VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Talcum Powder]

Did I ever say that Dylan would be the first? Well, I'm not a native speaker, but am I expressing myself that badly? Of course he won't be the first. By the way, L&P has already stated this openly, that it's someone we don't expect.... currently. There is a basic framework of the story. And no one is shaking it. And the twist... yes, the twist was deleted by request and not by pressure of the patrons... but I honestly don't feel like talking about it anymore. Because I can talk with people like you, who do not want to do anything with Dylan it´s like talking to a brick wall.

First off: I have never, ever, ever offered an opinion on who will fuck Sophia first - only very recently that I think Aiden will jump ahead of Sam and Dylan in the the race to Sophia's tender bits. So I'm not sure where you're coming from on the first point.

I don't recall ever commenting on removing "the twist", if I did I don't recall so I probably didn't feel too strongly about it either way.

And, you're not presenting an accurate summary of my opinion of Dylan. It can be summed up in two main components:
First, I don't want anything presented from Dylan's POV (or anyone else's for that matter) because I prefer the developer focus exclusively on Sophia and her POV. L&P is well on track to deliver a master class (as far as erotic/porn VN are concerned, context does matter) on a female MC story. There's tons of teen boys lusting after hot girls, ladies and older women being told from the teen boy's perspective so I'm not especially interested in another version of it. Especially to the extent that it adds development time (the yoga event was done twice and all I learned from Dylan's perspective is that hot chicks are really hot, especially when they are in skin tight clothing and even hotter still when they are naked. ??? That's a POV that ain't worth telling again, especially not in this story).

Second, I don't think, as I see the character of Sophia, which is my own synthesis based on how I process what I read and see when playing this game and based on my in-game choices which are likely not identical to yours, Sophia would ever take Dylan's dick insider her vagina unless she's no longer Sophia, meaning her transformation and degradation is so severe that she's unrecognizable to the character we met in the first few days, even to herself. Therefore, it is my conclusion from my opinion and impressions that if Sophia ever does take Dylan's dick into her vagina it will be because of a conscious choice of the author do decimate the character he created and present a doppelganger in her stead.

I'm not entirely sure that make me a brick wall?

 

[armion82]

I too feel that with Bennett there will be no sex scene since she has other ways out of this but during their meeting there might definitely be a sexual option of getting him to agree to pass Dylan. Like a compromise. Sophia would refuse sex but would have to do something else for him. Maybe strip tease, handjob or something else

Then he should drop that route long time ago.Why keep it if won't lead to anything?

 

[Hlextor]

Not sure why you ended with the "obtuse" dig?

Well, it's just written in a obtuse way. Just dropped in like that, without thinking. Made an assertion that you made up yourself and like so many here who make negative comments about Dylan, are not true. Maybe you are only after "likes" with this quote. Also possible. Definitely get a like from Cat, cold brew, viper and whatever their names are. Yeah!!!

 

[You Don't See Me]

Sofia will ride whoever she wants....

More to the point - whoever the writer wants. It is, after all, just a work of fiction!

 

[Bishop Robert]

Whats this "the twist" people are talking about?

 

[Talcum Powder]

Well, it's just written in a obtuse way. Just dropped in like that, without thinking. Made an assertion that you made up yourself and like so many here who make negative comments about Dylan, are not true. Maybe you are only after "likes" with this quote. Also possible. Definitely get a like from Cat, cold brew, viper and whatever their names are. Yeah!!!

It's not dropped in like that, it's a narrative I've been pushing for quite some time, but fair point it does read that way in isolation. Not sure if calling it obtuse (which is a direct insult) is helpful or constructive, though.

[EDIT: What negative comment did I make about Dylan? Perhaps something lost in translation? I dunno...]

And I'm not sure what I ever said about Dylan that wasn't true? I get things wrong and forget details and misinterpret things all the time and like to be corrected when I do, I enjoy another perspective, so I'm not sure why the nasty tone towards me? It's really hyper aggressive. I'm pursuing likes? That's a very cynical and I'd like to think undeserved judgement. I do not understand why that would be the goal of engaging in a discussion and have no opinion on how many or few likes I get. If I was after likes - actually, I can't speak to that because it's one of those "does not compute" things for me.

 

[Hlextor]

First off: I have never, ever, ever offered an opinion on who will fuck Sophia first - only very recently that I think Aiden will jump ahead of Sam and Dylan in the the race to Sophia's tender bits. So I'm not sure where you're coming from on the first point.

I don't recall ever commenting on removing "the twist", if I did I don't recall so I probably didn't feel too strongly about it either way.

And, you're not presenting an accurate summary of my opinion of Dylan. It can be summed up in two main components:
First, I don't want anything presented from Dylan's POV (or anyone else's for that matter) because I prefer the developer focus exclusively on Sophia and her POV. L&P is well on track to deliver a master class (as far as erotic/porn VN are concerned, context does matter) on a female MC story. There's tons of teen boys lusting after hot girls, ladies and older women being told from the teen boy's perspective so I'm not especially interested in another version of it. Especially to the extent that it adds development time (the yoga event was done twice and all I learned from Dylan's perspective is that hot chicks are really hot, especially when they are in skin tight clothing and even hotter still when they are naked. ??? That's a POV that ain't worth telling again, especially not in this story).

Second, I don't think, as I see the character of Sophia, which is my own synthesis based on how I process what I read and see when playing this game and based on my in-game choices which are likely not identical to yours, Sophia would ever take Dylan's dick insider her vagina unless she's no longer Sophia, meaning her transformation and degradation is so severe that she's unrecognizable to the character we met in the first few days, even to herself. Therefore, it is my conclusion from my opinion and impressions that if Sophia ever does take Dylan's dick into her vagina it will be because of a conscious choice of the author do decimate the character he created and present a doppelganger in her stead.

I'm not entirely sure that make me a brick wall?

There you go! That's a statement from you that can be used to measure you. And not just a dumb sentence like that: " If Dylan fucks Sophia it will be due to pressure from Patreon supporters and not because it makes any sense whatsoever."

 

[Hlextor]

It's not dropped in like that, it's a narrative I've been pushing for quite some time, but fair point it does read that way in isolation. Not sure if calling it obtuse (which is a direct insult) is helpful or constructive, though.

[EDIT: What negative comment did I make about Dylan? Perhaps something lost in translation? I dunno...]

And I'm not sure what I ever said about Dylan that wasn't true? I get things wrong and forget details and misinterpret things all the time and like to be corrected when I do, I enjoy another perspective, so I'm not sure why the nasty tone towards me? It's really hyper aggressive. I'm pursuing likes? That's a very cynical and I'd like to think undeserved judgement. I do not understand why that would be the goal of engaging in a discussion and have no opinion on how many or few likes I get. If I was after likes - actually, I can't speak to that because it's one of those "does not compute" things for me.

Ok Talcum we shift down a gear. I understood that sentence for now as I described it. I'm just annoyed by all the stupid comments towards Dylan. And then you come up with the sentence that patrons decide if and when Dylan fucks Sophia. But you seem to be approaching the game very factually and intelligently. Then it was a misunderstanding. I'm sorry about that.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Ok Talcum we shift down a gear. I understood that sentence for now as I described it. I'm just annoyed by all the stupid comments towards Dylan. And then you come up with the sentence that patrons decide if and when Dylan fucks Sophia. But you seem to be approaching the game very factually and intelligently. Then it was a misunderstanding. I'm sorry about that.

So I was preparing a mocking and raking rebuke of your "there you go" comment, as if I needed your or anyone else's validation, but then I saw this and think that it's best to put it all aside.

Except that I cannot help but think your extending the olive branch was a sly attempt at getting me to like your post.

 

[hmc15]

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Dylan gonna be BALLS DEEP in Sophia and I'm gonna be feelsgoodman

 

[hmc15]

Whats this "the twist" people are talking about?

At one point in time L&P considered this conspiracy where Dylan and Aiden worked together to blackmail and corrupt Sophia. Aiden would pretend to bully Dylan and Dylan would cry to Mom to get Mom to do "the tasks".

Thankfully that weird twist was abandoned and Dylan was legitimately bullied and Aiden is legitimately blackmailing

 

[hzjujk]

Dylan's path remains a mystery. The only way I can see right now how both of them could interact sexually like both
is the exhibitionism (Sophia) / voyeurism (Dylan) way. But that would not satisfy anyone in this forum. Dylan could
just show up anywhere if the player allows it.
I want to be clear, I'm more of a Pro-Dylan, but this route would be the worst of all possible routes for me too.
Because then Dylan would remain the loser he now appears as. The possible scenario in which the mother teaches the son
sexually would be more than sad. And all Dylan haters here would be right that it would be better to let the bus run
over Dylan.
The possibility of Dylan seeing his mother on the motorcycle, trying to confront her, and spying on her in the future
would also be a way as a voyeur, protector and later as a secret participant. Would be just as shit and I think it
was excluded.
In summary, I understand all those who say sex with Dylan was the lowest point in Sophia's development at the moment.
And I hope the developer still has surprises ready to teach you better.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Thankfully that weird twist was abandoned and Dylan was legitimately bullied and Aiden is legitimately blackmailing

More than just abandoned, L&P actually rewrote the whole thing so it wouldn’t even show up on a new play through. It’s path-specific so even on an older play through/version you may not have seen it.

Removing it does change the Aiden and Dylan characters and stories substantially, whether for the better or worse we’ll never know. But that’s a good thing, because knowing and being able to compare would mean two paths, one where Dylan is a conspirator and one where he isn’t. So many more parallel events and renders. Dodging a bullet imho.

 

[Atton563]

Is it possible that Dylan could discover Aiden's blackmail of his mother and set in to action him trying to save his mom? The Dylan event that is supposed to follow the Aiden event has been said to be somewhat important to the update. Surey Sofia being rescued my Dylan or him at least trying to save her would let her (and us) see him in a new light and be a catalyst for her attraction to him. At least that way she wouldn't be completely broken metally to sleep with him.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Is it possible that Dylan could discover Aiden's blackmail of his mother and set in to action him trying to save his mom? The Dylan event that is supposed to follow the Aiden event has been said to be somewhat important to the update. Surey Sofia being rescued my Dylan or him at least trying to save her would let her (and us) see him in a new light and be a catalyst for her attraction to him. At least that way she wouldn't be completely broken metally to sleep with him.

That is a topic of conversation and theory on his patreon page. However, I not sure how the hero thing will work out. It seems that the defense class he's taking is going to be geared toward the side story. So if he were to play some hero role, it would most likely be in another manner.

 

[Atton563]

It seems that the defense class he's taking is going to be geared toward the side story.

The self defence class could come in to play with Marie the Dylan POV of the yoga event has her flirting/teasing him and she said she does MMA maybe they get together to spar and a relationship could develop from that?

 

[nexer]

Dylan's path remains a mystery. The only way I can see right now how both of them could interact sexually like both
is the exhibitionism (Sophia) / voyeurism (Dylan) way. But that would not satisfy anyone in this forum. Dylan could
just show up anywhere if the player allows it.
I want to be clear, I'm more of a Pro-Dylan, but this route would be the worst of all possible routes for me too.
Because then Dylan would remain the loser he now appears as. The possible scenario in which the mother teaches the son
sexually would be more than sad. And all Dylan haters here would be right that it would be better to let the bus run
over Dylan.
The possibility of Dylan seeing his mother on the motorcycle, trying to confront her, and spying on her in the future
would also be a way as a voyeur, protector and later as a secret participant. Would be just as shit and I think it
was excluded.
In summary, I understand all those who say sex with Dylan was the lowest point in Sophia's development at the moment.
And I hope the developer still has surprises ready to teach you better.

There are solutions, you can find them on the liberotica , all possible scenarios.
Everyone's talking about Dylan but not about Ellie. Up to a point it's ok, but if they go to mutual masturbation or sex, it's not ok.
I think Ellie will be first and Dylan will use the open door, either surprise them or it will be natural after Ellie breaks the ice.
I'm not ruling out Dylan witnessing something between Sophia and Sam/Zac and participating/continuing.

 

[Talcum Powder]

In summary, I understand all those who say sex with Dylan was the lowest point in Sophia's development at the moment.
And I hope the developer still has surprises ready to teach you better.

Since it's pretty much inevitable, I do indeed hope L&P can get there in a way that doesn't mean Sophia is no longer Sophia. Based on what's there at the moment, not sure it's possible.

 

[Atton563]

I'm not ruling out Dylan witnessing something between Sophia and Sam/Zac and participating/continuing.

Surley Sofia would have to be completely broken to allow Dylan to join in with Sam/Zac its a very big step for her to take to do something with her son in front of people, She's only just started to wear bikini's around him. Continuing or trying to guilt trip her could work though, Somthing along the lines of "But Mom I thought you loved me how come you do that stuff with Sam/Zac but not me?". Guilt tripping could also work with the Ellie shower stuff if her every found out about it.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

The self defence class could come in to play with Marie the Dylan POV of the yoga event has her flirting/teasing him and she said she does MMA maybe they get together to spar and a relationship could develop from that?

That is a strong possibility. Marie may be one that could end up with Dylan in the end, if the reader chooses that path.