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BadmanBaxter

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Yes.

By the way, I’ve looked at how the bug-"fixing" was tracked on Trello. For more than half the bugs, they just added "CANT FIND PROBLEM" [sic] and claimed they were done. Now if only the bug report feature was better and let you directly append saves or at least screenshots of error messages, maybe they would have an easier time finding all the bugs.
I am done with this then. I will Check in every now and then but if it don't get fixed soon there will be no chance I will play again.
 

RoughlySpecific

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Made a bug report. Make sure to do the same if any of you have the same issue. I fully trust in the power of endless complaints to force people to stop being lazy but it only works if people actually complain. Here’s my report for reference:

I am done with this then. I will Check in every now and then but if it don't get fixed soon there will be no chance I will play again.
"soon" is relative. This game has issues and version 30 has been the biggest bugfest so far. If you have a copy of the game installed make sure to complain before deleting it.


Bug Report said:
The entire Mrs Smith&Jane route is messed up and your "fix" just hides the fact that you are stuck. I played 30d just to check out if it worked, so I used the start from the end of 28 option and continued the Jane+Mom routes.

Feel free to drop by the game’s f95zone thread for more details/specific saves etc.

1) The hint system is disabled. In 30c, the box is just empty. In 30d I though I’d seen it as "Unavailable #[something]", but checking it again it is still empty. In any case, the lack of hints means I have no idea if I’m truly stuck or just cannot figure out how to continue.
2) While the removal of the "leave them be" message means you are no longer softlocked when Jane calls you to the basement, the route still does not continue after the "Passed Out Sister" scene. I had to skip from chapter 2→3.
3) After the Mom Coddling Sister bedroom scene, I was stuck for weeks again. Skipping from 4→5 allowed the bathroom scene to trigger.
4) Despite being at chapter 8, the Eating Mom for Breakfast scene never triggered. (So far, I only got it to trigger once on 30c and once on 30a. The only save from which I can trigger it is the one I did immediately before triggering the scene. Even loading saves from a day before that won’t let me trigger it again.) Skipped again from 8→9
5) On chapter 9, going to the basement triggers the next scene normally, but it also locks the map. This makes sure you have to go back up and meet Mrs Smith, but it never unlocks afterwards.

The remaining few scenes trigger normally, as far as I can tell. Of course, I cannot be sure of that since the hint system does not work.
 
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Kiothcloud

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Mar 5, 2019
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When I try to do the nudist beach trip with the sister she reminds me to tell her at night but when night arrives idk where she is shes only at home late night but shes already asleep
 

RoughlySpecific

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The one part from the development log I would have been interested in is "Render CG for MoxSis Threesome Story" as well as the following:

Code in Main Story Assets said:
Safety and Home Life - CG
The Polaroid - CG
The Morning Headache - CG
Hang at the Mall Now - Sprites
Quality Family Time - CG
Parents Bedroom Movie Threesome - CG
Waking Up Along - CG
The Sweet Morning After - CG / Sprites
The Spicy Morning After - CG / Sprites
The Sweet Morning After Phone Call - CG / Sprites
Alarming News - CG
Post News Breakfast - CG

Coincidentally, the first has been removed from 0.31’s section about a week ago and the second has lain under the "currently working on" header for about as long since Oct 16… at 0/12 completion. So really, I don’t think we are missing much by not having the newest version.


Edit: Pretty sure I figured out how to trigger the kitchen scene: You need to have both the mom + sis quest lines completed and then wait until the next week. Then, going downstairs in the morning triggers the scene.
 
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SJack

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Nov 2, 2017
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does the mc ever go savage or is he a simp for life cuz i stopped playing versions back because dam bugs
 

RoughlySpecific

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Not sure what being "dominant" has to do with creativity, but this game certainly has a very passive MC. He is there to witness the world and story. Players are just along for the ride.

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I’ve looked at the progress tracker and I think that the team doesn’t work slowly, but rather that they work rarely.

1) Cannot really comment on Roberto (story writer) other than that his parts were completed first.
2) Geeseki seems to work quickly for 2-3 days in a row then do nothing for a week or more.
3) Darkmage did exactly nothing for at least two months (Oct 02) and it is their contribution which was missing from update 31 afaik. At some point their part (coding in all the CG/sprites/assets Geeseki drew) was simply moved to v0.32 and v0.31 was "completed" without it.

From this I’m assuming that Geeseki still has at least a part-time job and just works on this occasionally. If Geeseki did this game full time, they might complete the work of a month in a single week. That tracks with the progress compares to other games. Instead of committing full time, Geeseki used the Patreon money to hire help, which I find very understandable considering the less than 4k the game makes on patreon.

Anyway, this might explain some of the issues we have regarding slow and buggy releases. Geeseki only works on the game ~8 days a month and the programmer he hired to help up and vanished. Ergo v.0.30 turned out as the most buggy release yet and v.0.31 is (probably) very lacking.

All of this is, of course, speculation. I haven’t even played v.0.31 so I probably shouldn’t comment on it.

Edit: Progress days:

Sep 5 (moved a single task)
Sep 27-Oct 2 (MomxSis storyline = v.030)
Oct 16 (marking main story writing complete + housekeeping = creating and moving trello tasks)
Oct 21 , 23, 27-30, Nov 2, 4, 6 (working on new stores/items, = New v.031 content)
Nov 6, 10 , 16, 17, 19, 23-25 (v.031 patreon voted scenes + main story writing + housekeeping for v.032)
Nov 25-26, 28, Dec 1-2 (housekeeping for v.0.32 + bug reports + final v.031 wrap-up)
Dec 16-17 (working on new locations+characters = v.032 content)

Summary:
Sep ~4 days of work
Oct: ~7 days of work
Nov: ~11 days of mixed work
Dec: ~2 days of work so far.

Amount of work days may be skewed for Darkmage/Roberto since items are only marked complete by Geeseki. This amount of work fits someone doing it beside another job and/or someone having other issues keeping them from working on it most days.

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On a happier note, it seems that the next update will (=is supposed to) feature:

1) The office building including 9 different locations, new characters and a glory hole.
2) The "Up Town", featuring 7 new locations.
3) New music for the club.
4) A few new shopping menus (v.031 introduced new shops)
5) Theoretically, inclusion of a lot of art for Lashey and the main story… if Darkmage ever comes back.

Missing is the CG for the MomxSis story, which has been pushed back again. Probably waiting for whenever Darkmage is done with the previous parts…


(If you haven’t noticed yet: Yes, I do like lists and figuring out how stuff turned out as it did/how things could have been.)
 
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SJack

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Nov 2, 2017
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Not sure what being "dominant" has to do with creativity, but this game certainly has a very passive MC. He is there to witness the world and story. Players are just along for the ride.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

I’ve looked at the progress tracker and I think that the team doesn’t work slowly, but rather that they work rarely.

1) Cannot really comment on Roberto (story writer) other than that his parts were completed first.
2) Geeseki seems to work quickly for 2-3 days in a row then do nothing for a week or more.
3) Darkmage did exactly nothing for at least two months and it is their part which was missing from update 31 afaik. At some point their part (coding in all the CG/sprites/assets Geeseki drew) was simply moved to v0.32 and v0.31 was "completed" without it.

From this I’m assuming that Geeseki still has at least a part-time job and just works on this occasionally. If Geeseki did this game full time, they might complete the work of a month in a single week. That tracks with the progress compares to other games. Instead of committing full time, Geeseki used the Patreon money to hire help, which I find very understandable considering the less than 4k the game makes on patreon.

Anyway, this might explain some of the issues we have regarding slow and buggy releases. Geeseki only works on the game ~8 days a month and the programmer he hired to help up and vanished. Ergo v.0.30 turned out as the most buggy release yet and v.0.31 is (probably) very lacking.

All of this is, of course, speculation. I haven’t even played v.0.31 so I probably shouldn’t comment on it.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

On a happier note, it seems that the next update will (=is supposed to) feature:

1) The office building including 9 different locations, new characters and a glory hole.
2) The "Up Town", featuring 7 new locations.
3) New music for the club.
4) A few new shopping menus (v.031 introduced new shops)
5) Theoretically, inclusion of a lot of art for Lashey and the main story… if Darkmage ever comes back.

Missing is the CG for the MomxSis story, which has been pushed back again. Probably waiting for whenever Darkmage is done with the previous parts…


(If you haven’t noticed yet: Yes, I do like lists and figuring out how stuff turned out as it did/how things could have been.)
no no no no what i meant was creating dominate mc scenarios sorry for confusion i just wish stats played a bigger role in the stories you know like with the mom sure the strength stat did a bit but even that felt meh
 
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dark1

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serious question:
should I buy this on steam ?
OR
just stick to downloading it from here ?
 

RoughlySpecific

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serious question:
should I buy this on steam ?
OR
just stick to downloading it from here ?
Ultimately up to you. Personally, my considerations went like this:

The progress each month is not enough for me to justify regularly paying him. However, the accumulation of effort spent on this game over the years is still a lot, and the content is compelling enough, that it warrants some money. As such, I’ve paid for the game once.

For comparison, if there’s someone who has been a 2-week early access patreon patron for 3 years, they have spent ~400$ on the game.


Edit: By the way, I just noticed that Geeseki once planned to stream 3-4 times a week. Wonder what happened to that… Anyone have links to some of the old streams? From what I’ve seen, the entire development took a downhill dive some time in 2018.
 
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