VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Matt1]

Of course Aiden will want to sleep with Sophia which is the natural progression that route will lead to. On what planet does a student not want to sleep with their hot teacher? LOL. Only question to be seen is if L&P is somehow blackmailed by some to not have that happen in his game, like he was into shortening the Bennett route. Ironic?

 

[ancienregimele]

Of course Aiden will want to sleep with Sophia which is the natural progression that route will lead to. On what planet does a student not want to sleep with their hot teacher? LOL. Only question to be seen is if L&P is somehow blackmailed by some to not have that happen in the game, like he was into shortening the Bennet route. Ironic?

Regretably, the anti-blackmail lobby have successfully inflicted their views on the rest of us. How this was done I'm not sure, (not being a paying supporter of this creator..... tho' I believe being very vocal may have helped) but other than a perhaps misguided over-protective attitude towards Sophia, I can't reconcile this, from a moral perspective, with a game that seems to take the probability of mutual incestuous relationships in its' stride, with all the associated potential familial damage after the "pleasure." Personally I can't stand incest but that doesn't mean that I would try to persuade the Dev to water it down, cut it short, or generally spoil another person's fun. Choices are provided in this game, so if you don't care for something, you can avoid or work round it. If I become a supporter, (which depends on faster output & is thus unlikely to happen), I would try to do some lobbying of my own, in a belated attempt to counteract the view which would have Sophia behave reprehensibly of her own free will, rather than be coerced into something against her better nature. I can only hope the Dev rethinks this.

 

[Matt1]

L&P's scenario for the Aiden and Bennett routes were unique and well played - Through the teacher's/co-worker's son. But a few have put so much pressure on the developer that they backed off or altered course which is quite hilarious and ironic. I don't like blackmail.....so I'll threaten to walk away from the game/lobby/whatever we want to call it in order to make someone (e.g. L&P) change their plans for their game. That in itself is blackmail.

And agree, there are ways to avoid routes that one does not prefer. Or hit the skip button which literally zooms so quickly that one would completely miss seeing a scene. But apparently that is not good enough for some who harp ad nauseum of their displeasure about the Aiden and Bennett routes.

 

[DonkeyFace]

That's sexual abuse, not intimacy. Sophia didn't choose to do it.

Sophia also didn't choose to have Tyler's hand on her inner thigh, but there it was. She also didn't choose to have Patricia grab her by the head and turn her face and then plant one on her lips either, but it happened. The choice to let it go further came after the fact. Were these other two instances abuse? Most would probably say no because these other two characters are not adversarial. However Tyler was pretty much still a stranger at this point. My Man Bennet is very proud, and Sophia attempted to cut him down to size by saying he probably has a 3 inch weenie, so in an attempt to protect his ego, he proved her wrong. Outwardly she displayed annoyance at this domineering gesture, but her inner monologue told a different story, one of lust.

On another note: Contrary to how most people view the Sophia/Bennet saga, It is NOT blackmail or extortion. A more accurate term to describe their situation is one of bartering, or even reciprocity. Dylan didn't pass his test because he neglected his studies (probably because he was too busy plotting ways to get into mama's panties). Nevertheless mama bear thinks it's unfair, and approaches Bennet about giving her twit son another chance. He basically tells her that rules are rules and it would be unfair to his other students if he were to break the rules just for her son. So she keeps attempting to persuade him to give twit boy another chance. But Bennet is a hard ass, yet like most of us men, has a weakness for sex. So he proposes a deal. He'll break the rules on her behalf, but ONLY for this one thing (this weakness). Take it or leave it. (I know I wrote something similar to this earlier in the thread, but it was more exaggerated and silly. But now I'm being serious).

Can anyone tell me how Bennet is blackmailing her? That term does not apply here. Aiden (yes) but Bennet (no). Now sure, what Bennet is doing is rather scummy and distasteful, but it is not blackmail.

 

[DonkeyFace]

Regretably, the anti-blackmail lobby have successfully inflicted their views on the rest of us. How this was done I'm not sure, (not being a paying supporter of this creator..... tho' I believe being very vocal may have helped) but other than a perhaps misguided over-protective attitude towards Sophia, I can't reconcile this, from a moral perspective, with a game that seems to take the probability of mutual incestuous relationships in its' stride, with all the associated potential familial damage after the "pleasure." Personally I can't stand incest but that doesn't mean that I would try to persuade the Dev to water it down, cut it short, or generally spoil another person's fun. Choices are provided in this game, so if you don't care for something, you can avoid or work round it. If I become a supporter, (which depends on faster output & is thus unlikely to happen), I would try to do some lobbying of my own, in a belated attempt to counteract the view which would have Sophia behave reprehensibly of her own free will, rather than be coerced into something against her better nature. I can only hope the Dev rethinks this.

L&P's scenario for the Aiden and Bennett routes were unique and well played - Through the teacher's/co-worker's son. But a few have put so much pressure on the developer that they backed off or altered course which is quite hilarious and ironic. I don't like blackmail.....so I'll threaten to walk away from the game/lobby/whatever we want to call it in order to make someone (e.g. L&P) change their plans for their game. That in itself is blackmail.

And agree, there are ways to avoid routes that one does not prefer. Or hit the skip button which literally zooms so quickly that one would completely miss seeing a scene. But apparently that is not good enough for some who harp ad nauseum of their displeasure about the Aiden and Bennett routes.

I love you two fellas. We are Kindred spirits for the most part.

 

[Jstforme]

Sophia also didn't choose to have Tyler's hand on her inner thigh, but there it was. She also didn't choose to have Patricia grab her by the head and turn her face and then plant one on her lips either, but it happened. The choice to let it go further came after the fact. Were these other two instances abuse? Most would probably say no because these other two characters are not adversarial. However Tyler was pretty much still a stranger at this point. My Man Bennet is very proud, and Sophia attempted to cut him down to size by saying he probably has a 3 inch weenie, so in an attempt to protect his ego, he proved her wrong. Outwardly she displayed annoyance at this domineering gesture, but her inner monologue told a different story, one of lust.

On another note: Contrary to how most people view the Sophia/Bennet saga, It is NOT blackmail or extortion. A more accurate term to describe their situation is one of bartering, or even reciprocity. Dylan didn't pass his test because he neglected his studies (probably because he was too busy plotting ways to get into mama's panties). Nevertheless mama bear thinks it's unfair, and approaches Bennet about giving her twit son another chance. He basically tells her that rules are rules and it would be unfair to his other students if he were to break the rules just for her son. So she keeps attempting to persuade him to give twit boy another chance. But Bennet is a hard ass, yet like most of us men, has a weakness for sex. So he proposes a deal. He'll break the rules on her behalf, but ONLY for this one thing (this weakness). Take it or leave it. (I know I wrote something similar to this earlier in the thread, but it was more exaggerated and silly. But now I'm being serious).

Can anyone tell me how Bennet is blackmailing her? That term does not apply here. Aiden (yes) but Bennet (no). Now sure, what Bennet is doing is rather scummy and distasteful, but it is not blackmail.

HAHAHAHAHA, I like how you try painting Bennet in a positive light. "he's a man of morals, just week when it comes to sex"...like the dude has never tried taking advantage of a situation, or he's really just a misunderstood good guy that lives by a code of rules...he just wants to be fair to his students . Sophia pressured him into that situation, he wouldn't have done anything otherwise. He's really a good guy that was taken advantage of by Sophia, to help her poor idiot son.
Bennet is a dirtbag, and he's portrayed that way IMHO...he saw an advantage, and he's going to squeeze it for everything he can get away with. After he found out he's her son, he gave him bad grades on purpose, waiting for his opportunity to take advantage...Sophia wants her son treated fairly like the other students, she has to bend to his will...maybe not outright blackmail, but downright dirty.

PS: I love the story line with Bennet, it's spicy and can't wait to see it unfold...but don't fill yourself with delusions that Bennet is a good guy that is being taken advantage of by Sophia.

 

[ashitanojoe]

No offense, but Aiden and Bennet are just one-sided characters, they are just awful people, nothing more. There is no profundity in their personalities, they exist merely to cause trouble which leads to lewd scenes, that's all. And if we demand to the dev deeper characters, the development of the game will slow down even more.

 

[DonkeyFace]

HAHAHAHAHA, I like how you try painting Bennet in a positive light.

Ha. maybe a little bit Yes he is a scumbag, but a beloved one.

PS: I love the story line with Bennet, it's spicy and can't wait to see it unfold...but don't fill yourself with delusions that Bennet is a good guy that is being taken advantage of by Sophia.

Sounds like you are referring to my intentionally silly post here: #34,079

 

[kevin.a]

Does anybody know if are going to have an update of the museum guys, the boy of the dance club and the janitor plots? In this case, in wich update? Do you think that L&P is planning some kind of sexual interaction between Sophia and the postman?

 

[XaGnard]

No offense, but Aiden and Bennet are just one-sided characters, they are just awful people, nothing more. There is no profundity in their personalities, they exist merely to cause trouble which leads to lewd scenes, that's all. And if we demand to the dev deeper characters, the development of the game will slow down even more.

L&P should have told the VN with a maximum of one blackmail stories. The school is presented by L&P almost as a war zone. It's not only Aiden and Bannet, but also the director of the school and the janitor who have harassed the MC. No one there behaves even remotely realistically.

Does anybody know if are going to have an update of the museum guys, the boy of the dance club and the janitor plots? In this case, in wich update? Do you think that L&P is planning some kind of sexual interaction between Sophia and the postman?

Do the collage guys really need to be there to tell the story? Does it really have to have all these side jobs? Does the game really need the casino story besides the bullies at school already exist?

To be honest I still hope that L&P will finally drop most of these side stories. There are just too many storylines for someone with the drive to perfectionism like L&P to ever finish.

 

[Bane71]

L&P should have told the VN with a maximum of one blackmail stories. The school is presented by L&P almost as a war zone. It's not only Aiden and Bannet, but also the director of the school and the janitor who have harassed the MC. No one there behaves even remotely realistically.

You're right! This is not a school, but an obstacle course for Sofia!

 

[Hentai_Lover00]

well thats a lot of render sure but if it takes lot of render for Sophia just to get off of the bed or Get out from the Car then it has no meaning

 

[Scarlet56]

With the idea of doing 1/3 update, I hope L&P will not fall into the genre trap:
OK, I'm going to be able to develop an event well because I only have this one to do.
And thereby increase the art or whatever you want.
I'm afraid of that.

 

[Old Dog]

Does anybody know if are going to have an update of the museum guys, the boy of the dance club and the janitor plots? In this case, in wich update? Do you think that L&P is planning some kind of sexual interaction between Sophia and the postman?

The museum boys will be back on playable day 14.
As for the janitor we have little information on him and only know that he will not play a large part in the game.
Sophia has said that they may meet again on a Friday/Saturday,at the end of the club scene,but it could happen even though Sophia has a low opinion of Tyler and knows that he is only after 1 things.

 

[Old Dog]

L&P should have told the VN with a maximum of one blackmail stories. The school is presented by L&P almost as a war zone. It's not only Aiden and Bannet, but also the director of the school and the janitor who have harassed the MC. No one there behaves even remotely realistically.





Do the collage guys really need to be there to tell the story? Does it really have to have all these side jobs? Does the game really need the casino story besides the bullies at school already exist?

To be honest I still hope that L&P will finally drop most of these side stories. There are just too many storylines for someone with the drive to perfectionism like L&P to ever finish.

L&P has already said that he will not drop the side jobs,I guess this could change in the future but for now they stay.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

With the idea of doing 1/3 update, I hope L&P will not fall into the genre trap:
OK, I'm going to be able to develop an event well because I only have this one to do.
And thereby increase the art or whatever you want.
I'm afraid of that.

That's my primary concern as well, that splitting the days up like this might make them feel as though they have to make these updates large so they're not too short and that this would keep people happy which would then balloon each update to 1000 or so renders and 4-5 month update cycles, an this would be so much worse for the game than things are now.

500-600 renders per update would be a perfectly fine amount, and they were able to do the 0.095 update with 515 renders in 2 months so we know they can do that amount in a short space of time and I, for one, was perfectly satisified with the content of that update.

Smalll updates, short timeframe, this should be the way forward and we can only hope that this is the strategy L&P will adopt moving forward, but I have very serious doubts.

 

[Old Dog]

That's my primary concern as well, that splitting the days up like this might make them feel as though they have to make these updates large so they're not too short and that this would keep people happy which would then balloon each update to 1000 or so renders and 4-5 month update cycles, an this would be so much worse for the game than things are now.

500-600 renders per update would be a perfectly fine amount, and they were able to do the 0.095 update with 515 renders in 2 months so we know they can do that amount in a short space of time and I, for one, was perfectly satisified with the content of that update.

Smalll updates, short timeframe, this should be the way forward and we can only hope that this is the strategy L&P will adopt moving forward, but I have very serious doubts.

We will know more when the game is released and L&P posts his thoughts so we really don't have that much longer to wait.

 

[DirtyDozen]

L&P's scenario for the Aiden and Bennett routes were unique and well played - Through the teacher's/co-worker's son. But a few have put so much pressure on the developer that they backed off or altered course which is quite hilarious and ironic. I don't like blackmail.....so I'll threaten to walk away from the game/lobby/whatever we want to call it in order to make someone (e.g. L&P) change their plans for their game. That in itself is blackmail.

And agree, there are ways to avoid routes that one does not prefer. Or hit the skip button which literally zooms so quickly that one would completely miss seeing a scene. But apparently that is not good enough for some who harp ad nauseum of their displeasure about the Aiden and Bennett routes.

Everyone's arguing over weather Aiden and/or Brennett are blackmailing Sophia and I'm just waiting on Sophia to get piped by another dude before I die

 

[nexer]

If L&P quits some events, like sidejob, has to fill the day with something, with what? more Alyssa, more Ellie, more Dylan, and after all it's the same, Alyssa or museum boys, L&P has to create a scene. Where's the time-saving? True, with new characters is different, but already L&P said that is not going to get anyone else into the game.

So, the only way is to cut parts of the day and characters, only Dylan/Ellie/.... and days with events only in the morning/noon/evening.

 

[Notretsam]

I don't mind the Bennett stuff being cut, as wasn't to big a fan of him. I don't mind blackmail stories, just didn't care to see him with Sophia.

L & P has committed to much time to the tasks now that I doubt he will cut anything from plans with Aiden, he better not, it's the best part of AWAM.

As I said many times now and sure people get sick of me saying this, "the side stories are the main story", it's all designed to corrupt Sophia enough to have sex with someone who is not her husband.

The real question is, what one of the 4 options below will the filthy route end up being.

1. will it lead to just be one person only (aka Dylan only but choices on who that 1 person is)
2. will it be multiple people separately (aka Dylan, Sam, Ellie, Zach, Aiden, Patricia, Alyssa)
3. will it be multiple people together(aka Dylan, Sam, Ellie, Zach, Aiden + friends, Patricia, Alyssa)
4. will it be everyone and all

clearly, it will be 1 person, to begin with, but I mean after, where does L&P go, its either of the 4 options I would think.

I personally think it be 2 but hoping for 3 (and secretly 4 but highly doubt it will be 4)