VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[armion82]

Legally speaking, yes. But it's the same thing when you sell mercedes for 1 dollar, price and item obviously doesn't match each other. The idea is that patreon system that we have right now is flawed, creators being paid not for their content, but for benefits, like discord access or news feed(legally speaking ofc.), when they should be paid for content, that is, a person sees the new version, plays it, if he likes it, if he satisfied with new content = he pays, rn what we see it pure milking mechanics, sorry, imperfect words is full of imperfect systems. Downside is that technically(hardware side) is really hard to go beyond 500 really good qualitish rendersh / month, plus you need to write text, glue it together w programming, while team might get this done, for "hobby" kind of developers its nearly impossible. But i would really like to see it happend. Idk bout Dr Sin in general, we'll see in a few updates where this is going. I'm not that happy with what's going on personally.

You do realise that paying for content is flawed too,right?
The dev can throw 2000 low quality renders or 100 normal quality renders but 5 hours grinding behind them.And get same amount of money as someone who is making 200/300 high quality renders.
Just like EA are doing with same sport games each year for same amount of money with almost nothing new.

 

[maiguelys pirela]

Is the tutorial in pdf of version 0.85 already?

 

[Suputamadre]

Legally speaking, yes. But it's the same thing when you sell mercedes for 1 dollar, price and item obviously doesn't match each other. The idea is that patreon system that we have right now is flawed, creators being paid not for their content, but for benefits, like discord access or news feed(legally speaking ofc.), when they should be paid for content, that is, a person sees the new version, plays it, if he likes it, if he satisfied with new content = he pays, rn what we see it pure milking mechanics, sorry, imperfect words is full of imperfect systems. Downside is that technically(hardware side) is really hard to go beyond 500 really good qualitish rendersh / month, plus you need to write text, glue it together w programming, while team might get this done, for "hobby" kind of developers its nearly impossible. But i would really like to see it happend. Idk bout Dr Sin in general, we'll see in a few updates where this is going. I'm not that happy with what's going on personally.

I think that a good work deserves to be paid like it has to be, and I think it does. There are products that are earning a lot of money with patreon's system, and others that works so hard for nothing, because his product has not enough interesting to pay, and it is the right thing.
If you are a patreon, and you are not Happy about anything about the game, you are free for stoping paying anymore, and that's it: Free market.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

oh pleaseee...
NO MATTER WHAT, PATREON OR MC DONLADS
principle and costumer-seller thing stay the same:
- I pay 5$ per month I xpect what I paid some content per month.
Only stupid ppl can say otherwise, or the one who never lifted more than a spoon in their life.
I work per month, to have to pay food per month, joy per month or anything else I love...it happens that I like to pay games, but not for lies. Just like my country xpect me to pay per month electricty or water or taxes...I love paying every month for MERCHENDISE AND STUFF THAT I LIKE. Is it MaC's big burger or Pizza or some cheep whore...when I pay, I need something in return: when I buy those burgers in McDonald's I xpect to have burger. But when I pay on Patreon, I wait that Burger 5 months. To me, it's a milking bullshit. Yes, game is nice, beautiful, but as I say, I stop paying it or follow on Patreon just cause.

Oh please. If you paid $5 a month you got exactly what was stated on the website:
1.Access to the patreon only feed
2.Access to game updates
3.Access to ordinary scenes of future releases

That's it. There is no hard timetable given about how often game updates come out. They come out when they come out. Some patreons work faster than others but that doesn't mean you're entitled to get the updates when YOU want them. As long as the patreon delivers what was promised for your donation amount and releases their game updates in a reasonable manner you have zero reason to complain. If you don't like how long they are taking then you can pull your donation at any time and move on. There is no "milking bullshit" so stop whining.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

Great update by the way. Eagerly waiting to see the next one.

 

[Petro28]

Boys with mom's credit cards keep wagon it...Patreon statement said:
'' FOR 5$ PER MONTH U GOT ACCESS TO UPDATES ETC.''
SOOO ARE U BLIND ???
PER MONTH UPDATES !!
PER MONTH UPDATES !!
how many times I need to repeat:
If I pay 5$ per month, I need content per month.
When I pay internet per month, I have internet per month.

If you pay a builders per month would you expect a your house to be erected in a month as well?

 

[Petro28]

They build a wall in first month, windows in 2nd, doors in third...sooo...please stop, u make me laugh.

The same is with development of the game, first he has to create, render, code and then translate his script. It all take time mostly rendering or maybe you want an update with 20 renders without a dialog

 

[Petro28]

Same - how ??
My workers update my home every day with bricks, fences, windows, doors or anything...
Developers don't update 5 jpg images per 3 months ??

Ok, I am confused don't do developers post updates on their patreon pages how is developing going or they sit silent like a mouse. (And I know there are some that do that and for them you can have your dislike and I would agree)

 

[Petro28]

I re-create old EURODANCE videos from VHS.
Do u even know how difficult is to render full video 4 or 5 minutes and re-create them ??
Developers don't even using VIDEOS or clips, sooo rendering of HD jpg or any format Images should be 5x faster. Videos took me half of the day to render, sometimes if it is longer, it took me 2 days, NEWS IN TV, u put in Premier or Sony Vega programs, u can render for less than an hour everything that camera guy caught with news reporter. But somehow u try to teach me about rendering couple of JPG images ??? Do u even know how difficult is VIDEO rendering. Images is piece of cake man.

I don't know, but are you doing it alone or as your job at some company that provides you with everything you need?

 

[Petro28]

I recreate videos for my hobbie. I love VHS 80's NBA, VHS Techno videos, VHS World Cups in football. Sooo it is pain in the ass to render them.
- As the matter of fact, I understand only difficult part is 3D models rendering, but no1 can say that u need 3 months for only 5, 7 minutes of gameplay, 100 jpg images, 8 or 9 3D models !!Even Far Cry franchise games with billion textures, models, and everything, does faster. I understand why is that: cause developers think that 1 man can do all insted to co-operate with 2, 3 friends and do work better. In 2 years, we literally have no content in game, we saw boobs - oooh big deal, in 2 years she showed her boobs, she started with 40 years 2 years ago, when she finally fuk Dylan , she will be 60 years old.

So, in your honest opinion how long it should take time to comple an update of 100 images?

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

Boys with mom's credit cards keep wagon it...Patreon statement said:
'' FOR 5$ PER MONTH U GOT ACCESS TO UPDATES ETC.''
SOOO ARE U BLIND ???
PER MONTH UPDATES !!
PER MONTH UPDATES !!
how many times I need to repeat:
If I pay 5$ per month, I need content per month.
When I pay internet per month, I have internet per month.

lol That's not what it says at all. For $5 a month you get access to game updates as they come out. It does not mean updates come out every month. You paid $5 a month and got exactly what it said. Nothing more. But keep on raging over nothing. I'm sure that will help

 

[Konstantino Spyropoul]

1 AND THE HALF MONTH WITH 50 TO 100 IMAGES AND 3 TO 7 3D MODELS. I will try soon and probably release my own game to milk money like others.

Good luck.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

1 AND THE HALF MONTH WITH 50 TO 100 IMAGES AND 3 TO 7 3D MODELS. I will try soon and probably release my own game to milk money like others.

 

[roro]

1 AND THE HALF MONTH WITH 50 TO 100 IMAGES AND 3 TO 7 3D MODELS. I will try soon and probably release my own game to milk money like others.

Now I'm confused. You say it takes 1.5 months to render up to 100 images with up to 7 3d models.
But this last update had more than 530 different renders, with much more than 7 3d models, and don't forget it had a lot of text - several pages of text. According to you, L&P is super fast!
But keep your head up, we would love to see your game!

 

[Lazuardy]

I don't know the rules, so forgive me for my mistake... So, i just wanna ask, how if someone here moded or remake AWAM (not just a fan art) than we can see who's the faster and best quality build (render, story and etc), the real devs (LnP) or the new devs?

 

[MykeRosy]

Many here is "Bitching" about L&P Update but Im not. I enjoyed it, i thought its good.

 

[agriosage22]

These kind of expectations are the main reason people are disappointed from this game's updates. Of course it will happen in the game, but not in the upcoming update (nor the one after the next imo). The dev gave a roadmap for sex scenes outside the marriage, so don't expect more than some lewd situations, some erotic scenes and some minor progression that will eventually lead to the things that you wrote, but in a more realistic way.

true but atleast this update she did something with the son and the bullys that was implyed last update and next update will have the other teacher going on a date with her maybe add some drug that gets her wet but doesn't lead to anything but sets up to something else

 

[Alley_Cat]

MykeRosy - which route? There seem to be two main camps of people that enjoy the game - Aiden/Bennet route or Ellie/Patricia. Then a few Dylan/Sam, but I don't think any of those guys have posted in a while.

I'm curious if there is anyone out there playing the Aiden route that did enjoy the update.

 

[roro]

Confused of - what ?? Rendering 100 jpg background images with 5, 7 models ?? U must believe everything what developers tells you. He may say u that he render 5000 images, but instead, I see only 3 per stage for xample u put in home only bathroom 3 to 5 angles, other 3 rooms and other kitchen etc. That all is not even 15 background images maximu 30 inside home. U only need to arrange 3d models to fit into environment. Also...if u cannot do job in less than month...or month an a half, u dont ask cash per month. Finish the job first then ask for money. Dont start to open human chest or heart if u know shit about surgery. Imagine ypur internet provider to tells you: u know what, u pay me this month and nxt 3 months but I will give you internet only for this month, but not for next 2.

You don't have to believe the developer, you can count the distinct images yourself. And of course not every two renders are composed from different scenes, that's common practice and not unique to l&p.
Why won't you try it on your own, and show us your results? If you can make as beautiful renders as l&p fast enough, then you would have a good argument, and maybe you could even "milk" some patrons on the way.

 

[roro]

true but atleast this update she did something with the son and the bullys that was implyed last update and next update will have the other teacher going on a date with her maybe add some drug that gets her wet but doesn't lead to anything but sets up to something else

I'm not 100% sure about the numbers but I remember L&P said that first lesbian encounter will happen in playable day 12 and the first sexual encounter with someone other than her husband will happen in playable day 16 ( If someone remember it differently, please correct me). I don't know if by sexual encounter (with a guy) l&p meant hj, bj or actual sex, but either case it will take time so no reason to expect it in the upcoming update.