VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

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The heading says it all. What will happen you'll find out on the release day.
I'm at 95% of the Aiden event right now. It will have around 300 renders. So, very soon I'll start with the work on the last event.

PS: That was the last teaser for 0.130!

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The teaser is definitely a bit disappointing but I also want appreciate how good it looks. When L&P says he is working on making it visually pleasing then he is sure delivering ( by no means trying to say he should continue to only pursue that ).
Also a lot of people are very unhappy with the way thinks are looking for the Aiden route. I personally feel that since we don't know the context and the dialogues it is not fair to judge. It could make perfect sense once the script is known to us. And even without that I don't really think it is all that huge a thing to go with Aiden on his bike. She knows Aiden and she is the same woman who walked up all by her self to Aiden's hangout place with his entire gang present and there was no one else there who would provide her any help if things went south. Plus she might also feel that Aiden's personality clearly does not come off as that of a rapist who would take her to a secluded place and call his gang there for that.
Aiden's attitude till now has been more like he looks down on Sophia or wants to assert dominance over, that's all.

Another thing that could have inspired such a task could be that in this update there are not any events which can be really exciting. The first side job has a change of dress but doesn't look like much will happen there, the second side job is just starting, so low expectations, Emma Dylan, Dylan Sophia are also not going to be sexually charged events. Aiden's tasks was the only place where he could make the update spicier. As a developer even he would be totally aware that no one will be happy if they have to wait so long just for nothing exciting to happen.
So I feel for this update he has placed his bet on the Aiden event

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

It will, the reason i base it on what i do is due to the fact the museum event will be 1 or 2? playable days from the next update, playable day 14 if i'm not mistaken (the update that follows the upcoming update or the one right after that) from when patricia and sophia will be getting invited to the museum with those college guys they first run into at the start of the game (someone posted the playable days of when things are supposedly going to happen way back in the thread, can't remember specifically). If sophia isn't already banging guys by that point, there's really no point to that event being so close. This coming update is what's going to send sophia down the filthy route enough that she lets her lecherous side run wild.

Someone like KillJoys can be more exact, but I don't believe your timing works. Playable day 14 is too early for Sophia to start cheating based upon what L&P has told us. She certainly won't be having sex with anyone before that point. While the college guys will probably play a role in her corruption, I would be surprised if they're what put her over the edge. Right or wrong, L&P is putting a lot of extra content into this game, so their inclusion shouldn't be viewed as proof that they're going to have sex with Sophia. I just don't think the timing works for their tour.

Personally, whenever Sophia does cheat it's going to be in a private manner. I don't think she's going to want Patricia (or any audience) around for it. My personal take on the story is that, once she cheats, she'll carry that secret around with her for a few days. Once she can't deny what she did any longer, I think the action will pick up a lot and eventually culminate in the Point of no Return with Dylan sometime around Day 22 (just my guess).

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

sometime around Day 22 (just my guess).

thats in 2 decades, we'll never get there

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

The teaser is definitely a bit disappointing but I also want appreciate how good it looks. When L&P says he is working on making it visually pleasing then he is sure delivering ( by no means trying to say he should continue to only pursue that ).
Also a lot of people are very unhappy with the way thinks are looking for the Aiden route. I personally feel that since we don't know the context and the dialogues it is not fair to judge. It could make perfect sense once the script is known to us. And even without that I don't really think it is all that huge a thing to go with Aiden on his bike. She knows Aiden and she is the same woman who walked up all by her self to Aiden's hangout place with his entire gang present and there was no one else there who would provide her any help if things went south. Plus she might also feel that Aiden's personality clearly does not come off as that of a rapist who would take her to a secluded place and call his gang there for that.
Aiden's attitude till now has been more like he looks down on Sophia or wants to assert dominance over, that's all.

Another thing that could have inspired such a task could be that in this update there are not any events which can be really exciting. The first side job has a change of dress but doesn't look like much will happen there, the second side job is just starting, so low expectations, Emma Dylan, Dylan Sophia are also not going to be sexually charged events. Aiden's tasks was the only place where he could make the update spicier. As a developer even he would be totally aware that no one will be happy if they have to wait so long just for nothing exciting to happen.
So I feel for this update he has placed his bet on the Aiden event

I don't know. You seem to be brushing aside alot of context to make it no big deal for her to ride with Aiden. The thing that stands out to me the most is that this is a 30-something year old woman riding with a 17/18 year old student. Put aside all of the theories about the dangers Aiden poses, the simple matter is that a grown woman riding like that on a motorcycle is a very compromising thing to do. The age gap, their relationship, and the physical requirements, would all rule this out IMO. I can tell you, as a 30-something woman, there is NOTHING that would get me on the back of a motorcycle with a 18 year old guy, even if I knew him well.

The script is going to have a hard time explaining this one. But we'll see.

 

[bluehound36]

I don't think she's going to want Patricia (or any audience) around for it.

Maybe or maybe not. From their interaction, it's patricia that's been a key part of tearing down sophia's inhibitions. It is possible her first act of cheating will be with the very guys that her sister convinced her to flirt with and accept a future invitation to go through the museum after hours when there wouldn't be anyone else around but the 4 of them. I could see them pairing off in that situation and a choice being given to the players to either cheat or not, with patricia being the motivating voice behind that choice.

The script is going to have a hard time explaining this one. But we'll see.

It's an erotic/porn vn, even the best written ones have a difficult time explaining the logic of most lewd acts and drama that is depicted. I said it before way back in this thread just before the last update, if the action doesn't start soon (within about 2 updates after bare minimum), the odds increase that financial support starts dropping. People are only going to complain for so long about such an issue before they let their money do the talking for them. Now, does that mean the dev is actually going to increase the pace of how things unfold? Nope. It's just an objective point of view after witnessing several devs that did similar and realized they had to get to the action scenes if they wanted to retain their financial support from fans. Establishing that one can write good erotic fiction (relatively) on top of creating the porn is a sure fire method of gaining further support for any future vns and games. Just focusing purely on one element for too long ultimately bores the crap out of any fans. If there's too much porn, it becomes repetitive and predictable to just click the skip button. If there's too much fiction and not enough porn happening, people write it off as a proverbial blue ball snooze fest (something that almost happened to MrDots when he first started out). L&P is having to learn that lesson right now, the only question is, when are they willing to begin the action that will ultimately retain and likely increase future support?

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Maybe or maybe not. From their interaction, it's patricia that's been a key part of tearing down sophia's inhibitions. It is possible her first act of cheating will be with the very guys that her sister convinced her to flirt with and accept a future invitation to go through the museum after hours when there wouldn't be anyone else around but the 4 of them. I could see them pairing off in that situation and a choice being given to the players to either cheat or not, with patricia being the motivating voice behind that choice.

In my opinion you're misreading Patricia.

The most important fact is that Patricia acts within the rules of her marriage. Carl is totally fine with her being with women, and flirting with men, but that's it. Carl and Patricia have a very strict rule about no sex with other men, that Carl is the only man that will have sex with Patricia. While I can't rule out that she would throw this rule out, it seems unlikely to me.

Now, as for Patricia's role in corrupting Sophia, my personal opinion is that Patricia is badly misreading Sophia. This is purely my gut talking, but based on Patricia's relationship with Carl, I think she's only looking to have some fun and to loosen Sophia up a little. So far she hasn't done anything to encourage Sophia to cheat, but to have some fun and flirt. I don't think Patricia understands just how conflicted Sophia is becoming. I agree that Patricia's actions could directly encourage Sophia to cheat, but I don't think that is necessarily Patricia's goal. My personal theory is that Patricia will actually become a voice of reason on the filthy route if Sophia starts to spin out of control. I think Patricia is interested in expanding Sophia's horizons in a healthy way, but if Sophia goes down a really dark road with Dylan and others, I think Patricia may try to intervene.

Again, that last bit is purely speculation on how I read Patricia. I think it would be a waste of her character to make her the one dimensional slut that does little more than push everyone into SEX SEX SEX. I think she's going to end up looking like the one with a healthy control/understanding of her sexuality and will feel some level of guilt for what she brought out of Sophia.

 

[bluehound36]

Now, as for Patricia's role in corrupting Sophia, my personal opinion is that Patricia is badly misreading Sophia. This is purely my gut talking, but based on Patricia's relationship with Carl, I think she's only looking to have some fun and to loosen Sophia up a little. So far she hasn't done anything to encourage Sophia to cheat, but to have some fun and flirt. I don't think Patricia understands just how conflicted Sophia is becoming. I agree that Patricia's actions could directly encourage Sophia to cheat, but I don't think that is necessarily Patricia's goal. My personal theory is that Patricia will actually become a voice of reason on the filthy route if Sophia starts to spin out of control. I think Patricia is interested in expanding Sophia's horizons in a healthy way, but if Sophia goes down a really dark road with Dylan and others, I think Patricia may try to intervene.

You're misreading patricia entirely then. She even went so far as to tease, flirt and fondle her nephew during the yoga event. It's fairly obvious she wants to go down the route of experimenting just like she's been trying to convince sophia to loosen up as you say and likely even engage in incest herself. No way does that just end with her claiming innocence.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

You're misreading patricia entirely then. She even went so far as to tease, flirt and fondle her nephew during the yoga event. It's fairly obvious she wants to go down the route of experimenting just like she's been trying to convince sophia to loosen up as you say and likely even engage in incest herself. No way does that just end with her claiming innocence.

I agree that the yoga event didn't go unnoticed. For now I'm sticking with my theory and that her behavior towards Dylan at the yoga event is dropped. It will be really a shame if she is just a one dimensional character and yet simply another pro-incest woman.

 

[Tennyson@]

Is this the last teaser for v0.130 or
We will get Dylan event teaser also?

 

[bluehound36]

I agree that the yoga event didn't go unnoticed. For now I'm sticking with my theory and that her behavior towards Dylan at the yoga event is dropped. It will be really a shame if she is just a one dimensional character and yet simply another pro-incest woman.

It's a vn/game designed with incest at the very beginning as being part of the overall story. I fully expect it to happen along with dylan and his sister getting it on later in the story. L&P has proven they're relatively good at writing erotic fiction, now all that's left is proving they're good at including the porn. It's what has propelled several other devs of this sort of content, to gaining such a strong financial backing on sites like patreon. MrDots, Cheekygimp, Lewdlab, DrPinkCake, Inceton and many others that realized they had to have a healthy balance of both to be as successful as they've become. So yes, the female characters are ultimately going to wind up going the sex bomb route before this game is finished.

 

[Bane71]

Who would not say that, the teaser is great! Now I will speak about the content of the third task.

We all saw that it wasn't easy for Sofia to flash her panties to the students in the class. It's obvious.
Aiden, on the other hand, was completely calm looking at her panties as Sophia lifted her skirt. Perhaps he had seen something hotter before!?
Even Andre didn't show much emotion about it!

Then, as he left the classroom, he turned rather haughtily and mockingly to Sophia, telling her that she had given the boys good material for fantasy and masturbation.

Perhaps Aiden is taking Sofia to a place where the display of female charms is not something special, and perhaps she will see public sex. Seeing this, Sofia, being in a helmet, can show her breasts and it will be much easier for her to show more to the class in the fourth task.

Touching and kissing, in my opinion, will not be, but nevertheless, it can be very hot!

 

[Sabertooth__]

I don't know. You seem to be brushing aside alot of context to make it no big deal for her to ride with Aiden. The thing that stands out to me the most is that this is a 30-something year old woman riding with a 17/18 year old student. Put aside all of the theories about the dangers Aiden poses, the simple matter is that a grown woman riding like that on a motorcycle is a very compromising thing to do. The age gap, their relationship, and the physical requirements, would all rule this out IMO. I can tell you, as a 30-something woman, there is NOTHING that would get me on the back of a motorcycle with a 18 year old guy, even if I knew him well.

The script is going to have a hard time explaining this one. But we'll see.

Age gap is no longer of any meaning in this game ( Dylan, Ellie, Jules, Zac , Sam, Ava's boys ). Sophia too is getting excited about most of this secretly. She desires young guys.
Also the difference of opinion about the bike could really be because of the fact that we are from different countries and different cultures. It is not a big deal in my place to be having a older woman on the bike with someone young but rather roaming around with someone my own age with me more eye catching.
I feel the entire thing in the game can look to people like a mother sitting behind her son even if Sophia was without the helmet and here the most important thing is that Sophia's identity is safe behind the helmet. No one knows it her so I see it as no big deal. And as per story she must follow Aiden's demands to keep her son safe and in comparison to showing her panties to the entire class this isn't even worth mentioning. Plus what Aiden tells her to convince her is of importance. She is definitely not going to agree to it right away. And lastly what is blackmail that doesn't keep pushing the person's limit. If you can comfortably agree to the blackmailer then it is no longer a blackmail.
So I'm sure Sophia will strongly disapprove but Aiden will say something to get her to agree.

 

[Bane71]

Is this the last teaser for v0.130 or
We will get Dylan event teaser also?

This is the last one!

 

[bluehound36]

Perhaps Aiden is taking Sofia to a place where the display of female charms is not something special

Maybe a biker bar with a strip club in it at the very outskirts of the city? He could ask her to go on stage and strip tease but keep the helmet on so nobody recognizes her or maybe she has the option to take the helmet off at some point if the players choose.

 

[Bane71]

Maybe a biker bar with a strip club in it at the very outskirts of the city? He could ask her to go on stage and strip tease but keep the helmet on so nobody recognizes her or maybe she has the option to take the helmet off at some point if the players choose.

I'm sure she won't take off her helmet, and the place is somewhere outside the city, not close to the city. Some very active actions on the part of Sofia as well as going on stage, it is unlikely. I think a public display of tits, no more.
But this, as you know, is only my personal opinion.

 

[Tennyson@]

Well if Sophia and Aiden are alone then Aiden can demand many things
Posing
Teasing
Flashing
Touching
Sophia wouldn't mind because if she can go braless in front of the class then surely put a show alone with aiden

 

[bluehound36]

EDIT - Oh yea, also helps that apparently he has some mods on his payroll too because they seemingly delete 95% of the comments that criticize him. I've had something like 2 warning from this website alone for merely posting facts. No other developer gets similar treatment, it's a joke

I'm afraid you're wrong on that one, that's actually been happening in numerous threads across the entire forum lately. The mods are cracking down on criticism because many people have been taking it to the extreme. Pretty sure they're getting tired of all the reports i'd imagine that are happening. If all you have is a hammer, every problem is going to look like a nail.

Have you read the last few pages? Virtually no one here is defending L&P at this point. Not everyone is as fed up as I am, but virtually everyone agrees that this development cycle has stretched on a long time.

Yep, this is a truth that's been obvious several hundred pages back. I was even among those that first started to point this out, if L&P doesn't start getting into the action scenes more, what support he or she has built up over all this time is going to start dwindling. Over a thousand supporters on patreon and this is their first vn/game. Success leaves clues and if L&P doesn't follow the clues left by others that experienced similar when they first started out, that success can easily turn to failure.

 

[Old Dog]

Aiden is taking Sophia to visit his aunty and uncle for a spot of afternoon tea and playing bridge in the study

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I have the impression that we will all be disappointed with this update.
I don't say in terms of number of renders, many images are always good (even if many of them are useless and redundant)
I am referring to the contents and their coherence with the game.
I have the impression that there will be nothing hot or at least very little.
Do you really think that sophia will strip in front of everyone just because she is wearing a helmet?
Or do you think she will show sam's boobs after the concert in a bar full of people?
not to be disappointed I keep my expectations low

 

[trupervent10001]

Van Darkholme is beautiful