VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Deleted member 3325933]

Liam likes people to know that Sophia is his and they can look but that is all they can do

So that gets back to the 'will he wander' question. He is into possession not partner?

If so, he will be his own downfall. Not that I support Liam (Loser). Oops! It is just when will we get there. I look forward to the update.

And for all of you out there. I will stop reading here for a bit so as to not be subjected to spoilers.

And I do agree with Ginger that too much of an out of character deal with Aiden could be a nail for me. If this is actually just a long ride and he loses control at the end and sacrifices himself to save Sophia I could live with that condensing the story paths. Otherwise, the turd needs to still be the arrogant little blackmailer he is. Just Sayin.

 

[Leldorin]

I'll admit, I'd forgotten the Good Wife path. I did play it back in 2018/19 but nothing much happened, so I stopped. As I havn't the knowledge or skills to make comments when it comes to the rendering process, I have to think of other ways to speed things up. Months ago I was one of those supporting the dropping of one or both of the side-jobs & writing out various minor characters. It transpired that the Dev would not countenance discarding the side-jobs & there was no word about minor actors, so it seemed that taking out some of the main paths could be the only remaining option.

I know that getting rid of the blackmail, (or never starting it), is a relatively straightforward matter but this is not the same as ditching it altogether from the game, ie no more development time spent on any aspect of it. This is the precise opposite of what I personally want but the game end horizon is moving too far away. IMO balance & fairness requires dropping the Dylan incest route, preferably at the same time. Just think of the time that would save.

If everything carries on as it is currently, who knows what will happen but based on experience of other games, it's very possible that neither the blackmail or Dylan incest routes will ever be brought to a proper conclusion. So why not remove them now & save us all the frustration? Just a thought....

I wouldn’t remove the Dylan path but I would drastically trimmed it out.

Just some examples :
-We have another event with Patricia, Claire, and Marie (and Dylan)the next day .
There will be (at least) 3 variations of this event : one without Dylan, one where he’s present and has been successful with Marie and one where he wasn’t. (And know that I think about it, maybe one where he was spying on the women showering).

3 or maybe more variations on the same event...

Or the so called “Aiden route”:
-One where Sophia follow the tasks and Dylan keeps going to school
-One where Sophia refuse immediately and Dylan goes to boarding school.
-One where Sophia stops the tasks after the first or second and Dylan is homeschooled (can’t confirm that one has I didn’t even knew it was an option)
-One where Sophia will be able to stop the tasks with a comfortable solution and Dylan will still be able to go to school.
-One later down the road with a not so comfortable solution and Dylan will keep going to school.


We are not talking about little changes in dialogue here but complete separate route with all the renders, dialogues, etc.

Then we have the cuckold Dylan path (which is just ridiculous with how he has been portrayed but at least it’s there from the beginning for does who enjoy that type of kink)

Then we have the Dylan/Ellie path (let’s be serious here, we know for who that path is made for. It’s called Dylan/Ellie and not Ellie/Dylan for a reason...) which is apparently a “side story ” . What does that even mean in this game ?



When people say they’re following the “Dylan path”, what does that even mean at this point ?

The Dylan paths are basically a game in the game.

I would remove all those variations, and keep 1/4 of all the time and energy put in it to flesh out Dylan as a character and his relationship with Sophia. (Nothing against people enjoying him, but for me, I find him even more generic and cliche than some of the most trope Mc teenager game out there.)

Now let’s be real. It will never happen.
This are not suggestions directed to L&p. We are just talking between us here and nothing we say will change his mind.
I just find crazy that he has chosen to add what’s basically another game in his game. ( basically around the 9th or 10th playable day with the Sophia/Amber/DylanSam side story.)
For basically a third of the game, Dylan is like every other characters in the game. Other than the cuckold path, there is no variations or subplot in his route. Either Sophia develop a relationship with him or she doesn’t.

Does putting so much Dylan content in the game has seen a sudden boost in the number of patreons?

We’ll see more clearly after the next playable day (which is heavily focused on Dylan). And if it works, good for him (and not for me)

(I think I just wrote a novel again...)

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

A fully fleshed out Liam helps the Filthy route too.

But we need L&P to concentrate and focus, to try and get the next few updates out in a timely manner. The more time L&P spends on fleshing out Liam's character, the danger is that it gives him another cul-de-sac story to lose time rather than pushing the central storyline forward.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

I wouldn’t remove the Dylan path but I would drastically trimmed it out.

Just some examples :
-We have another event with Patricia, Claire, and Marie (and Dylan)the next day .
There will be (at least) 3 variations of this event : one without Dylan, one where he’s present and has been successful with Marie and one where he wasn’t. (And know that I think about it, maybe one where he was spying on the women showering).

3 or maybe more variations on the same event...

Or the so called “Aiden route”:
-One where Sophia follow the tasks and Dylan keeps going to school
-One where Sophia refuse immediately and Dylan goes to boarding school.
-One where Sophia stops the tasks after the first or second and Dylan is homeschooled (can’t confirm that one has I didn’t even knew it was an option)
-One where Sophia will be able to stop the tasks with a comfortable solution and Dylan will still be able to go to school.
-One later down the road with a not so comfortable solution and Dylan will keep going to school.


We are not talking about little changes in dialogue here but complete separate route with all the renders, dialogues, etc.

Then we have the cuckold Dylan path (which is just ridiculous with how he has been portrayed but at least it’s there from the beginning for does who enjoy that type of kink)

Then we have the Dylan/Ellie path (let’s be serious here, we know for who that path is made for. It’s called Dylan/Ellie and not Ellie/Dylan for a reason...) which is apparently a “side story ” . What does that even mean in this game ?



When people say they’re following the “Dylan path”, what does that even mean at this point ?

The Dylan paths are basically a game in the game.

I would remove all those variations, and keep 1/4 of all the time and energy put in it to flesh out Dylan as a character and his relationship with Sophia. (Nothing against people enjoying him, but for me, I find him even more generic and cliche than some of the most trope Mc teenager game out there.)

Now let’s be real. It will never happen.
This are not suggestions directed to L&p. We are just talking between us here and nothing we say will change his mind.
I just find crazy that he has chosen to add what’s basically another game in his game. ( basically around the 9th or 10th playable day with the Sophia/Amber/DylanSam side story.)
For basically a third of the game, Dylan is like every other characters in the game. Other than the cuckold path, there is no variations or subplot in his route. Either Sophia develop a relationship with him or she doesn’t.

Does putting so much Dylan content in the game has seen a sudden boost in the number of patreons?

We’ll see more clearly after the next playable day (which is heavily focused on Dylan). And if it works, good for him (and not for me)

(I think I just wrote a novel again...)

I think it was Alley Cat who suggested that L&P should focus to no more than 4-5 routes:
Goodwife route (i.e. Liam +threesomes)
Filthy hetero incest route (i.e. Dylan)
Filthy hetero non-incest route (i.e. Sam / Aiden)
Filthy lesbian incest route (i.e. Ellie / Patricia)
Filthy lesbian non-incest route (i.e. Alyssa)
Beyond that it gets too complicated and we are facing eventual game abandonment

 

[roberto1982]

Before the update can somebody share saves which we need for next updates scenes, it will be really very helpfull

 

[Old Dog]

Before the update can somebody share saves which we need for next updates scenes, it will be really very helpfull

1-1-LT1 Nursing Home/Julia/Ellie/Filthy route
1-2-LT1 Alyssa home schooling/Filthy route
1-3-LTI1 home schooling/boarding school
Good Wife route 1-4-LT1
Lesbian route 1-6-LT1

 

[buff]

I think it was Alley Cat who suggested that L&P should focus to no more than 4-5 routes:
Goodwife route (i.e. Liam +threesomes)
Filthy hetero incest route (i.e. Dylan)
Filthy hetero non-incest route (i.e. Sam / Aiden)
Filthy lesbian incest route (i.e. Ellie / Patricia)
Filthy lesbian non-incest route (i.e. Alyssa)
Beyond that it gets too complicated and we are facing eventual game abandonment

This is really solid advice.

At the current pace, we're already starting the "death spiral"-- there are too many routes and permutations of scenes within routes, which slows progress. People start bitching about slow progress, which makes the job less fun for the dev. In time the numbers (which were high because so many kink groups were being serviced) dwindle, and the dev gets *really* discouraged. Eventually they say fuck it and walk away.

I really, really, really wish developers would NOT try to do heavily branching routes from the get go. Pick the most popular route and see it to completion, then go back and add others. If you give players choices they *will* take them, and then you're spending most of your time on branches that few players are even interested in-- mostly completionists who just want to see the content that they paid and waited so much for. Whenever I see anything like "YOUR CHOICES MATTER!!!!1!!!1!!" in the game description I cringe. It's the dumbest thing a dev can do other than hire VAs before the game is complete.

 

[MYCIUS]

Maybe someone knows more about Aiden blackmail list? It's so interesting..

So lets talk a little bit about it.. Whats task can be in future? Whats task you want to see in future?

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Maybe someone knows more about Aiden blackmail list? It's so interesting..

So lets talk a little bit about it.. Whats task can be in future? Whats task you want to see in future?

I wish Aiden gets out of the VN into real life and tells the dev to hurry up or else he's going to make him wear a leather suit

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I think it was Alley Cat who suggested that L&P should focus to no more than 4-5 routes:
Goodwife route (i.e. Liam +threesomes)
Filthy hetero incest route (i.e. Dylan)
Filthy hetero non-incest route (i.e. Sam / Aiden)
Filthy lesbian incest route (i.e. Ellie / Patricia)
Filthy lesbian non-incest route (i.e. Alyssa)
Beyond that it gets too complicated and we are facing eventual game abandonment

The problem here is that he should have applied this outline of narrowing the path down to these 5 points 2-3 years ago. To use these now would have a significant backlash effect with his Patreon Members. IMO, L&P is too far in the story now, P.D 12/30, to change anything or remove anything right now. We have some stories moving into a sexual phase (Ellie) and other stories that haven't moved the needle yet (Dylan.)

If he would have shortened the playing field of characters to the list that Alley Cat suggested a couple of years ago, then he would have a better time managing his novel without the headaches of looking at 30+ characters' design and text. Instead, it almost feels like we're meeting the entire population of San Alejo.

 

[1lonegamer]

I know I throw a lot of sarcasm around here, but this is a genuine question because I definitely want to understand:
We are on a website that is almost exclusively dedicated to sharing and discussing what is inarguably stolen intellectual property, so what on earth you are talking about?

A lot of people on here are patrons, or own the games on Steam or pay through other sites. They may not support everygmae they watch or every game they play, but they do support some of them. Some developers put the games here to advertise for supporters. I know of a few that have asked supports to make sure and post reviews here if they like the game. Some people that see a game here will go on to support it on another site, not everyone is a pirate. At least not on every game.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

The problem here is that he should have applied this outline of narrowing the path down to these 5 points 2-3 years ago. To use these now would have a significant backlash effect with his Patreon Members. IMO, L&P is too far in the story now, P.D 12/30, to change anything or remove anything right now. We have some stories moving into a sexual phase (Ellie) and other stories that haven't moved the needle yet (Dylan.)

If he would have shortened the playing field of characters to the list that Alley Cat suggested a couple of years ago, then he would have a better time managing his novel without the headaches of looking at 30+ characters' design and text. Instead, it almost feels like we're meeting the entire population of San Alejo.

There are always possibilities Mr Spock used to say. It is true here. L&P can DLC (Or just place them in suspension) some of the paths and be upfront about that as he pares the story down to get it moving.

He is not too far down Morello path. That can be DLC'd, The Coach Sophia path has already been tossed in that direction I believe. The Bennet path can be DLC'd (or terminated with extreme prejudice) I am not picky here. Aiden can be brought to a standstill and slipped into a DLC after this update. Dylan can be in semi permanent isolation at boarding school for DLC finish. The trip to the horse ranch, etc... all different ways to regain control of the story and focus it. Plus DLC's allow him to keep adding elements that have never even existed. He can easily keep the story going for years by using DLCs or whatever you want to call it.

However, if he stays bogged in a 1/3 of a day release sequence, there ultimately won't be a point. The end game will pass by everyone's graves and the updates or DLC's will be for descendants. DOH!

 

[1lonegamer]

There are always possibilities Mr Spock used to say. It is true here. L&P can DLC (Or just place them in suspension) some of the paths and be upfront about that as he pares the story down to get it moving.

He is not too far down Morello path. That can be DLC'd, The Coach Sophia path has already been tossed in that direction I believe. The Bennet path can be DLC'd (or terminated with extreme prejudice) I am not picky here. Aiden can be brought to a standstill and slipped into a DLC after this update. Dylan can be in semi permanent isolation at boarding school for DLC finish. The trip to the horse ranch, etc... all different ways to regain control of the story and focus it. Plus DLC's allow him to keep adding elements that have never even existed. He can easily keep the story going for years by using DLCs or whatever you want to call it.

However, if he stays bogged in a 1/3 of a day release sequence, there ultimately won't be a point. The end game will pass by everyone's graves and the updates or DLC's will be for descendants. DOH!

I like L&P but with out an increase in production end game will never happen, much less DLCs, or end game will be forced and rushed which has certainly been done by more than one Dev. Wish they would get some help, but I think L&P still wants total control. I believe hiring help was a Patreon goal at one point. I lkie the results but yeah the waiting can be brutal, and it is hard to please everyone, because there are people who are interested in those paths even if some of us aren't.

What about bringing back the movers for a DLC if you just want to put more out there.

 

[ancienregimele]

Maybe someone knows more about Aiden blackmail list? It's so interesting..

So lets talk a little bit about it.. Whats task can be in future? Whats task you want to see in future?

It's not that I don't want to talk about potential tasks, of which I can think of several, even within the restrictions L&P has chosen to apply. It's more the case that I am not a 'patron in good standing' but a 'free-loading pirate.' I will never be a patron while the output is one or two updates per annum & that's my choice but by the same token, any suggestion I might make could be rejected out of hand by the Dev. So, I don't want to say too much because L&P surely won't want to be catering to the likes of me, or be too encouraging to his non-paying public.

Having said that, I've made it plain in this thread that I love photoshoots. I think Aiden could hire a professional photographer for a private photosession, or perhaps he knows someone who would do it for the thrill. Boundaries could be pushed, or broken with such an event, which I think would be popular, except with die-hard Aiden haters. There is so much latent eroticism in this task it would be a shame to neglect such a possibility.

[P.S. Yes, I know it's been done with Dylan, (plus Sam) but this would be a different level of erotic].

 

[Talcum Powder]

Oh, I thought we are a community of game testers contracted in non-verbal terms.

Wait, that sounds an awful lot like sarcasm. Are suggesting the opposite of what you’re suggesting?

 

[Talcum Powder]

A lot of people on here are patrons, or own the games on Steam or pay through other sites. They may not support everygmae they watch or every game they play, but they do support some of them. Some developers put the games here to advertise for supporters. I know of a few that have asked supports to make sure and post reviews here if they like the game. Some people that see a game here will go on to support it on another site, not everyone is a pirate. At least not on every game.

This is an impressive list of facts but as you say “some” and “a few” and “not everyone” you are acknowledging that you are not refuting what I said. There are a fair few pirates around here and there are a fair few bits of game code and imagery being shared without the creator’s consent. And this site exists, for the most part, to foster that activity. It’s the dominant driving force behind the millions of interactions found here.

So I’m genuinely trying to understand the thought process that leads one to cry foul when it happens here. The question remains unanswered.

 

[Talcum Powder]

It's not that I don't want to talk about potential tasks, of which I can think of several, even within the restrictions L&P has chosen to apply. It's more the case that I am not a 'patron in good standing' but a 'free-loading pirate.' I will never be a patron while the output is one or two updates per annum & that's my choice but by the same token, any suggestion I might make could be rejected out of hand by the Dev. So, I don't want to say too much because L&P surely won't want to be catering to the likes of me, or be too encouraging to his non-paying public.

Having said that, I've made it plain in this thread that I love photoshoots. I think Aiden could hire a professional photographer for a private photosession, or perhaps he knows someone who would do it for the thrill. Boundaries could be pushed, or broken with such an event, which I think would be popular, except with die-hard Aiden haters. There is so much latent eroticism in this task it would be a shame to neglect such a possibility.

[P.S. Yes, I know it's been done with Dylan, (plus Sam) but this would be a different level of erotic].

I have actually been the photographer under similar, but not at all coercive, circumstances. It wasn’t as erotic as the sponsor and the model had hoped.

but that was a single IRL event, not a fictional fantasy…

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

There are always possibilities Mr Spock used to say. It is true here. L&P can DLC (Or just place them in suspension) some of the paths and be upfront about that as he pares the story down to get it moving.

He is not too far down Morello path. That can be DLC'd, The Coach Sophia path has already been tossed in that direction I believe. The Bennet path can be DLC'd (or terminated with extreme prejudice) I am not picky here. Aiden can be brought to a standstill and slipped into a DLC after this update. Dylan can be in semi permanent isolation at boarding school for DLC finish. The trip to the horse ranch, etc... all different ways to regain control of the story and focus it. Plus DLC's allow him to keep adding elements that have never even existed. He can easily keep the story going for years by using DLCs or whatever you want to call it.

However, if he stays bogged in a 1/3 of a day release sequence, there ultimately won't be a point. The end game will pass by everyone's graves and the updates or DLC's will be for descendants. DOH!

There are always possibilities, but we wouldn't know the outcome of those possibilities since players are already currently vested in the story content right now. For example, if he limited the spectrum of characters initially, His audience would have focused on those five characters versus the Baskin Robbins 31+ flavor of characters. The DLC approach would be excellent, but he should have introduced that from the start, not during the story while it's in progress with all the characters active. Since he started the story, some of his readers have become vested in that particular path growing exponentially of readers and fans. He would have difficulty removing that content now without backlash from his Patreon Members who enjoyed the course without bringing it to a conclusion.

We don't know how the stories are mix in with other storylines, which is another challenge in itself to try and remove other stories. For example, Dylan/Ellie's path was initially supposed to be a side story, but Dylan will have to choose between Sophia or Ellie on the next playable day in the evening. So L&P injected Dylan/Ellie's side story into the main path of Sophia/Dylan now, which means Dylan/Ellie's story is now the primary path for that pair if the reader chooses to take this path. Also, what if you keep Aiden in play after this update? The readers who follow his path would want the story to continue and not have to wait ten-plus years for a conclusion through DLC.

Although I agree that he will stay bogged down on his release time, I see him heading to 1/4 day releases or event releases, which might be his only option for being a one-person show on design for the novel. Unless he decides to say, "I need help." and looks for people with qualities that can come close to his work, and he can live with that choice. If he tried to Reboot the novel now or DLC active story paths, I'm sure he will receive negative comments on Patreon and potentially lose members over it.

 

[AlfredBundy4]

The problem here is that he should have applied this outline of narrowing the path down to these 5 points 2-3 years ago. To use these now would have a significant backlash effect with his Patreon Members. IMO, L&P is too far in the story now, P.D 12/30, to change anything or remove anything right now. We have some stories moving into a sexual phase (Ellie) and other stories that haven't moved the needle yet (Dylan.)

If he would have shortened the playing field of characters to the list that Alley Cat suggested a couple of years ago, then he would have a better time managing his novel without the headaches of looking at 30+ characters' design and text. Instead, it almost feels like we're meeting the entire population of San Alejo.

I think L&P already knows the deal. Given the scope and time between updates it's a literal stall-job before showing her fucking anyone other than Liam. The release where that happens is the start of the end. Few stories survive at the same strength, let alone get stronger, after the main target is had. The fans finally got their nut. Most will stick around a bit longer but each subsequent partner hurts the fan passion and interaction with your product. That's just the sad fact of AVNs.

So in the event of an official ending of the story, most of these plotlines will either never be officially culminated OR they'll get a really weird, quick finish that makes little sense. The most likely scenario is as stated which is abandonment. It'll just be abandoned and he'll count his cash for a while.

The defenders of the story's length, scope and development time don't get that or want to get it. This just isn't sustainable but I've never felt it was meant to be sustained. It's being sustained for as long as L&P can keep dangling the carrot because when he finally gives it to the audience it marks the beginning of the end...and that's the end of story and maximum income.

None of this is meant to portray him in a bad light. He's piling cash while doing - regardless of what is claimed - minimal work. FFS, some updates took close to a year, lmao. I hate to say that I can't blame him. If you'll pay for an update or two a year, why work faster?! Working faster puts him out of work faster, ends this kind of income faster.

No, no, no. There will be no end. When she fucks anyone but Liam it marks the top of the rollercoaster. Only one way to go from there. That's true for all AVNs.

 

[Talcum Powder]

No sarcasm there, my friend. That is my perspective at least. I don't want to steal anything nor violate any rules. I just want to read/play good VNs/games while learning few about writing and development. And I believe devs need us for testing their products in all aspects.

Cool.