VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[depechedNode]

If anyone wants to see how can a good developer increase his/her work output with all the money earned and keep promises then look at Fashion Business by decentmonkey.

Both games started as RPGM games, then switched to Ren'Py. Both are female protagonist corruption games, very different stories but also very similar. Both games have tons of renders just for story telling and extremely detailed renders tor this type of games. AWAM has a more realistic approach with more VN style, FB is more like a parody sandbox VN game.

L&P works like a turtle, very slow releases, keeping no promises, hiring no one. Obsessed with so called perfection, tinkering and wasting time on very unnecessary details and scenes.

DM works like a machine, releases regularly and more frequently, with render amounts that would put any developer to shame including L&P. He also is obsessed with perfected renders and details while actually providing logical and useful scenes.

One thinks he/she is a James Cameron, other one actually acts like James Cameron.

So think very carefully before supporting, compare both games and see what can be done right and what can be done so wrong. One has a great future, other one has a dark future drown in obsession and self worshipping.

 

[Old Dog]

Just out of curiosity, to those waiting for straight sex on the Filthy route, but is it just sex with Sophia that you're waiting for? Since it's probably more likely Sophia will wait and see how Dylan and Emma turn out for example. And is there any new information about Sam. Even if it's not with Sophia, I imagine getting the car, and the concert will help him in this regard

There is no new information on the Sam event other than what we know already.
As for Sophia having straight sex(full sex)I really don't see that happening for a good while,foreplay yea sure, but I think that will be it for now unless you are right in thinking that L&P has moved the story forward.
As for Sophia having full sex with a male I am more curious as to who it could be with than the actual event it self.

 

[david449]

I want to know your opinion on who do you guys think Sophia's first straight-sex with (in filthy route)?

 

[Holy Bacchus]

As some people have already said, he really needs an editor to cut some of the content. Even with the « mains characters » . If you play the Sam route, what was the point of his scene in the last update? What was there that advanced their relationship? Nothing. We learn that he likes to peep on Sophia. Nothing new. That she like to tease him and that she doesn’t mind. Nothing new. That he’s obsessed about her. Nothing new. That he dreams about her ? We already know that he has some problems sleeping but know we know that he’s subconsciously obsessed about her. That’s not really much. On the sexual side, he massage her back, shoulders and arms. She’s in a bikini and her nipples get hard. Nothing new and I would say even a regression. All this event could have been condensed. Like this: Sam call Sophia (he has her number), he talk about his upcoming concert, and invite her and would gladly drive her now that he has his license and a car. It was not the biggest of event, but even there he can win some time.

I feel that that's a really good assessment of this whole thing.

Yes, it is meant to be building up in a slower way that doesn't feel as rushed and sudden as other games, but there are scenes that just repeat the same sort of teasing and exposition that we've already seen rather than advancing the relationships forward with something new or an escalation of a previous event/interaction. We even have moments that backslide, like Sophia asking Dylan to turn around when she gets changed even though he's seen her in bikinis, lingerie, and has even seen her tits. Instead, she should have allowed him to look which shows that a wall has come down and that she's comfortable with him being in the room which moves their relationship forwards, not backwards.

L&P is getting too bogged down in the slow build-up and the fact is that Sophia seems more than ready to starting taking big steps in her relationships with characters like Dylan, Ellie, Patricia, and Sam, and we don't need to wait until we're into Day 22 or anything like that for something major to happen.

 

[ashitanojoe]

When is he cancelling his college courses?

When he graduates.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

If anyone wants to see how can a good developer increase his/her work output with all the money earned and keep promises then look at Fashion Business by decentmonkey.

Both games started as RPGM games, then switched to Ren'Py. Both are female protagonist corruption games, very different stories but also very similar. Both games have tons of renders just for story telling and extremely detailed renders tor this type of games. AWAM has a more realistic approach with more VN style, FB is more like a parody sandbox VN game.

L&P works like a turtle, very slow releases, keeping no promises, hiring no one. Obsessed with so called perfection, tinkering and wasting time on very unnecessary details and scenes.

DM works like a machine, releases regularly and more frequently, with render amounts that would put any developer to shame including L&P. He also is obsessed with perfected renders and details while actually providing logical and useful scenes.

One thinks he/she is a James Cameron, other one actually acts like James Cameron.

So think very carefully before supporting, compare both games and see what can be done right and what can be done so wrong. One has a great future, other one has a dark future drown in obsession and self worshipping.

Great post.
Finally most people are waking up to this dev's "perfectionism".

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

I feel that that's a really good assessment of this whole thing.

Yes, it is meant to be building up in a slower way that doesn't feel as rushed and sudden as other games, but there are scenes that just repeat the same sort of teasing and exposition that we've already seen rather than advancing the relationships forward with something new or an escalation of a previous event/interaction. We even have moments that backslide, like Sophia asking Dylan to turn around when she gets changed even though he's seen her in bikinis, lingerie, and has even seen her tits. Instead, she should have allowed him to look which shows that a wall has come down and that she's comfortable with him being in the room which moves their relationship forwards, not backwards.

That scene was so stupid I just rolled my eyes. Made no sense. We're gonna keep having these kind of scenes until he cant squeeze the tit anymore.
And im not talking about Dylan.

 

[Notretsam]

Not going go through and quote a variety of things but will post a note on some things.

1) The point of the Sam scene in the last update is another step towards Sophia's corruption into having sex, doesn't mean it's Sam, it could be anyone. Also, has been a peeping theme with Sam throughout AWAM, been 3 scenes in total so clearly, Sam is a voyeur and each scene tracks with who Sam is.

2) Promises L&P made, the problem isn't the promises he made and not doing them, the problem is he made the promises and didn't cover himself by posting a disclaimer, which I think should be obvious to people complaining. "This is what am thinking and planning today, but we shall see how things go when we reach that time, I may find it wouldn't be AWAM's or my own benefit to do this, but I promise to do something special."

Some better explanations from L&P would help for sure but things do change, that happens with pretty much every business or creative project, so don't think L&P can be really blamed for doing the same that most people/businesses do.

3) Lack of updates, I have always been against this argument and I still am, however, someone posted a while ago that there should be 5 updates per year, wish I could remember who it was but I agreed with that, I would lean more towards 4 per year. So yeah possible there only be 2/3 and I do find that difficult to defend, I would prefer an update every month but the end of the day, I don't support this VN so I'll take what I can get each year.

4) Lack of sex scene, eventually a sex scene is going to happen and I rather focus on what it could be instead of when it would be. Whenever it happens, I think it will be awesome. I think it's closer than people think but I could be wrong, still a lot of really cool erotic scenes in AWAM though.

 

[WildBillKatt]

I want to know your opinion on who do you guys think Sophia's first straight-sex with (in filthy route)?

I think Dylan is going to get a number of firsts but Sam will get the penetration.

 

[Anon4321]

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[lockerxx]

Just out of curiosity, to those waiting for straight sex on the Filthy route, but is it just sex with Sophia that you're waiting for? Since it's probably more likely Sophia will wait and see how Dylan and Emma turn out for example. And is there any new information about Sam. Even if it's not with Sophia, I imagine getting the car, and the concert will help him in this regard

sex out of her marriage? who knows my guess bennet.

 

[Notretsam]

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" The characters are hot and the erotic scenes are very well rendered."

accurate review and personally I have it closer to 1, although am a little concerned about lack of updates each year, 2 just isn't enough.

 

[alward]

AWAM is now 2.65gb(?) and BAIDK is 8GB
Of course, in the BAIDK game there will be problems in the future with Mega and other load services if DPC to continue this way.
Edit: Dammit, DPC offer too that only one episode upgrade thing too. I Forget that.

But why couldn’t L&P offer upgrades to the previous version:
Like you own 0.095 already and DL only 0.100 stuff.

Because you need to split data in a modular way (as in separate archives, so you don't need to download one 2.6gb file, just few mb with the new files), and add renpy upload and sync functionality, that automates the download and controls allowed users with password.

 

[Alley_Cat]

sex out of her marriage? who knows my guess bennet.

I'm more asking about who else besides Sophia the main characters might have sex with before Sophia. So Emma for Dylan, Julia or Logan for Ellie, Carl for Patricia, Jennifer for Aiden etc. So for Bennett it could be anybody, since apparently he sleeps around, although I'm not convinced. If he really was as charming as he says he is, he wouldn't have needed to fail a student in order to get laid

 

[humanno21]

If anyone wants to see how can a good developer increase his/her work output with all the money earned and keep promises then look at Fashion Business by decentmonkey.

My misfortune is that games from good and productive developers that make regular releases don't have my favorite fetishes.

 

[depechedNode]

My misfortune is that games from good and productive developers that make regular releases don't have my favorite fetishes.

If your main fetish is realistic daily life approach of corrupting a girl/woman and if you don't mind "real porn" usage as the art of a game, then check Girl Life by Kevin Smarts. But it's not a VN, it's a sandbox/open world simulation game where you shape the character's future.

It has mostly very good immersive writing with gigantic amount of content. I was avoiding "real porn" games like a plague until trying Girl Life. Most of the image usages are very good and consistent for a "real porn" game.

 

[armion82]

AWAM is now 2.65gb(?) and BAIDK is 8GB
Of course, in the BAIDK game there will be problems in the future with Mega and other load services if DPC to continue this way.
Edit: Dammit, DPC offer too that only one episode upgrade thing too. I Forget that.

But why couldn’t L&P offer upgrades to the previous version:
Like you own 0.095 already and DL only 0.100 stuff.

The game was more than 3GB 2 yeas ago.But he menage to make it around 1GB.
Also the dev was talking about downloading only the new stuff more than 1 year ago,but nothing happen.He return to that last month but we have no idea if we will see it in the future.
Now the newest idea/horribble if you ask me/is to make a release when 1 big or 2/3 smaller events are done.That won't increase the speed of the game at all.It porbably will lead even to decrease it.
Instead of getting 2 updates for a full day and 6-8 months we will go to 6-8 updates for a full day and potentially more than 6-8 months.

I don't see it being Bennet as Sophia has other choices to solve that problem.
Aiden seems more interested in visual stimulation/ Exhibitionism just now but I guess that could change.
Would Sophia sleep with her daughters boyfriend(Logan)?I will put a no there.
The museum guys.?
gym guys ?
Neil.That would also be a no as he has no major part to play.
Janitor. That would be a no for now as I think he has a role on the good wife route.
Zac is starting to come into the story but I would say that it is too early to say for sure
I would say that Tyler naybe has the best chance, outside of the main characters,to have full sex with Sophia.

He is talking about Bennett fucking another woman,not Sophia.
Maybe she will see him and another teacher?That way she can resolve Bennett problem?

 

[Old Dog]

The game was more than 3GB 2 yeas ago.But he menage to make it around 1GB.
Also the dev was talking about downloading only the new stuff more than 1 year ago,but nothing happen.He return to that last month but we have no idea if we will see it in the future.
Now the newest idea/horribble if you ask me/is to make a release when 1 big or 2/3 smaller events are done.That won't increase the speed of the game at all.It porbably will lead even to decrease it.
Instead of getting 2 updates for a full day and 6-8 months we will go to 6-8 updates for a full day and potentially more than 6-8 months.

He is talking about Bennett fucking another woman,not Sophia.
Maybe she will see him and another teacher?That way she can resolve Bennett problem?

Oops read it wrong.She already has the means to solve to this problem

 

[Mamonetti]

After all, all that she wants is another baby... literally.

I think you're wrong. Although that's what she says, the main problem has to do with her life having become a routine, which is something common for people in their forties, as they reach a stable lifestyle (work, family, children getting more independent..) and for different reasons their lives end up being repetitive.

In this specific case, their change of home hasn't fulfilled her expectations at all, specially considering what's happening with Liam who's always "busy", as well as her part-time job, which has had a negative effect on her, as she has too much free time. If she had a full-time job and Liam could have more time to spare with the family, this wouldn't be a problem at all.

 

[Mamonetti]

I'm not biased, i already invested 544,50€ in L&P work, i'm in the legendary tier long ago, and i think he's slow, he is an artist, not a developer, not a director, nor a business focused man. Beautiful rich detailed renders, narrative and imaginative history, which is a piece of art on itself. Yes, but he won't delegate work, it's a control obsessive one, and he's going to burn down, which will be sad, as i like his work.

I'm also part of renpy development supporters, and i'm not entirely sure in the current state RenPy is able to handle such huge monolithyc files, gigabytes in an archive... It's gonna end weighting more than the entire Cyberpunk2077 game. With practically no modularity...

As many of us know, it's his baby, it lacks planning, it's not resource efficient, nor bussines oriented, in development you try to split the proyect into small working pieces, many of them, that you develop, and stitch together then you push to alpha, lots of little pices (iterations) that can be split over a working team, of designers, and coders, translation, accountings, etc...

And you take in account the cashflow, where does the money come, where does it spend, what's your return of investment in mid time. I'ts intelligent to spend xxxx money on a render farm to batch render production?, or invest in hardware and build inhouse render servers?... Add code and code in a linear way until it breaks, or contract a sofware architect that helps you build the motor for your proyect, how you use your resources, etc. That's a business baseplan.

Being worried if you should apply a 3500 kelvin light or a 5000k light source so it's more "cinematic", and pack of NPCs a restaurant up to detailing the cutlery 6 desk appart from your MC wich the boke (blur) of the camera won't show. It's more in the line of an art director than a game developer. Yeah, you have a window in one render, build a friggin forest with 10thousand trees, squirrels and birds, 11 textures for the leaves, and render that shit for a 3cm window in a fixed angle view onto 1 still render... "It takes time to render", shit, yeah. Use a fucking photo, and crop it to size... Focus on what the camera has to show, just what your eye can see...

And Man, it's a visual novel, if you keep splitting and adding options it's gonna become an openworld RPG...

I agree 100%. Becoming more professional is a must for someone who intends to develop games for a living (that's something we can see in one of the goals of the patreon site).

What I find more than meaningless among many of the comments here is the request of switching to 1080p (not to mention 4K). Ok, that was promised, but that's completely secondary given the current situation and considering what's in the TODO list (increase speed, some paths being almost stuck, etc).

In order to move forward at a reasonable speed, the creation/rendering stages must be divided in smaller subtasks, with L&P being more focused on defining in detail what's necessary (the whole scenario, characters involved, pieces of furniture, etc), what actually happens (a plot including one by one all the steps where renders must be done, etc), a quick check of the scene with a fast render before the final one is done (no lights, no textures.. that usually takes seconds), and then a revision of the renders once they're finished. With this, L&P can rely on someone else (there might be actually 2 or 3 people doing this if necessary) while he/she is mostly in charge of the definition and revision stages.

IMHO that's the only way the game can be finished, and not just "in time" (which I don't know what it really means for him/her), but also thinking about the possibility of the game being eventually canceled if it takes too long. In fact that's the most likely outcome if things continue as they are now.

Regards