VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[PietruccioTheHilander]

No, we need to hold L&P's feet the fire on this one. Every time we (and I include myself in this) have made excuses for him, we have enabled him to put out an unsatisfactory update.

This update isn't "slow pace", it is as close to "no pace" as we can get. L&P took 100 days to move the story millimeters, not even inches. Anyone who follows this game knew the outline of this update, so I don't think any had unrealistic expectations. But that doesn't mean the story can't advance- that Sophia's characterization can't advance- more than a few millimeters.

Let's look at the sauna scene because I think everyone agrees that it is a huge wasted opportunity.

Putting aside for a second the lack of sexual content in this scene, let's just focus on the narrative progression. Since this is the first time we've interacted with DeShawn, it would be great to interact with him and see how he and Sophia relate; but instead we get boring exposition.

"And this is also what they did and got to know each other better.

Especially Sophia and DeShawn, who had a lot in common such as their enthusiasm for sports. They got along pretty well.

He told Sophia about his success in college with the basketball team, whereas Sophia revealed to him that she also played basketball in college and that she wasn't even that bad (Emphasis mine, but WTF???? Wasn't even that bad? What kind of back handed insult is this?)

But since women don't really earn much from it, she just studied sports and after her time as a lecturer, she decided to become a high school teacher.

In fact, Sophia found him very likable. And so they kept chatting about basketball and workouts, whereas Vicky, of course, also wasn't ignored."

What the hell is this writing? This is boring by every definition. This is a visual medium, the motto "show, don't tell" exists for a reason. Instead, we get 5 poorly written lines across 1 static image telling us about the conversation that we're supposed to be a part of. This is lazy in the worst possible way. This conversation should have been fluid, showing the three of them engaging in an interesting conversation and enjoying one another. Instead, we're told that they had a conversation, and that Sophia enjoyed it, but we don't actually get to see the conversation or experience it. This is an absolute master class in things you should not do when trying to tell a story. We get no sense of DeShawn as a character with this boring exposition. We don't even get any sense of Vicky as she is only referenced awkwardly in the last line "Whereas Vicky, of course, also wasn't ignored." Like, what the fuck is that?

Then, immediately following this exciting exchange, we get 16 consecutive frames of dialog that transition between the same two images. The images never change, the camera just transitions back and forth looking at DeShawn or Sophia. Here we get some actual conversation between the two of them...and it's boring. They're reciting facts to each other, but not really having an entertaining conversation. Sophia tells DeShawn about herself, sharing facts with him that we as the audience already know and don't need to hear again. Yes, she's a teacher. Yes, she's married. Yes, she has kids. Yes, her husband works in the fashion industry. Yes, she's only working part-time right now. We learn nothing about Sophia in this exchange. We could have learned more about Sophia in the previous exchange about sports, but L&P decided to skip over that so that he could show her repeating facts to us that we already know. All of this requires 16 clicks of the mouse to get through. 16 clicks between two images. It's boring, uninspired, and lazy.

And what happens when we get to the sexual content of this scene? From the beginning when you select "Stay and watch them a little bit" to the end when you select "Call attention to yourself", there are 5 frames of content, only 2 of which show any sexual content. The other three are the same image of Sophia at two different angles. We just spent 16 frames going over the same old boring details about Sophia that were established way back on Day 1, but when we get to the show L&P can't be bothered to create more than 2 new renders and only 5 total frames?

From top to bottom, this scene is a fucking disaster. We can like slow burns, but this can't even be considered a burn because there's no heat.

it would be interesting if someone told him about his patreon

 

[Y.Gromov]

I say that the update is good! The truth is not enough more explicit scenes (pictures vaginas and pinetration on already in existing scenes), remember the first sex scene with her husband - where was the variation of choice, who to play the scene for, soft or hard and ect. I miss it.
P.S: funny moment))

Spoiler: scene from the game

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Spoiler: the scene I worked on December 21st,slightly altered the arrangement of the hands

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[apollo32]

Hello everyone, I wish you all a happy 2021 ... and of course, I can't help but ask ... do you already have sex in this game ?? since 2017 ... i started to play this, but when i understood what Dev is doing ... i left it aside, and said that in a few months i would look at his "incredible evolution"! lol

I can see from the comments that the problem continues ... ill will, a novel without decent writing ... a pity!

The game made by Fan is much better, and it looks short ...

 

[nexer]

No, we need to hold L&P's feet the fire on this one. Every time we (and I include myself in this) have made excuses for him, we have enabled him to put out an unsatisfactory update.

This update isn't "slow pace", it is as close to "no pace" as we can get. L&P took 100 days to move the story millimeters, not even inches. Anyone who follows this game knew the outline of this update, so I don't think any had unrealistic expectations. But that doesn't mean the story can't advance- that Sophia's characterization can't advance- more than a few millimeters.

Let's look at the sauna scene because I think everyone agrees that it is a huge wasted opportunity.

Putting aside for a second the lack of sexual content in this scene, let's just focus on the narrative progression. Since this is the first time we've interacted with DeShawn, it would be great to interact with him and see how he and Sophia relate; but instead we get boring exposition.

"And this is also what they did and got to know each other better.

Especially Sophia and DeShawn, who had a lot in common such as their enthusiasm for sports. They got along pretty well.

He told Sophia about his success in college with the basketball team, whereas Sophia revealed to him that she also played basketball in college and that she wasn't even that bad (Emphasis mine, but WTF???? Wasn't even that bad? What kind of back handed insult is this?)

But since women don't really earn much from it, she just studied sports and after her time as a lecturer, she decided to become a high school teacher.

In fact, Sophia found him very likable. And so they kept chatting about basketball and workouts, whereas Vicky, of course, also wasn't ignored."

What the hell is this writing? This is boring by every definition. This is a visual medium, the motto "show, don't tell" exists for a reason. Instead, we get 5 poorly written lines across 1 static image telling us about the conversation that we're supposed to be a part of. This is lazy in the worst possible way. This conversation should have been fluid, showing the three of them engaging in an interesting conversation and enjoying one another. Instead, we're told that they had a conversation, and that Sophia enjoyed it, but we don't actually get to see the conversation or experience it. This is an absolute master class in things you should not do when trying to tell a story. We get no sense of DeShawn as a character with this boring exposition. We don't even get any sense of Vicky as she is only referenced awkwardly in the last line "Whereas Vicky, of course, also wasn't ignored." Like, what the fuck is that?

Then, immediately following this exciting exchange, we get 16 consecutive frames of dialog that transition between the same two images. The images never change, the camera just transitions back and forth looking at DeShawn or Sophia. Here we get some actual conversation between the two of them...and it's boring. They're reciting facts to each other, but not really having an entertaining conversation. Sophia tells DeShawn about herself, sharing facts with him that we as the audience already know and don't need to hear again. Yes, she's a teacher. Yes, she's married. Yes, she has kids. Yes, her husband works in the fashion industry. Yes, she's only working part-time right now. We learn nothing about Sophia in this exchange. We could have learned more about Sophia in the previous exchange about sports, but L&P decided to skip over that so that he could show her repeating facts to us that we already know. All of this requires 16 clicks of the mouse to get through. 16 clicks between two images. It's boring, uninspired, and lazy.

And what happens when we get to the sexual content of this scene? From the beginning when you select "Stay and watch them a little bit" to the end when you select "Call attention to yourself", there are 5 frames of content, only 2 of which show any sexual content. The other three are the same image of Sophia at two different angles. We just spent 16 frames going over the same old boring details about Sophia that were established way back on Day 1, but when we get to the show L&P can't be bothered to create more than 2 new renders and only 5 total frames?

From top to bottom, this scene is a fucking disaster. We can like slow burns, but this can't even be considered a burn because there's no heat.

I'm not agree with you. Sophia is a married woman, DeShawn has and is with his gf so, for first meeting more than enough.
Why do you think that Sophia needs a lover kind? She needs sex, a lot but doesn't want to fall in love.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I'm not agree with you. Sophia is a married woman, DeShawn has and is with his gf so, for first meeting more than enough.
Why do you think that Sophia needs a lover kind? She needs sex, a lot but doesn't want to fall in love.

My criticism has nothing to do with Sophia being married and DeShawn having a gf, or if they're going to be lovers. My criticism is that from a storytelling perspective we learn nothing about the characters because of how the scene is written. We, as the audience, don't need to hear Sophia tell DeShawn facts about herself that have already been established. What we do need is to hear her tell him things that we don't know about her, such as her time as a basketball player. This would fill her character out. We need to see the two of them engage in a conversation that is actually fun where they can have chemistry, but instead we're just told they had fun and have chemistry.

These are basic rules to storytelling.

 

[a55555]

Great update. He made a phone call very intriguing. I really like the slow pace and the teasing but for the time he takes there is not much content. We used to get 1 day worth but now it's barely half a day...seems like 1/3 a day at this point. Should be 1-2 days an update.

 

[Ihjas812]

I want an official update for Android

Waiting for that to happen

 

[nexer]

L&P has to reach 10 renders/day. This has to be the next target. He is with this game for 3 years now and I say that in the sense that he has a lot of experience and all this can be seen in his renders

 

[MichaDD]

Someone have a save or know a cheat to have 22 pts with Ellie ?

try ellie=22

 

[phill_leotardo]

My criticism has nothing to do with Sophia being married and DeShawn having a gf, or if they're going to be lovers. My criticism is that from a storytelling perspective we learn nothing about the characters because of how the scene is written. We, as the audience, don't need to hear Sophia tell DeShawn facts about herself that have already been established. What we do need is to hear her tell him things that we don't know about her, such as her time as a basketball player. This would fill her character out. We need to see the two of them engage in a conversation that is actually fun where they can have chemistry, but instead we're just told they had fun and have chemistry.

These are basic rules to storytelling.

It's called bad decisions, he doesn't understand that sometimes less is more, he needs to read this and take it to the bank. But, remember that this will happen another two times. In another 100 days he'll pump up another midget update, and that is, if he doesn't move again since he did the same shit in the beginning of the year. Then another 100 days to the end of this day. We should have this complete day around June-July. What a joker.

 

[amin2020]

How can I change the game font? Is this hard work?

 

[Alley_Cat]

All routes are ok but the attached lesbian route doesn't work.

Please elaborate. Do you not see it, see it but it doesn't load etc?

I decided to re-enter the game and missed something. Who can tell me what I'm doing wrong? After the casino, Sofia is waiting for Liam at home, and I want to go to the club with Patricia and Ellie, but I don't have that opportunity. How can i do this?

Are you following either Mamonetti or my walkthrough? You previously needed to not go to the soccer game, spy on the girls, then invite Ellie to the spa

Anything good happen in this update? or is the fan game still better?
I'm sick of this game and this developer.

There are some interesting revelations about Ellie, and we do get progression with her. Personally I found it better than any of the fan games, but then I'm interested in the lesbian route, which doesn't get much attention in the fan art thread.

I always lose faith in humanity when i see the reviews on this pile of garbage.

I just can't figure it out why it so popular:
- Ths story it a classic one done by almost everyone who make a female protagonist game involving a mom
- The renders are good but there are even better one out there
- The content it just a spit on face, let hit that 50k $ and next year you gonna have a new scene.


Can someone point out to me why it this game it such a big deal since ain't even a game? Make me say "Ohhhh That's why, make sense now" Until then, for me personally this threat contains the dumbest people on earth at the moment.
You might get offended but you know it true.

For me when I joined a little over a year ago, I enjoyed the game because it was one of the only games with both great graphics and a lesbian route. But even that is changing, with now 3 characters being taken off the route, and we've being forced to have straight characters like DeShawn interfere.

 

[Greek_Lover]

3 months just for the prison scene??I'm sick of this crap game...Maybe i'll download it again when its finished..In 5 years maybe..

 

[armion82]

I don't think I'll see the end of this game in my lifetime. took 4 months to create a playable day. I really hope the dev still in preschool and then makes a child in the future to pass down his legacy. So his child can finish the story that their father halfway completed before he passedaway

PS: sorry for the bad grammar.

That was 1/3 part of day 12,not the whole day.

 

[phill_leotardo]

3 months just for the prison scene??I'm sick of this crap game...Maybe i'll download it again when its finished..In 5 years maybe..

When you assume the game will take 5 years for completion, you probably don't mean it by heart. But do you know what's funny? He did say a while ago he did actually plan to take 5 years to finish the game lmao.

 

[nexer]

My criticism has nothing to do with Sophia being married and DeShawn having a gf, or if they're going to be lovers. My criticism is that from a storytelling perspective we learn nothing about the characters because of how the scene is written. We, as the audience, don't need to hear Sophia tell DeShawn facts about herself that have already been established. What we do need is to hear her tell him things that we don't know about her, such as her time as a basketball player. This would fill her character out. We need to see the two of them engage in a conversation that is actually fun where they can have chemistry, but instead we're just told they had fun and have chemistry.

These are basic rules to storytelling.

I suppose you are a native English
"we're just told they had fun and have chemistry." here is an error, right?
I'm not, what I want to say is : playing with the words and be funny in another language, create interesting and funny dialogues it's not easy. So. I believe that L&P uses and repeats parts of old stuff.

 

[lockerxx]

by the way if you pick the alyssa event over the pool scene you can´t enjoy the morning event with ellie .

 

[Slickshirt876]

Cant take this anymore, unsubscribing permanently!!!
We shold have had westpod around!!!

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I suppose you are a native English
"we're just told they had fun and have chemistry." here is an error, right?
I'm not, what I want to say is : playing with the words and be funny in another language, create interesting and funny dialogues it's not easy. So. I believe that L&P uses and repeats parts of old stuff.

In this context, the word "chemistry" means that two characters get along well. So in this scene, we're told that DeShawn and Sophia get along well. Another way to say that is that DeShawn and Sophia have "chemistry". Normally you would show them having "chemistry" by having a fun conversation, and show the actual dialog. Instead L&P just tells us that they get along well- he doesn't actually show it through dialog.

But you're right. If English isn't your native language then being funny is very hard. L&P needs a lot of help in the writing department. We were hopeful that he was going to get some for this update, but who knows if he did.

L&P is trying to create a story-driven game, and that's fine. But if he can't write compelling and fun dialog because English isn't his native language, he's going to have major problems.

 

[palopvesu]

Are there compressed for win?