VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

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truerty

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What annoys me more is, we've had several opportunities in previous playable days for Sophia to open up to other non family members and go topless. But she never did. Now in a single update she goes topless with two complete strangers! It's like the Dev was forced to rewrite the story to appease the blue ballers.

I'm not complaining, the Morello event was cool, but i can't overlook the fact that it was forced. It just didn't fit right with her character. Maybe if she throughout the story did some naughty things here and there, it wouldn't have looked weird.

I'm just saying he should've done this from way back in the previous updates. This sudden change in character, feels out of place.
 
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I use 4 different save files to play this game. 4 different routes basically,

1- Alyssa - Solo bikini route
2- Alyssa - Dual bikini route
3- Patricia - Dylan perspective route
4- Patricia - Sophia perspective route

I play all these routes to check all the contents. The first two routes, are for straight contents. The last two, are for lesbian contents.

When i played the Straight route, i only had Morello event in 0.115 update. But when i played the Lesbian route, i had Ellie/Vicky BF/Morello event.

What i wanna know is, why the fuck is the Vicky BF event is connected to a lesbian route and it doesn't show up in straight route when the event itself is so hetero focused?

Seems like now nobody can play this game with a single save file. Everything is so inter-tangled.
 
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truerty said:
What annoys me more is, we've had several opportunities in previous playable days for Sophia to open up to other non family members and go topless. But she never did. Now in a single update she goes topless with two complete strangers! It's like the Dev was forced to rewrite the story to appease the blue ballers.

I'm not complaining, the Morello event was cool, but i can't overlook the fact that it was forced. It just didn't fit right with her character. Maybe if she throughout the story did some naughty things here and there, it wouldn't have looked weird.

I'm just saying he should've done this from way back in the previous updates. This sudden change in character, feels out of place.
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Forgive me, but you do not take into account many factors!
1. The meeting takes place in the development of previous events.
2. The special environment of the prison, the presence of police officers and a husband, who are not far away.
3. A nice, interesting guy who, despite being behind the glass, quite successfully dominates Sofia.
4. The need to solve the problem of the husband's debts.
5. In the end, she is just a woman and can have her weaknesses, which manifested themselves in the current situation.

I don't think it's worth it to assess Sophia's behavior as harshly as you are. ))
 
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Old dog said:
The lighting setting expression are all great and it seems such a shame to ruin it with a mistake like that.
I only noticed it because I do renders myself and have made the same mistake many many times myself.
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regardless of the time on the clock above the prison door it had already been pointed out by another user and was not corrected
 
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yihman1 said:
Judging by the last wave of 10 or 15 reviews almost all of which were 1 star and half of the comments since the update being unhappy players shitting on this update or the game this was a major flop that has disappointed the crowds.

This is not the result of some sort of sudden change in the game. Sophia has not broken character at all. The pacing did not suddenly speed up or slow down. It has been on this trajectory for some time now.

This is not the result of less sex scenes. The opposite is actually true there were actually 3 very sexual scenes in this update.
1) Fucking husband
2) Sexual Fantasy about prisoner (7 renders no animation)
3) Mutual masturbation daughter

This is probably the MOST SEX scene in any update to this date.

This dissatisfaction stems from people playing this game since October 22 2017. That is a little over 3 years of build up... For what? Thousands of renders... THOUSANDS of renders of normal day to day life. If Sophia brushed her teeth, or combed her hair, or got tan, or went for a walk, or picked up groceries... Everything got a render. Rarely one render, often times a group of renders to tell that part of the story. What does it all culminate in? This long road that has been traveled full of swimming and stretching and watching the televeision after having breakfast... What's it all add up to that has people so upset? 7 renders... 7 that is all the renders allocated to the fantasy sex scene, and 0 animations.

It's as if you were watching something charge up and charge up and get more and more energy built up around an explosion. The build up is of nuclear weapon proportions! What is the boom though? Just 1 little stick of dynamite. It's one nice little boom yea sure... Not what was built up to though.

The addition of the new inmate character also only makes things so much worse for character fanbases. There are fanboys for Dylan. There are fanboys for Sam. Dylan first Dylan first no Sam first! Other characters like Aiden even though hated by many still have a fan base. Did any of these guys or other existing guys get any action in today's story? Not a drop. They live in the desert. Liam does not count after the first fuck he already got his. None of them even got a handjob unless you count sophia accidentally touching her son's junk during a tickle match. None of them has even gotten a "Fantasy Sex Scene" yet. This new guy we never met before that is in prison comes along then it's all like he gets that fantasy sex scene first? New guy day 1 huh? Those characters with hundreds of renders and hundreds of lines of dialogue all built up for what? To step aside and let piece of shit inmate get a hold of Sophia's fine ass first!? Come on now... It's OBVIOUS why people are pissed.

That is why people are seething. That is why this thread is full of rage. That is why people are dropping patreon support. A weak sexual explosion when a strong one has been called for coupled with that explosion being with the wrong 2 people. Liam who already got his and nobody gives a shit about ,and the inmate who is on day 1.

Don't get me wrong. I like L&P and I like this game. He, and I have chatted before on a couple of occasions and he is nice guy. I wish him well. One part of me respects that he is doing what is his artistic vision in spite of the crowds demands and has managed to do so for so long. Props for that. Another part of me says "Give the people what they want!" Playing his game has been inspirational in my own game development. Even chatted him up, and got his blessing on tossing Sophia a little cameo to our game. He has always been a perfect gentleman every time we spoke. Seems like a friendly guy. I got no beef with him.

As a newer lesser known developer I know just how difficult making a high quality game is. I work in a team of 2, L&P does it all by himself. We manage to get our first release off with over a thousand renders and 10 animations out on practically no patreon support at all (now 8 patrons and 17 bucks after our release all of which and more goes towards debts incurred while making a game and we are deep in the hole for now) racking up a fair amount of debt in the process... I know the financial griefs behind making a game. We don't work for free. We work for negative money slaves to our game at this point in time.

It can be difficult not to be envious of a man who releases a game with about 1/3 the renders and 0/10 of the animations that we have done in a similar time frame that is making significantly more money than we are. I can understand how some people's eyes would turn green with envy and be like "fuck that guy!" from my position. Not me though, I have spoken with him, and I wish the guy luck ,and hope he gets his supporters back one day, and his fan base eventually becomes happy when he finally decides to deliver with what has been built up for what seems like an eternity. He knows he would make more money if he delivered the sex sooner. He is keeping to his artistic vision in spite of the crowd chanting for something else.

If he keeps doing what he is doing, and my team keeps doing why my team does... I just hope he isn't green with envy when we pass him up on patreon one day. We will get there some day. Our last 9 reviews were 5 stars with 8 patrons, his last 9 reviews were 1 star with 1400+ patrons.
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truerty said:
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What i wanna know is, why the fuck is the Vicky BF event is connected to a lesbian route and it doesn't show up in straight route when the event itself is so hetero focused?...
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Cool, so I'm not the only one that has a problem that. As I was saying, if it was just a matter of being friends with Vicky without needing the lesbian points, it would have made sense
 
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gingersweetgirl said:
The prison scene sure has everyone's attention.

Here's something to think about if your version of Sophia is on the Filthy Route: this is one of the first opportunities we've had to interact with an unrelated man in a sexually charged situation.

Think about that.

After all of the updates, over all of these years, most of the men that Sophia has had to deal with are either related (by blood or other relationship), young, or professional associates. Since the movers, I don't believe there has been a man in Sophia's life that doesn't fall into one of those categories. Larry is the rare man that is purely someone outside of her social sphere, and that does change things. While nothing about this situation is "normal", Sophia also isn't limited by societal expectations like she is with the other men in her life. Larry is a blank slate, the rules of their relationship are not written yet. Not even DeShawn is as removed from her social sphere as Larry is.

I look at her interaction with Larry as the first opportunity we've had to see just how corrupted she has become. As I see it, the insinuations are clear:

1. Sophia isn't as innocent as we have been led to believe.
2. The taboo nature of her other relationships are the primary issue holding her back.

I've seen a few people mention how it doesn't make sense to them that Sophia would be so aggressive with Larry when she has rejected/fought against relationships with other men that she knows better. But clearly L&P is telling us that the taboos of incest and age are not going to be brushed aside easily. At the same time, Sophia is not a woman without desires and a sultry (not sluty!) side. When given the opportunity to be playful with an unrelated man who desires her, she wasn't appalled. The corruption is taking its toll. This is what we've been waiting for, it's just happening in a way that we didn't expect.

This leads me to believe that the first man to have sex with her that isn't Liam will be someone unrelated and older. Sam, Dylan, Aiden, Zach, etc, I think are out of the running. The pathway to her cheating now goes through the Morello plotline. She wants a man, not a boy, and frankly I think that makes total sense.

Perhaps too many of us have become too accustomed to incest storylines, but it seems L&P is digging in against the idea that incest will come easy. If you're into the realism of this story, this makes complete sense.

There's another benefit to this. It gives Sophia as a character more agency over her story. Instead of being the damsel in distress that is being corrupted, she is a woman who is owning her sexuality. That doesn't mean she's going to fuck everyone in sight, but it does make her a more interesting character. Instead of her constant hemming and hawing over her odd sexual interactions with her kids, we finally have a chance to see Sophia being assertive and proactive in her own story.


The problem with this thought is that L&P didn't really lay much ground work for it. I still maintain my poor opinion of this update.
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A 38-year-old woman, 2 children, who also teaches biology, cannot be innocent.

But you have to take into account that she has had sex only with her husband, which makes her almost a virgin for some, as Patricia used to say.
This makes her a bit self-conscious when she meets Larry, and she brags about it.
Surprisingly, she finds herself dreaming of having sex with him, the desire is so great that it takes over. Note that there is no alcohol here.
As the postman said, when we remove the social prejudices we will see the real Sophia.
We can say that something stops Sophia in her relationship with others: being her family or being very young.
 
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