABLE. The only solution? Toggle off and then on after you receive the other quest from Carmen so you don't get that one. Very intuitive, right?.

Except that you are. When Chyos made the scene where Bjorn could fuck Claire, he did it knowing the switch would remove it. You have to chose to make that quest "unavoidable".

The scene isn't even a punishment to the MC.

In the Merc camp, you can fuck Lyvia after the party and then invite one of your Merc's over to join it. As a reward for all, and a punishment for none.

If you get Ophelia drunk during the minigame, you can orchestrate the same with Rick, a reward for all punishment for none.

The switch in the way you imagined it, doesn't exist.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO MESS UP SO BADLY AS A PLAYER THAT YOU GET PUNISHED, (because even that IS ALWAYS AVOIDABLE.) So you might as well just leave it off.

Bjorn's scene isn't a punishment for the MC. He is not upset about it. He is all "sure you can fuck my side piece with me, if you give me some help, I will willingly make that happen."

Claire isn't upset by it, the MC isn't upset that it is happening. It isn't even one of the scene's where the narrative is punishment.

Have you completed the monastery? I as a completionist myself have to live with failing "Syfa's banishment" every time because fuck the church. And it bugs me, but not enough to express frustration at strangers about it. Plus I actively choose to fail that quest.

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So you are mad because you have to temporarily turn off a switch that you want to leave on for reasons that don't even exist.

 

[radr]

Anyone else get stuck on the part of finding the wine in the dining hall for the cult quest line? I have searched all the tables, boxes, etc.

This also happened to me and no matter what I do i cant interact with the table. Even worse they dont let you leave.

 

[Apartment817]

The switch doesn't remove the quest from the quest log; it only prevents you from getting it, so if you played 50 more hours after getting the Bjorn Obsession quest, then if you want it gone from your quest log without failing, you have to backtrack those 50 hours and then toggle off NTR before talking to Carmen to get the other quest about her son. Disabling NTR after you get the quest DOESN'T REMOVE IT FROM THE FUCKING QUEST LOG. I don't care if NTR is or isn't a punishment anymore, but so far all NTR was avoidable even with NTR on, but that one quest is the exception; you can not do it, you can fail it, but unless you mess with the settings, you are getting it, and if you don't want to complete it, it stays in your quest log. Where, for the love of Athia, is the AVOIDABLE in that if I have to cheat with the settings to dodge it?

Haven't done the monastery yet... now I'm afraid....

Do FFM scenes like Claire and Kate offend you as much as Claire and Bjorn?

No, right?

You do realize they are the exact same definition of NTR, right? Neither are punishment NTR, both are sharing NTR.

So really your complaint is that Chyos wrote a MMF quest. Not that the NTR switch doesn't work, because the scene isn't even a punishment scene. Chyos just recognized the homophobia involved and allowed the switch to turn off MMF.

(You are going to argue that it's not homophobia, but it is. Being cool with one dick and six holes, but not two dicks and three holes, is because of the other dick. Which is perfectly fine not to want in your fantasy game, nothing bigoted about that. But don't get it twisted, it's not NTR you are avoiding, it's a second dick.)

But thankfully now that you know that there is no player NTR punishment in ASWS, just fetish NTR rewards to the player, you can leave the switch off and never worry about it again.

Some quests have choices, in which you are going to fail one or the other depending on your choice.

 

[Apartment817]

This also happened to me and no matter what I do i cant interact with the table. Even worse they dont let you leave.

It has to be dinner time (around 8pm I think, not sure just skip time ahead) where everyone is in the room dining. It's the pitcher on the table in the center. The pitcher will be present at all hours of the day, but can only be picked up as an item when everyone is dining.

 

[radr]

It has to be dinner time (around 8pm I think, not sure just skip time ahead) where everyone is in the room dining. It's the pitcher on the table in the center. The pitcher will be present at all hours of the day, but can only be picked up as an item when everyone is dining.

Thank you I will try again

Edit - Nope nothing happening even with the guy sitting there

 

[the_unfunny_guy]

Cool

 

[Apartment817]

Dude, we all have fetishes, likes, tendencies, or whatever you want to call it. I don't give a fuck about yours. I have gay friends, and I have always said the same: "I have no problems with what you like as long as you don't try to force it on me." I don't like MMF scenes; that's it, that's me. I'm not apologizing for disliking something you like, just like I'm not asking you for an apology for liking those scenes.

NOW. What I see there is basically me receiving a quest called "Cuck yourself willingly" that I'm getting whether I like it or not, if I was stupid enough to trust the developers' words of it all being AVOIDABLE. The scene sure, but the quest is not. And either I repeat the next X amount of hours and cheat with the settings now that I know, or I'm left there staring at it forever, either from the "current quest" or the "failed quests." You don't know how happy I am that Chyos didn't make achievements because if he did... I wouldn't have been the only one here complaining.

The game won't be finished for years. Next time you start a new playthrough. Turn the switch off. Problem solved.

(BTW, the MC has the power in the scene, he decides on whether or not Bjorn can join, making Bjorn the cuck not the MC.)

 

[radr]

Thank you I will try again

Edit - Nope nothing happening even with the guy sitting there

I had to find the post that had 6.1.0e and download it and then copy my saves over and it worked. The new version must have a bug with that table.

 

[Apartment817]

I had to find the post that had 6.1.0e and download it and then copy my saves over and it worked. The new version must have a bug with that table.

You are saying it didn't work in v0.6.1.1b but it did when you reverted back to v0.6.1.0e?

 

[radr]

You are saying it didn't work in v0.6.1.1b but it did when you reverted back to v0.6.1.0e?

yes

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

You quoted me asking why does he have the switch on if he doesn't want that content. I am addressing how that perception of why the switch exists is wrong.

Once again it is not:

on = normal difficulty mode
off = easy difficulty mode

Justonemore has repeatedly asserted that is what the switch is. It isn't.

It's do you want to play with the intended NTR as a fetish for the player to enjoy, or does it upset you so much you want it removed from the game?

off = yes
on = no

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I have zero punishment NTR in my dozens of playthroughs, I leave the switch on because I want the MMF scenes.

But that has nothing to with what I specially said. You keep asking about it as if you were confused on why he felt the way he did. I simply clarified his issue. His point isn't the NTR. It's the fact that it spawned a separate quest and he was bothered by it. And he has said that multiple times.

 

[Apartment817]

Same justification as to Abraham not being a cuck for sitting on a chair while a random guy in a mask fucks his wife while she keeps insulting him because he wants it and have the power to end it, right?... you may see a hot scene, I see a loser and a bitch. Everyone has different perspectives.

Forget it… Why do I keep talking to you…? I'm tired, and my reading comprehension keeps getting lower while talking to you… a side effect of having to explain the same thing 10 times to a guy that cannot see past the specific thing he is fixated on… I'm off. Bye and good luck.

Edit: In my first post I said that next time I play the game I would do so with NTR off because now I know; you literally just repeated me. Thanks, Captain Obvious.

The MC is the bull in both scenes. Bjorn is the one in the chair. Have you even seen It?

I had to state the obvious because you still need to vent. If the solution was obvious to you, you wouldn't still be upset about it.

 

[Apartment817]

Ok, I have to respond to this one. See what I say about you having negative reading comprehension? I said that ABRAHAM was a cuck, NOT FUCKING MC. Do you even know English? It is not my native language, and yet I think I speak it better than you.

What I said was that you are trying to use the same argument that others try to use to say that Abraham is not a cuck because he wants it and apply it to the MC.

This reading comprehension speech is rich.

In the Abraham and Elizabeth Scene:

MC or farmhand = bull
Abraham = Cuck

In the Claire and Bjorn Scene:
MC = Bull
Bjorn = Cuck

To complete the quest you don't even have to have Bjorn get a blowjob. The scene / quest ends when the MC cums and Bjorn is masturbating. Notice how the option is there to "cum" ending the scene. No penetration of Claire by Bjorn. How exactly is this the MC getting cucked? lol.



Only if you push and repeat the scene can you get her suck on him, but isn't necessary since the quest has finished.



(then if you anally train her you can switch to a DP scene).

((If anyone is wondering, in the morning scene with Claire by the fire, she tells the MC to bang her tits together like church bells. Hence why I call her Bells.))

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Bjorn's Obsession is completed by letting Bjorn be an Abraham. The MC is not cucked in the slightest.

But do go on about how you comprehend what is going on here, and I don't.

 

[Chii]

The NTR was intended to be a fetish for the player, where the main character is punished for the characters mistakes as a reward for the player. It is not there to be a punishment to player for making mistakes as a player.

This sentence tells me only that you weren't playing this game in the early years and that you failed to read the ntr warning note that is still there in the very beginning of the game (which no longer holds true to the feelings of the developer then.

Ntr at the beginning of the developing stage was never meant to be about sharing, but very much as punishment for either making the wrong choices or for failing to win a battle where a girl was nearby.
Due to either fan pressure or an evolution in Chyos tastes/goals this has evolved, but the feeling of the initial intended content is very clear.

Just like Just20 I have ntr on on most of my playthroughs because I want the feeling of danger of having a LI get corrupted by someone else in case I fail as a player or if I decide to check out a scene that I would otherwise have locked.
I couldn't care less about the defacto sharing options like Bianca and the goblin or Bjorn and Claire (and just like Just20 having an open quest that I have no intentions to follow through is a point of frustration whenever I see it in the open quests).

 

[Apartment817]

This sentence tells me only that you weren't playing this game in the early years and that you failed to read the ntr warning note that is still there in the very beginning of the game (which no longer holds true to the feelings of the developer then.
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Ntr at the beginning of the developing stage was never meant to be about sharing, but very much as punishment for either making the wrong choices or for failing to win a battle where a girl was nearby.
Due to either fan pressure or an evolution in Chyos tastes/goals this has evolved, but the feeling of the initial intended content is very clear.

Just like Just20 I have ntr on on most of my playthroughs because I want the feeling of danger of having a LI get corrupted by someone else in case I fail as a player or if I decide to check out a scene that I would otherwise have locked.
I couldn't care less about the defacto sharing options like Bianca and the goblin or Bjorn and Claire (and just like Just20 having an open quest that I have no intentions to follow through is a point of frustration whenever I see it in the open quests).

Pull the rest of that quote.

(it's always avoidable).
(it's always avoidable).
(it's always avoidable).
(it's always avoidable).
(it's always avoidable).
(it's always avoidable).
(it's always avoidable).
(it's always avoidable).


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You realize "always" means always, right? Meaning you have to chose to want to have the MC Punished. You have to chose to fail objectives.

You don't get NTR for just failing objectives.

You get NTR for choosing to fail certain objectives on purpose.

This means you idea of NTR being punishment for failing the game is impossible, since that's not how you get NTR. You get NTR for choosing to get NTR.

The failing objectives part is part of the NTR fantasy.

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If you choose to name Mira "Sister" then you are playing the way the game was intended to played.

The NTR was intended to be a fetish for the player, where the main character is punished for the characters mistakes as a reward for the player. It is not there to be a punishment to player for making mistakes as a player.


I have zero punishment NTR in my dozens of playthroughs, I leave the switch on because I want the MMF scenes.

Never said I played from 2017 to 2022ish, because I didn't.

But if you want to insist that it is a punishment to the player, tell we where the player can be punished by NTR without choosing to be punished. Where is that a punishment for playing bad, and not a choice the player makes?

Where is "(It's always avoidable)" not true? Where can't the NTR be avoided if you fail as a player? WHERE??????

 

[Chii]

Where is "(It's always avoidable)" not true? Where can't the NTR be avoided if you play wrong?

By losing a battle when a girl is nearby, just like I said in the post you just quoted.

 

[Apartment817]

By losing a battle when a girl is nearby, just like I said in the post you just quoted.

lol, what battle with possible NTR nearby is a challenge to win? The only way people see those scenes is through feign potions. You act like you can't easily avoid 95% of the battles, or revert to an older save if you find a battle too challenging.

Even if you ever did find such a battle and lose, you chose to watch the outcome, or you revert to an earlier save and level up first.


Once again it is not:

on = normal difficulty mode
off = easy difficulty mode

It's do you want to play with the intended NTR as a fetish for the player to enjoy, or does it upset you so much you want it removed from the game?

off = yes
on = no