VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[roro]

He's very protective of his work, and he doesn't want to share it with anyone, which I understand. But if you're going to work with people, you're going to have to take a level of risk and hope they are honest enough that they won't pawn off or use your work against you. L&P doesn't have to hand over the entire script to the translator if he is that concerned, but only have to hand over the current update version script. Also, I think it's more of an outline that some people are starting to believe as well which could be another reason why he wants to work with the translator directly. At this point, who knows...

We don't know for sure it's a translator helping him. All we know is an american from the U.S is helping him with the translation. He can also be just a proof reader...

 

[Talcum Powder]

We don't know for sure it's a translator helping him. All we know is an american from the U.S is helping him with the translation. He can also be just a proof reader...

From what I read here, there aren't too many convincing arguments against Deepl + red blooded American male with at least a college education and the ability to turn a phrase. The "translator" job, has been explained as a full time job for two weeks out of every twenty-four, which when you write it out is even more implausible than L&P's excuses for why it has to be that way. In the end, it's yet another blah blah blah noise to make the requirements outstrip reality.

So ... we wait and see.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Actually, now that I think about it, a female red blooded American would probably be better suited....

 

[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

This scene is an intentional interruption on Patricia's part. She doesn't want to share Sophia with anyone else.
She could have gone back and left Sophia, but Patricia announces her presence.
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You don't have any scenes where Patricia kisses her partner, or any hugging. On the left is Patricia.
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With Patricia present at the concert, I think we will have something similar to the nightclub scene ( Patricia interrupts again, which would be very complicated for Sophia ) or the hot scene will be after Patricia leaves. Something like: Liam's asleep and Sophia's out in the backyard getting some air.

Patricia’s straight cock blocking, don’t bring her to Sams gig, if we have a choice

 

[FdjsEre]

There's no one to love in this game apart from Sam !

 

[Alley_Cat]

There's no one to love in this game apart from Sam !

But I love boobs. In the Sam route you barely see any!

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

viper6??? Never.
He likes to suffer, he likes to feel the pain.

im just here for the memes now and for the "I told you so" when this game gets the yellow tag

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

We don't know for sure it's a translator helping him. All we know is an american from the U.S is helping him with the translation. He can also be just a proof reader...

Went from needing a "German - > English" translator to needing a "better (than him) German -> English translator" to "an american from the U.S on my discord"

Next update he'll start finding help for rendering and creating scenes.
Needs to be:

1. proficient (>10000 hours) in daz
2. Available to travel to L&P's house so he doesn't keep the files
3. Also 100% blind so there's no chance of spoiling it

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

One of the reasons that people are insistent is that L&P has never really given a valid explanation as to why it won't work. He's gone into great detail about the issue with "mistakes", but that's not really a great reason. Any "mistakes" would originate from his work so he can't in good-faith blame the render farm (which it feels like he has tired to do). Secondly, if he has 1,000 renders and 10% of them have a "mistake" that's still 900 renders that came through quickly- he would save boatloads of time even if he needs to tweak the 10% that had a mistake.

So I feel like you're reading his explanation very literally, and it sounds reasonable if you do. But to me, I hear his reasons and they don't answer the question. To me, it sounds like a guy trying to find an excuse because he can't admit that he doesn't want to loosen his grip on the game. I think he really enjoys the tinkering.

At its most fundamental, I think most of us just doubt that his images are really that flawed to begin with. I would like to see some of his drafts/rejected images to see the difference. But if it's anything like the comparison he gave us between 1080 and 720, I think most of us would struggle to see the difference.

L&P could be a great artist. He could have a real future doing CG artwork. I don't know if that skillset translates into making a full VN.

Let's look at two examples of someone /drawing / painting in real life.
The first is someone at a fair that has to draw a quick sketch of passer by in, lets say 4 minutes.
The second is Michelangelo painting the Sistine Chapel in what I believe was four years.
Now lets imagine a spectrum in painting / drawing in which the quick sketcher is 0 and Michelango is 100.
If you took any artist, you may not be able to give them an exact score of 0-100 on this imagined scale, but you would have a rough idea of roughly which end of this imaginary scale they would fall.

Now let's look at rendering for adult VN/games. I am not saying that L&P is the Michelango or rendering of VN, but he is clearly more towards that end of the spectrum, in part because of the time and effort that he spends on each render.

Now you have renders at the other end of the scale - lets say NLT Media who are prolific in terms of speed of updates and speed of finishing a VN. I would describe the renders as adequate or sufficient - to tell the story that they want to tell in the speed they want to tell, and many readers are very happy with stories that these renders tell.

Many developers would sit somewhere in the middle of these two both in terms of quality and quantity.

The question is not whether L&P can produce stunning renders of gorgeous women with perfect framing and light effects.
It is that whether he can produce enough renders of high enough quality to tell the story he envisages in a number of years that is a short enough period of time that his Patreon supporters are happy.

(This why L&P is very careful not to directly answer any question of how long it will take him to finish the remaining 17 and a bit playable days. He either avoids the question, does nt answer it, or goes on the offensive as a deflection strategy).

For most developers, if they had a choice to spend fifteen minutes to get a render to 95% quality, or 30 minutes to get a render to 100% quality, they would choose the former, as they know the importance of getting a story told within a period of time. We all know that L&P would spend the extra time, with ever decreasing returns.

At the rate of recent updates, I fear that AWAM might be L&P's equivalent of Beethoven's 10th Symphony.....
An unfinished masterpiece, a story of what could have been.....

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

L&P's renders are very very good but let's not forget the ever present weird preset expressions where the MC doesn't even look the same, the clipping of legs on tables/chairs etc.
He's clearly at the top 5 in terms of scene creation/rendering, but it's not perfect. Also remember that the top devs aren't taking 2 hours to make a render.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Yes, Elli's attitude towards her father is quite strange. She seems superficial and self-centered and her father is and wasn't a monster. He's often absent now, but that doesn't explain Elli's distance from her father. She does not react surprised or refuse that your mother is having sexual contact with Tyler right out of her eyes in the club. Everything, it seems, is subordinated to its own gain in pleasure. In her mind she seems to have already reached the point where the story is supposed to lead Sophia, no thought of the consequences. It all seems so exaggerated because we completely lack the temporal background of Elli.

There are a few snippets in the dialogue that seem to suggest that Liam neglected to spend time with either Ellie or Dylan, not just since moving to San Alejo but beforehand.

 

[bigbobby0940]

Wait, people actually listen to the developers excuses?

I thought everyone had the necessary critical thinking abilities to figure out that these excuses are all literally pulled out their ass and made up as they go along. Like, the guy is saying he's working 11 hours a day, nobody actually believes this right? Like just ask yourself, what are the odds that all of these developers all have family members who all within the same timespan go through some life threatening ailment that unfortunately delays their shitty porn game "for an additional week" that always happens to be right when the next Patreon bucks roll in?

Do people unironically, believe these no name developers that we know nothing about, with their entire claim to fame being the creation of some incest porn game that degenerates like you and me play for 3 mins before nutting and moving onto the next one?

 

[Talcum Powder]

There are a few snippets in the dialogue that seem to suggest that Liam neglected to spend time with either Ellie or Dylan, not just since moving to San Alejo but beforehand.

Especially in the first day when the Parkers move into the new house. Liam goes right to the TV, immediately tuning out of what should be an engaging and exciting moment for his whole family. It starts to paint the picture of a man who is not emotionally available to his family or connected to his environment.

Sophia’s reaction to me also suggests that this isn’t something new. It’s kind of like she’s saying “Wow Liam, not even this level of excitement and newness can get you to interact with us?!”

 

[Talcum Powder]

... incest porn game that degenerates like you and me play for 3 mins before nutting and moving onto the next one?

Just curious: Who on this thread do you think these remarks are describing accurately?

To your other points, I don’t think there are too many among us, though clearly some, who doubt that L&P works long and hard on this game and are confident that he takes the work pretty seriously.

I’d suggest the overriding concern among some of us fans, and we are fans of this project to be sure, is that he doesn’t know how to conform his ambition to something resembling a realistic plan.

 

[bigbobby0940]

Just curious: Who on this thread do you think these remarks are describing accurately?

To your other points, I don’t think there are too many among us, though clearly some, who doubt that L&P works long and hard on this game and are confident that he takes the work pretty seriously.

I’d suggest the overriding concern among some of us fans, and we are fans of this project to be sure, is that he doesn’t know how to conform his ambition to something resembling a realistic plan.

Imagine being this invested, not only in the porn game itself, but the creator of said porn game. Not even gonna comment on you buying his bullshit aside as I can already tell that i'll be wasting my time, but like, How mentally disturbed do you need to be to care this much and be this invested in this guy.

Lmao. Like, it's an incest porn game, go outside bro, touch some grass

 

[Cold brew]

Don't hate me

Especially in the first day when the Parkers move into the new house. Liam goes right to the TV, immediately tuning out of what should be an engaging and exciting moment for his whole family. It starts to paint the picture of a man who is not emotionally available to his family or connected to his environment.

Sophia’s reaction to me also suggests that this isn’t something new. It’s kind of like she’s saying “Wow Liam, not even this level of excitement and newness can get you to interact with us?!”

Liam's TV addiction is directly tied to his sports gambling problem. That's the core of the issues with Liam with everything else.

On the other issues of content. This game encompasses more than Dylan's incest path. Makes it unique. Of course people will only focus on what their attention has allowed them to explore though. L&P has catered to this but has also made this game much wider in content in than that.

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

Progress Report.

100% - 100%
80%

 

[lockerxx]

20% in Art Edited. later de 40 pages of plot

 

[Talcum Powder]

Imagine being this invested, not only in the porn game itself, but the creator of said porn game. Not even gonna comment on you buying his bullshit aside as I can already tell that i'll be wasting my time, but like, How mentally disturbed do you need to be to care this much and be this invested in this guy.

Lmao. Like, it's an incest porn game, go outside bro, touch some grass

No need to be hostile. Jeez. I was simply questioning the comment you made about the people on here playing for three minutes, nutting, and then moving on to the next game. It just sounded wildly inaccurate for this thread.

 

[AchedCroissant]

When will the update come out? The next month?