laddiestlad

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1) Not every story should be flowers and rainbows.
→Response: Perhaps, but it should be handled with a semblance of realism, which this story lacks.
→Response: It is not a binary choice. Stories can avoid rainbows without going to the extreme.
2) [This/You/The mother] sounds like a tsundere/generic person on this site??? (I don’t understand what this is supposed to mean.)
→It is completely unrealistic. She isn’t just quirky, she is outright toxic.
3) This is a videogame.
→ Now you are just trolling / being an idiot.
my "whole" argument was that I'd rather have games with fucked up/heavily flawed characters like this one than, say, STS or other Harem games, because they're all pretty similar with their usage of tropes and their only big difference being the artstyle and gameplay gimmick

also,
2) [This/You/The mother] sounds like a tsundere/generic person on this site??? (I don’t understand what this is supposed to mean.)
I was calling the users on F95 toxic

I think the main confusion stems from people think that laddiestlad is advocating for realism, which is apparently not what happened? Because everyone else just seems to argue that the scenario is unrealistic.
nothing about this game is realistic
I mean, you have an alternate world and portals where some cult is trying to sacrifice you and most of the characters in this game are toxic in some way or form, so ?????
 

Dragon59

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Imagine, for a moment, this is real life. Some girl you like decides to get together with you, and wants to meet up every afternoon for some fun. You miss an engagement at some point, and the next time you meet up you catch her fucking some dude who beat you up in the past. You ask what the fuck is going on, and the dude who beat you up tells you to fuck off, as you head out the girl follows and insults you, says you're not "man enough" for her before returning to the dude to keep getting fucked.

The dude she's fucking starts hitting her, he also destroys your property. The girl finally breaks up with the dude and meets someone better, but she'll occasionally meet up with you and expect you to put out for sex despite already being in a relationship with someone else.

Now tell me you wouldn't excise someone like that from your life with a fucking scalpel. This isn't "oh, she's just quirky and independent", this is "she doesn't respect you or others around her, and treats you as a fuck toy when it's convenient."
I don't know who is more "broken," this character or Ann from Big Brother. Both show serious signs of PTSD.
 
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thealucid

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yes, and? I don't get your issue
you don't like characters like her
I think it's refreshing to have fucked up characters
you are, for some reason, upset that I have that opinion and you keep talking about how you don't like her, how she's toxic and all that
it's ok to have different opinions, "dude"
It's fine if you like fucked up characters, but don't just assume people who don't like fucked up characters only appreciate 'cookie cutter flowers and rainbows shit' and disparage them as people who believe that, as you put it, " absolutely every woman belongs to them and only them."

If you read back on my comments you'll also see I never attacked you for liking different things. The most hostile I got was telling you to stop being an idiot when you asked if I could tell the difference between a game and reality.

All I expressed was that the character was indeed fucked up by any realistic measure, and that just because you don't like fucked up characters doesn't suddenly mean you must think of women as personal objects without agency. Which was what you implied.
 
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Dragon59

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When do we get to mow that back lawn and have access to the pond and the shed! That's a critical issue, don'tchaknow?

Seriously, with each update, that's one of the first things I check. "Nope, not yet."
 

primeumaton

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Weird how I come back to this after a lot of time and it's *worse* that before.
Before I felt like it had a weird but mostly complete story.
Now I can't even trigger the story. Literally went everywhere. Apparently something somewhere is broken. Jane/sis/whatever isn't progressing passed the first interaction but the other side quests are mostly done...

I'm going to guess this is just coding errors somewhere that destroyed the continuity somewhere.
I tried to use the skip to new content but there is no option to enter the other world as a start. So... Ya.
Guess I'll come back in another year? xD
 

Trapezio

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Imagine, for a moment, this is real life. Some girl you like decides to get together with you, and wants to meet up every afternoon for some fun. You miss an engagement at some point, and the next time you meet up you catch her fucking some dude who beat you up in the past. You ask what the fuck is going on, and the dude who beat you up tells you to fuck off, as you head out the girl follows and insults you, says you're not "man enough" for her before returning to the dude to keep getting fucked.
You forgot to mention that she's your mom and the dude's your dad. :whistle:
Meanwhile you're banging your sis, your teacher, your schoolmate, your school principal and a girl you just met in a comic shop. You're Leo Di Caprio, after all.
 

Snugglepuff

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You forgot to mention that she's your mom and the dude's your dad. :whistle:
Meanwhile you're banging your sis, your teacher, your schoolmate, your school principal and a girl you just met in a comic shop. You're Leo Di Caprio, after all.
Or even keeping it in line with how he's built his scenario, that the "some dude" is her husband, who she's been having sex with before doing anything with the MC.
 

Dragon59

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Or even keeping it in line with how he's built his scenario, that the "some dude" is her husband, who she's been having sex with before doing anything with the MC.
Well, he's actually an alternate reality version of her husband, though she doesn't know it. So, in some ways, he is an interloper. I figure since that is revealed before the stuff above, it's not a spoiler. We still don't know why they decided to swap alternate reality wives.
 
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guys i am confused, like where to start and are there any new family sex scene in this new version or only the old one. please tell which option should i select to get this more interesting for me.
 

WOMANpukumaru

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ALRIGHT

some things need to be clarified

I'm dividing this into 2 posts, just cuz I want the thoughts separated.

1. the stuff about the dad destroying the fort, and the "good dad" coming back is parto of the sister's story not the moms. that stuff can happen after you've already banged the mom and finished her story. Actually, depending on how you play the game, it can NOT HAPPEN AT ALL if you don't do the sister storyline.

2.therefore, you never become a "sidepiece" after the fiasco where you catch them fucking and he beats her, she is pretty much exclusively yours. She basically replaces him with you

3.You can beat up the dad during that scene, and she sleeps in your bed that night and gives you a blowy, so it's not a TOTAL loss.

4. she only did that in front of you to make you jealous anyway, and to "get back at you" yes, that is some toxic shit. Basically all the relationships in the game are like that. This entire game is like that/

5. It's honestly unclear whether or not mom and dad continue to have sex. It is never shown or implied, and you can basically call her over to fuck anytime you want? Would probably be harder to do that if she was having sex with the dad with any regularity. Not to mention you can have like, all day fuck sessions with her, so it's pretty clear who she "belongs to" now either way. This is clearly you stealing her

5. Uh, this is incestporn? her having sex with the dad is a part of this you accept, unless she's a single mom. It is by definition you stealing a girl from another dude....who made you by having sex with her.



Now. On the whole "NTR" thing in part 2
 

WOMANpukumaru

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before I get into that, can i justa ask, why are we using "NTR" as the term anyway? it's a japanese porn word, why is it being used for american porn games?

holdover from 4chan or some shit?

maybe it's the same reason we use "ahegao"

also, when do any of the girls ahegao in this game?
 

WOMANpukumaru

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1. NTR is when the girl is stolen. You are the one doing the stealing in this game, thus not really NTR
2. BUT when people say NTR they mean "cucked" and "cucked" to some people, some of them on this board just means any of the girls you can screw,screwing someone that isn't you. sometimes....maybe...? the"rules"are HELLA weird

Example of this. there is a game like this where you can fuck your mom. You catch your mom and dad having sex a few times. Nobody was mad. When I asked, it wasn't considered NTR at all by the people in the thread.

That same thread was in an uproar because one of the girls you can fuck mentions past experience with other guys. That was apparently NTR and it counted? When I asked about how that made sense, I got shouted down as "defending cuck shit" *shrug*

and then you see this thread where the Mom fucking the dad IS ntr again? huh?what? I dunno. It's just insecurities being insecure. I don't think this is logical.


3. I don't think there are ANY "rules" I think insecure dudes are insecure, and they are picky, and it's more about how it is presented, than anything else. Plus, there's other factors like, did you already have sex with her? Is she a virgin? etc. It's all just whatever, and you shouldn't take it too seriously.

4. WITH THAT BEING SAID. I definitely think the mom scene counts. Because it was made to make you feel jealous. She punishes you and humiliates you, you can even get beaten up in that scene to further humilate you, and she gets beaten afterwards and has a black eye.

That is textbook NTR. It even has the other stuff usually in NTR stories, like you being made to feel powerless, weak, humiliated, while another man fucks yo girl in front of you and there is nothing you can do to stop it. It even has the implication that he is a"Real man" Against all odds, this is actually NTR.

Though yoiu CAN actually beat up the dad...




5.My own thoughts? If the girl is a slut, or its understood that she is already in a relationship,it's a bit silly to get mad when she is shown screwing another dude...or mentioning it. The same goes really hard when the whole [premise starts from stealing the girl....which is what any momporn is gonna be by definition.

My feelings on NTR are complicated.My feelings on any of the girls shown banging any other dude except me? Largely depends, but if its meant to make the player feel bad? usually don;t like it.

Some reactions clearly aren't logical, but hey, you do you.


In the end, it all...means nothing except that you are gonna have jimmies rustled if there is another guy. Your choices ae to basically act likeMC is the only guy in existence, or just let em hate








Now, on the argument specifically,

1. It's understandable that people don't like this. This conversation has happened a few times I can only say, get out now! This whole game is filled with shit like this!
2. the guy never said that "anyone who does't like this only wants sunshine and rainbows" He only said that stories with some darkness and complications are refreshing.....for him.
3. I think there were a bunch of misunderstandings all around? lol





I personally do like the that the mom is fucked up because it adds an interesting dimension to the the whole mommyporn thing.

She is having sex with you out of extreme empty nest syndrome, which is pretty unique, and she is both clinging to you AND trying to push you away at the same time in order to cope with her now abusive husband.

When you think about how fucked up someone has to be to have sex with their own son, this makes a lot of sense. It goes to some fascinating mental places and kinda explores the consequences of having sex with the woman who birthed you, and how actually fucked up that really is. (which kinda makes the fetish just a bit better imo)

Just like I find it interesting that the Allaway storyline actually has some consequences for dating your teacher. I, too, don't really need a "happy rainbow fairytail" ALL the time. At the very least, I do agree that this is refreshing. I personally hope he continues down this dark, yet whimeical path. There are plenty of idealistic harem fantasies out there. I'm cool with letting this one be this way.

Certainly not for everyone though. That's for sure.


Oh wow. that went longer than expected. No one is gonna read it, but that's basically the sum up of this whole thing.


Oh, and another NTR theme present in the Mom scene is being unable to protect the woman. Further driving home vthat, yeah, that scene, and the immediate aftermath, were definitely NTR. By the real definition.
 
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