VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.230a + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[XaGnard]

What does personal preference come into it? I'm talking about removing storylines that contribute nothing to the advancement of the protagonist's story. If I wanted to argue for my personal preference, it would be something like an Ellie POV of her and Jules getting up to shenanigans - the things that are easily and have been done in a render or two of discussion. Or Jules' MSND performance.

But I'm not arguing for that. I do agree with you that Dylan comes off worst. He has made the slowest progress with Sophia so far. At the slowest rate. But that's precisely my point. Dylan's POV was pure fan-service and didn't serve the story in any way. It only gave Dylan the chance to see women naked. But not Sophia to invite Dylan to see it, which might have advanced the storyline. L&P could easily have introduced Dylan to Marie at the salon. If you take the popular events on the Dylan route like the Bikini Fashion show, and remove ones like Sophia pushing him on the swing, his progress would probably be much better. Around the time of the Yoga event, there were many posts here asking if it was going to be "another shitty lesbian update", so I suspect Dylan was added just to quell those people. Don't know if it was like that on Patreon.

Were you around in the thread around the time of the Yoga event? We had our own poll for hottest event. Despite Dylan being more popular at the time, it was the Ellie/Julia event that one. One of the main factors was that of the events chosen, there were 2 Ellie and about 6 Dylan. So all the Dylan votes were spread out, and an Ellie event won the day.

I suspect something similar is happening here. There's been so much focus on having Dylan events that the quality of each event and storyline suffers.

I think you're drawing the line way too narrow. It is a story about "A wife and mother" and Dylan and Ellie are Sophia's children with an strong emotional bond. If L&P would treat these two characters the same as all others it would certainly doesn't do the game justice.

Also, I think, for a good story it is better to describe a smaller group of people in more detail, and have more events with this people involved rather than simply have a lot of disjointed stories were there is only little depth in the charaters (e.g. like the old guys). For example, It helps the story to know that Dylan is a voyeur in general and not limited in his interrest to Sophia or Ellie. This brings his behavior into a better understanding and could also be an important basis for his Cuckold path incl. a good reason for Dylan saw the event beteen Sophia and Sam. Even though Sophia is not allowed to know anything about this yet (similar to the event between Dylan and Amber), this is certainly not insignificant for the further course of the main story (and will most likely also results to some events with Sophia direct involvement). In any case, the possibilities for interesting entanglements in these stories (with Dylan as a 2nd main) are much better than in all the side stories (with only weak side characters, like the old guys).

BTW, I have nothing against the lesbian stories. They are a very importend base for some Ellie events, i guess. It's just that there are a lot of individual stories that are at least in part poorly integrated into the main story. The event between Ellie/Julia/Sophia was so strong, because, as with the events including Dylan, it is not only connnected to Sophia and Julia, but also one of her childern. This brings so much more story progress, that the event with Alyssa, even including way more sexual progess, is less important for the main story, i think.

In general, I think Dylan is probably the most important character in this story, next to Sophia. If anything, L&P should expand his part and not reduce it. Otherwise, the game runs the risk of simply becoming a collection of unrelated stories.

 

[Blurpee69]

For me it has nothing to do with how intimant Dylan has been with Sophia vs. anyone else. Dylan has far and away been more of a force of influence on the story than any other character. To the detriment of Sophia. The earlier content Playable Days 1-5 or so, Sophia was a much more active participent in her own life. Now, she is exactly as you say a passive protagonist, because, as I've said, she is the lens through which we are now viewing Dylan's story.

 

[ancienregimele]

I think you're drawing the line way too narrow. It is a story about "A wife and mother" and Dylan and Ellie are Sophia's children with an strong emotional bond. If L&P would treat these two characters the same as all others it would certainly doesn't do the game justice.

Also, I think, for a good story it is better to describe a smaller group of people in more detail, and have more events with this people involved rather than simply have a lot of disjointed stories were there is only little depth in the charaters (e.g. like the old guys). For example, It helps the story to know that Dylan is a voyeur in general and not limited in his interrest to Sophia or Ellie. This brings his behavior into a better understanding and could also be an important basis for his Cuckold path incl. a good reason for Dylan saw the event beteen Sophia and Sam. Even though Sophia is not allowed to know anything about this yet (similar to the event between Dylan and Amber), this is certainly not insignificant for the further course of the main story (and will most likely also results to some events with Sophia direct involvement). In any case, the possibilities for interesting entanglements in these stories (with Dylan as a 2nd main) are much better than in all the side stories (with only weak side characters, like the old guys).

BTW, I have nothing against the lesbian stories. They are a very importend base for some Ellie events, i guess. It's just that there are a lot of individual stories that are at least in part poorly integrated into the main story. The event between Ellie/Julia/Sophia was so strong, because, as with the events including Dylan, it is not only connnected to Sophia and Julia, but also one of her childern. This brings so much more story progress, that the event with Alyssa, even including way more sexual progess, is less important for the main story, i think.

In general, I think Dylan is probably the most important character in this story, next to Sophia. If anything, L&P should expand his part and not reduce it. Otherwise, the game runs the risk of simply becoming a collection of unrelated stories.

L&P would have been better off if he'd created 2 games. Unfortunately that would have been a full-time job. Alternatively he could have opted to complete AWAM within a more reasonable time frame than 30-40 years, which wouldn't have demanded F/T working but would have needed more focus on Sophia. Both methods would of necessity have not included time-wasting side jobs & numerous duplications of characters, kinks & situations. Then he could have brought out a sequel game featuring Dylan as the MC & expanded his adventures as he got older & stopped being a virgin. IMO, there is no room in a game, (any game), for 2 official MCs, it's a contradiction in terms.

As I have no interest in incest, I began playing AWAM out of curiousity having seen quality renders of Sophia & Patricia on PD2 visiting the school, in what looked like a very clean city. As always I was in search of escapism. I was aware of incest content but back then managed to avoid most of it. Right now the stories & characters that interest me are in long-term limbo, or have most likely been written out. It's years since we've seen Alyssa, Aiden isn't due back for 5+ years, Nathalie isn't scheduled to reappear until 2035 at the current pace, Bennett is nowhere & there's more but you get the idea. I basically hoped for more interactions between Sophia & adults, (as in a proper extra-marital affair) but this has been noticeably absent for a long time. I only stay with AWAM because of quality renders & out of curiosity, which is where I came in.

As an aside, I play the Aiden path but I don't do it because I want to see Sophia turn into a "filthy whore," there's 100s of games out there like that & they are boring in the extreme.

L&P decided to drop the realism, (at least there was a veneer) & the class (apart from the quality renders), to focus on a game devoted to school-boy wish fulfilment, with a huge cast of good-looking teens, that wouldn't look out of place in an early-'60s beach movie. That concept of a sex race between Dylan & Sam is risible but it's not limited to them, with other characters also playing catch-up. So much for the realism....

What's ironic is that AWAM moves at a pace which will ensure that the teen fans of today will be middle-aged, with teens of their own, by the time they get to see their favourite 'shota-lite' shag Sophia. AWAM doesn't move at the pace of the average teen porn game. I'm guessing that by that time there'll be a whole new generation of fans asking whether Sophia has had sex outside of marriage yet. That's if we believe AWAM will still be around.

 

[XaGnard]

For me it has nothing to do with how intimant Dylan has been with Sophia vs. anyone else. Dylan has far and away been more of a force of influence on the story than any other character. To the detriment of Sophia. The earlier content Playable Days 1-5 or so, Sophia was a much more active participent in her own life. Now, she is exactly as you say a passive protagonist, because, as I've said, she is the lens through which we are now viewing Dylan's story.

The point I'm trying to make is that Sophia/Dylan/Ellie/(Liam) are the main story. It's not just about Sophia. It is therefore wrong to pretend that events presented from Dylan's perspective steal Sophia's story. Rather, Dylan offers a part in the story of AWAM.

Also, I would not call Sophia passive. It's just that she's portrayed as a character who doesn't act out of her own motivation and thus functions poorly as an MC on her own. That Dylan works better here at the moment is, in my opinion, mainly because he is pursuing his own goals. This was already the case from the very beginning. Take the basketball game or the swimming lesson as examples. In both events, it was Sophia who only reacts while Dylan and Sam have an interest in Sophia which they pursue and even start a competition due to it (including Dylan's first decision about how to handle Sophia's interaction with other guys). I don't know which day it was, but the game didn't turn around as you depicted. It is just a very slow build-up, because there are to many side stories.

 

[merin_aspic]

Upcoming update won't be released before end of April he said.


Ok, thanks, L&P.
1. When do you think the current update would be done and released?

Sun, Mar 5 at 6:30 AM

>>> I cannot tell any concrete release date at this stage of development. But not earlier than end of April

Am Montag, 27. Februar 2023 um 08:48:25 MEZ hat Kimb <kimbe

From "I wanna do anything to release it around mid/end april":

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-180-lust-passion.5944/post-10037902

After 2-3 weeks of development: "Not earlier than end of April"

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[mahin007]

Typical l&p

 

[tofhdns]

Among the posts, this word touched my heart.

Anyone who started this game in their teens with their own fantasy will age that way without ever fulfilling their desires.

It is the same for people in their 20s and older.

And Sophia should be the only main character in this game.

No matter how good the Avengers Assemble movie is, it should be used very occasionally.

No matter how good "Hulk" is, "Hulk" should not take up more footage in a movie starring "Iron Man."
For "Hulk," the director has to make his own movie.

This only confuses the audience, destroys the story, increases the workload and slows things down.

All characters except Sophia should be sub-characters and should only play the role of the NPC so that Sophia's story can proceed.

 

[Darin68]

The point I'm trying to make is that Sophia/Dylan/Ellie/(Liam) are the main story. It's not just about Sophia. It is therefore wrong to pretend that events presented from Dylan's perspective steal Sophia's story. Rather, Dylan offers a part in the story of AWAM.

Also, I would not call Sophia passive. It's just that she's portrayed as a character who doesn't act out of her own motivation and thus functions poorly as an MC on her own. That Dylan works better here at the moment is, in my opinion, mainly because he is pursuing his own goals. This was already the case from the very beginning. Take the basketball game or the swimming lesson as examples. In both events, it was Sophia who only reacts while Dylan and Sam have an interest in Sophia which they pursue and even start a competition due to it (including Dylan's first decision about how to handle Sophia's interaction with other guys). I don't know which day it was, but the game didn't turn around as you depicted. It is just a very slow build-up, because there are to many side stories.

I feel that, since the game is called "A Wife and Mother", there should not be a problem having Dylan or Liam take over temporarily as the MC, as long as the story revolved around Sophie in some way.

 

[ancienregimele]

I feel that, since the game is called "A Wife and Mother", there should not be a problem having Dylan or Liam take over temporarily as the MC, as long as the story revolved around Sophie in some way.

That's a fair point but the problem for some of us is that we're not just having occasional different POVs but Dylan is an official "2nd MC" & designated so by the Dev. He's having storylines on his own & he's taking up an inordinate amount of game time, or an appropriate amount for a 2nd MC, depending on a fan's POV. It wouldn't have mattered so much if the pace of development was faster but instead of 1 update per month as promised, it's closer to 3 months. That's 2 & a half years for 1 PD & we're not even half way through the game.

Now we hear that things might speed up in 1-2 years time, (why not now?) but it's just as likely that things will get slower, as they always have, towards a time of 1 update per annum. Given past commitments vs. practice that's not implausible & we've probably all seen it done with other games, right before they blink out.

I no longer gamble but an interesting bet would have been, which will finish first, the patience & financial backing of Patrons, or the Dev's intention to continue? Odds could be even at present.

 

[Darin68]

That's a fair point but the problem for some of us is that we're not just having occasional different POVs but Dylan is an official "2nd MC" & designated so by the Dev. He's having storylines on his own & he's taking up an inordinate amount of game time, or an appropriate amount for a 2nd MC, depending on a fan's POV. It wouldn't have mattered so much if the pace of development was faster but instead of 1 update per month as promised, it's closer to 3 months. That's 2 & a half years for 1 PD & we're not even half way through the game.

Now we hear that things might speed up in 1-2 years time, (why not now?) but it's just as likely that things will get slower, as they always have, towards a time of 1 update per annum. Given past commitments vs. practice that's not implausible & we've probably all seen it done with other games, right before they blink out.

I no longer gamble but an interesting bet would have been, which will finish first, the patience & financial backing of Patrons, or the Dev's intention to continue? Odds could be even at present.

I see what your saying. In that case, sounds like the Dev should probably do a spinoff game about Dylan, instead of taking too much time away from the mother.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I see what your saying. In that case, sounds like the Dev should probably do a spinoff game about Dylan, instead of taking too much time away from the mother.

Or as DLC like the Coach Sophia storyline. Essentially what I've been trying to say.

 

[fzonedout]

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Trying out this game for the first time. How/where do I "put and replace"? I searched the thread but wasn't able to find a clear answer. I've downloaded the CGs for the versions, just don't know where to place them.

Help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks

 

[Chucked_Sandwich]

Goes from 10 to 25 percent in 3 days. 7 weeks till end of April which he might not make....thats 49 days.... image if he actually worked a real week.... just once.......like 40 hours..... wait wait.... he works 12 hour days already..... my bad.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

Among the posts, this word touched my heart.

Anyone who started this game in their teens with their own fantasy will age that way without ever fulfilling their desires.

It is the same for people in their 20s and older.

And Sophia should be the only main character in this game.

No matter how good the Avengers Assemble movie is, it should be used very occasionally.

No matter how good "Hulk" is, "Hulk" should not take up more footage in a movie starring "Iron Man."
For "Hulk," the director has to make his own movie.

This only confuses the audience, destroys the story, increases the workload and slows things down.

All characters except Sophia should be sub-characters and should only play the role of the NPC so that Sophia's story can proceed.

Don't give him any more ideas. Now he'll probably find some way to work having the Hulk and the Avengers show up in the game too. Although having the Hulk stumble upon Sophia and then shouting, "Hulk SMASH...that." would be kind of funny.

 

[SubtleHustle]

I no longer gamble but an interesting bet would have been, which will finish first, the patience & financial backing of Patrons, or the Dev's intention to continue? Odds could be even at present.

My money would not be on the FinSubs. They're too submissive to notice the sunk cost fallacy. I could wager they will keep paying past the two year no update mark.

 

[kimber700]

From "I wanna do anything to release it around mid/end april":

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-180-lust-passion.5944/post-10037902

After 2-3 weeks of development: "Not earlier than end of April"

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Yeah, I answered around end Apirl but now not in April. What we can do? Just wait and see.

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

My money would not be on the FinSubs. They're too submissive to notice the sunk cost fallacy. I could wager they will keep paying past the two year no update mark.

ICSTOR footsteps..?

 

[maybes4]

anyone curious about the next animation?
normally lewd scenes have animation
so some very naughty will have to come about

 

[Chucked_Sandwich]

The animation is of Sophia opening the sliding cupboard. 30 second animation full 4k. Pizza with al the toppings.

 

[Alley_Cat]

My money would not be on the FinSubs. They're too submissive to notice the sunk cost fallacy. I could wager they will keep paying past the two year no update mark.

The other problem with the model L&P has decided to use is the possibility that the ruse will fail and his account will be shut down.

Particularly if the bonus storyline is going to eventuate in Dylan sleeping with Ellie. Is L&P going to be able to play wack-a-mole quickly enough deleting posts celebrating some actual incest in the game.