VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.230a + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Radoslaw Wolf]

Not if L&P is smart...

 

[Notretsam]

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The only negative coming out of the "side jobs," being ended, is not seeing how the Developer workout an ending because there is no way out of the plot trap the Developer created with both jobs. Think of it as seeing a train wreck approaching and you want to wait around and see what happens. There is no exit even if the side job routes were left open.

The Old men route:
Worst side job of the two. The character of Sophia has two sides. The socially accepted, mother, wife, and functional member of society she has crafted for herself. She conforms to the norms that society expects of her. Then there is the wild side of Sophia, where she can be tempted, hasn't had enough exploration prior to settling down and events keep awakening her urges and desires as well as she is a creature of her past wanting to relive her youth.

The old men do nothing to reawaken old memories or adventures from her youth. She was very much like her daughter, Ellie, in how she saw boys. Then there is the social conformist Sophia that further acts as a wall. Sophia isn't attracted to either of them since she has the attention of all the "young" viral males around her giving her the sort of attention she always liked throughout her life. Worst she almost has total control over her behaviors and events don't occur that makes her want to give in. The Developer hasn't put it in such blunt terms, but Sophia wants to be ridden and experience her full sexual energy. Two old farts would come up short in that department.

The Boys Route:
More an issue of lost opportunity and timing that makes letting the boys have their way with her not a valid option. If the Developer really wanted this route to work, a breakthrough needed to have occurred in the last tutoring session with the boys. I could see Sophia getting excited over the attention from the boys and could have sparked her curiosity of "what if," or "what it would be like." When Sophia was on the phone call during the last tutoring session, she could have felt those corrupting feelings of being touched and explored. The player could have seen the inner monologue and struggle to deal with it. Then in a release or two Sophia could be presented with the whole issue, and the Developer could have taken us all down that rabbit hole to whatever ending the Developer wanted--more or less.

Both side job routes ignore Sophia's basic character build and fails to exploit it to a workable ending.

I can't really comment about the old guys, as I don't remember a dam thing about it, think there was a sexy nurse outfit they ordered for her.

For me, anyone not named Liam, Dylan or Ellie where there to further corrupt Sophia and allow us choices on how far she go on the good wife route with Lian, the filthy route with Dylan and the lesbian route with Ellie. There were certainly some characters who had more contact with Sophia and had more of an influence. So the side jobs were never really a long-term story for me, they were there to provide variety and corrupt Sophia more.

However, there is a lot of potential in the tutoring job that can cause conflict in any of the 3 routes I mentioned above, however, I never really felt that was where AWAM was going.

Would I be wrong in thinking: Instead of ending them, they both have their next event both ending with Sophia finishing her business but implying she'll check up on them later. Fast forward to when Sophia is more horny and slutty she then comes back and we have a sexual update for both side jobs?

that would work, could even do a dream sequence, we get to the end of the day and she goes to bed, and you think it's all over and suddenly a dream scene where she goes all the way with the 3 of them.

was a dream sequence with the guy in prison, Larry? L&P already established dream sequences as a way out and it is logical. everything that is going on would stir up urges in Sophia, enough that she would dream about stuff she would never ever do.

 

[Alley_Cat]

why he has to cut side job route outta the story? While no one cares dylans route with chicks

Both. Both is good.

Jesus Fucking Christ. I was waiting for the old guys to fuck Sophia and now this gets fucked? What else - Aiden story will discontinue and there will be no possible gangbangs?

So glad I discontinued support for this game. First it was slow, now in addition, it abandons possibly the greatest story lines for small dicked-kids to fuck a grown-ass woman.

Sophia fucking the old guys was never going to happen. L&P likes young kids too much.

 

[AnimeLasagnaTitties]

Honestly kinda wishing this game was just Sam and Sophia at this point. It's taking too long for any of these threads to get resolved, and I'm starting to just not even like or care about most of them.

 

[Couto25]

Any corruption path would have been better than dylan side story...sophia with massage boy ..she was nude and allowed him to touch her boobs in class....sophia with patricia in bar with guys...sophia with husband's friend while drunk where she allowed little touch, Sophia with teacher date where she gave her panties... although it end but they could have moved it forward...sophia with maid, sophia with sam as now she's her gf and many more ... even with old men maybe few dont like it but it is a path as she shared her feelings and everything with them during nursing job.

even someone who play this game for the first time from the beginning will skip this dylan party as they will be much eager to make sophia more corrupt, i will skip dylan's party part. Maybe it took a month for developer to render these images and storyline and give teaser...i don't like any of the teaser related to dylan ellie christie party at all when it comes to the main story... what i expected.

 

[Jokr_]

yes dylan path is boring

 

[maybes4]

Christens party should've been used as dylan/sophia/Ellie event. Like.. Since dylan doesn't have any experience with girls, other boys make fun of him in the party while Ellie gets jealous of Christen flirting with dylan. Dylan Comes back home sad and has an conversation with sophia in his room that would lead to some hot stuff in the jacuzzi while Ellie Comes back from the party & see them atleast kissing eachother and gets suspicious. 2 in 1 event but It's my personal opinion.

What? So the event without sophias somehow still related to her? Well, i mean LP shouldve cut the whole event if theres no sophia in it.

Both. Both is good.

Yep i know, but like the question what branches should be cut weve discussed million times, some good stuff has to be reduced.
I must say the game is in wrong direction now, because LP shouldve not spent time investing those events without sophia at the first place.
For the side jobs, he doesnt really need to cut it. More specifically. in the nursing job, he can just make the scene where sophia wears the rag, come up with something to justify the long wait before she meets the old men again. When shes already corrupted, shell comeback to them for fun, like many characters such as movers, neighbor, zac,...

 

[ancienregimele]

I began posting comments about AWAM in November 2018. It was such a favourite that I stopped playing almost every other game. Since that time it has become unplayable for me. Those not turned on by incest, who don't relish, (a polite understatement) the 2nd MC situation & can't accept the total trashing of the Sam route are joined by me, who fits into all of the above & has also seen every route & character of interest written out, or placed into indefinite limbo, which, given the pace of development, is effectively the same thing.

Sophia has changed out of all recognition both mentally & physically, (along with Dylan) & NO it's got nothing to do with her ongoing corruption. She's not only ballooned to Jessica Rabbit cartoon proportions but her personality has become gradually & inexorably less likeable, as well as juvenile. What it all relates to I well understand but that's not the subject of this comment. I almost hesitate to write more, because the Dev usually takes decisions & makes changes directly contrary my views. That's something that's gone on for so long, it's become predictable.

Ending the 2 side jobs would be, IMO & from my POV, (if it's true), the best decision L&P has made in years. I harbour no illusions that this has come about because of continuous suggestions, in the interest of speeding up or whatever, from the likes of me. Side job roles & specifications, as chosen, could have been better & once decided upon, could have been more believable but it wasn't to be. I'd be glad to see the back of them both.

F95 has, on occasion, been known to censor comments via complete post deletion, or removal of certain words, so I'll have to choose mine carefully but I think the slang term, "kiddy-fiddling" should cover it, or should that be the 'porn-acceptable' "shota?" This activity simply didn't fit into AWAM. Each shota event felt as though it had been written by a different Dev, using a different Sophia, however unbelievably her character had altered elsewhere in the tale. Despite it being the Dev's favourite kink, the route also felt rushed, in comparison to the rest of AWAM's famous snail's pace. There are 3 apostles for a blatant reason, (yet more schoolboy wish fulfilment, or just more teasing & blue-balling? 'Oooo, just think what could happen,' a L&P common tactic) but regardless of whether they're playing tricks or not, nothing about the saga is logical. As for me, speaking as someone who played the 1st side job, then the 2nd, (stopping when it wasn't what was hoped for), then the 1st again, it could vanish. I don't need a wrap-up. It could disappear in the manner in which my followed storylines did. No conclusion could be logical in a story which never had any logic to it in the first place.

Then there's the 2 old codgers, who've bought a naughty nurse outfit for Sophia to oblige & entertain them with, by wearing it. We've already seen that it's an especially tacky version of one of the western world's favourite cosplay/fancy dress costumes & is also well-used in the 3D porn world. Why would Sophia do this, when being caught means instant dismissal for gross misconduct, with the public disgrace & loss of earnings that entails? That care home is not a secret location. ['It's her inner exhibitionist being brought out because of her corruption. She's been liberated sufficiently to express her wild side. She enjoys tantalising old men, etc., etc.' & other less than satisfactory bollocks]. It's about as believable as being turned on by Dylan showing her arse to a club full of people. It's 'porn logic gone mad.'

Elimination of the side jobs would have no impact on any other part of AWAM. Whether they have to go because of Steam's approach to shota, or it's just to start the necessary trimming, because at last L&P has realised "something must be done," (or both), or something else, just let them go.

 

[maybes4]

There are much better ways if he really wants to ramp up the progress.
1. Cutting up unnecessary storylines. I need some help on this because hes made too many characters, i cant remember them anymore. But these are the essential ones:
a. Liam(good wife path) - monogamy and polygamy
b. Dylan - Mom-son and mom son ntr
c. Ellie - Mom daughter (Do we have some female bully here? Or an orgy for women? I dont play so idk)
d. Aiden - Gangbang, NTR
e. Panasonic - Not sure if this is a main one but everyone likes her and shell will help his sister reach corruption faster.
f. Sam - Romance sons friend
See not so many main routes. He couldve cut off the sub ones, but why picked the nursing job? I mean theres no other old men and shota.

2. Only putting animations in important events.
Not every event needs an animation for sure.

3. Forgetting steam, for gods sake.
Does gaben support milking system like patreon? Lp will be flooded by derogatory comments and grow despondent.

 

[ancienregimele]

There are much better ways if he really wants to ramp up the progress.
1. Cutting up unnecessary storylines. I need some help on this because hes made too many characters, i cant remember them anymore. But these are the essential ones:
a. Liam(good wife path) - monogamy and polygamy
b. Dylan - Mom-son and mom son ntr
c. Ellie - Mom daughter (Do we have some female bully here? Or an orgy for women? I dont play so idk)
d. Aiden - Gangbang, NTR
e. Panasonic - Not sure if this is a main one but everyone likes her and shell will help his sister reach corruption faster.
f. Sam - Romance sons friend
See not so many main routes. He couldve cut off the sub ones, but why picked the nursing job? I mean theres no other old men and shota.

Some fans have been suggesting possible cuts for years, even as new characters were being added but the Dev makes his own decisions, based upon what & who he perceives, or knows to be, the core of his paying Patrons. Their views & poll votes are all that matters, (hence the 2nd MC contradiction) & this is understandable but in terms of story direction deplorable for many others. Other views don't count for much, if at all & that's how it's always been & it will stay that way.

Even the side jobs needn't have been such an issue, if there'd been less characters, fewer routes & a faster pace of roll-out.

It's not true to say that there are no other old men, or shota. If there were 2 old side job blokes in order to tease the potential for a "spit roast," what's to stop Mr. Murray from bringing a friend? Only the fact that it's been done so many times before in other games, is my POV.

Shota-wise, Dylan, Sam, Zack & a cast of teens as large a '60s beach movie have provided an ongoing overdose of 'shota lite.' Nothing that could have happened with the apostles couldn't have occurred in school, or at Aiden's gang HQ, or "anywhere," now that only "porn logic" remains in AWAM. It's more a question of how young do the kids have to be, before that kink is satiated? We're talking about males & females mainly less than half Sophia's age. Even Nathalie is just 19. I think we "get it."

Everybody has their opinions on who could or should be written out but whatever those views are, AWAM is so stuffed full of unnecessary people that a sizeable total could go without any appreciable effect on the routes, or the fetishes included.

 

[palmtrees89]

e. Panasonic - Not sure if this is a main one but everyone likes her and shell will help his sister reach corruption faster.

...Who?

3. Forgetting steam, for gods sake.
Does gaben support milking system like patreon? Lp will be flooded by derogatory comments and grow despondent.

L&P can't release AWAM on Steam in it's current state. It goes against a bunch of Steam's guidelines. They are rather strict with that stuff. Way more than Patreon is.

 

[palmtrees89]

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Always funny reading stuff like that from L&P, when in return he adds more content with Dylan that was never planned in the first place. And I'm not talking about events with Sophia&Dylan, I'm talking about 2nd MC Dylan taking over the game slowly but surely, having his very own events without Sophia being part of it.

 

[ancienregimele]

Always funny reading stuff like that from L&P, when in return he adds more content with Dylan that was never planned in the first place. And I'm not talking about events with Sophia&Dylan, I'm talking about 2nd MC Dylan taking over the game slowly but surely, having his very own events without Sophia being part of it.

All that remains is for L&P to change the name of the game. That would take some nerve & could be terrible, thinking financially but it would be honest. I'm guessing that now he wishes he'd started out with a title such as, 'What Dylan Did,' by-line something like, 'the sexual adventures of a boy discovering a world of fun in a new city.' (Optional... '& "Milk Jugs" came too').

 

[palmtrees89]

All that remains is for L&P to change the name of the game. That would take some nerve & could be terrible, thinking financially but it would be honest. I'm guessing that now he wishes he'd started out with a title such as, 'What Dylan Did,' by-line something like, 'the sexual adventures of a boy discovering a world of fun in a new city.' (Optional... '& "Milk Jugs" came too').

He could have made a spin-off game to AWAM with Dylan as MC. Some familiar characters, some new ones. Surely there'd be a bunch of people supporting that. That would be the smart move if it wasn't for the current project and the decades it'll take to finish it. Oh well.

 

[ancienregimele]

He could have made a spin-off game to AWAM with Dylan as MC. Some familiar characters, some new ones. Surely there'd be a bunch of people supporting that. That would be the smart move if it wasn't for the current project and the decades it'll take to finish it. Oh well.

Maybe he could DLC it, or hire a team, no wait ...hang on...

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

He could have made a spin-off game to AWAM with Dylan as MC. Some familiar characters, some new ones. Surely there'd be a bunch of people supporting that. That would be the smart move if it wasn't for the current project and the decades it'll take to finish it. Oh well.

That's the thing, there are so many options for how this game's production could be improved that it's almost inexplicable that none of them have been attempted. I've had this conversation on Discord, but I'm highly suspicious at this point with many adult game developers because they all follow the same trajectory. Too many of them seemingly never learn anything from the devs that came before them. If making a game, and seeing that game through to its completion, is important to you, surely you would learn from the litany of games that came before and were abandoned. But time after time, these devs seem to only make choices that make their game harder to complete. Even now, L&P has said that's only "considering" dropping the side-jobs. A good idea that's so obvious, and yet he can't definitively commit to it. Yet we never hear him say "I was considering a new environment, but I decided against it because it would be too time intensive." It seems like it's always an easy decision to add to the game, but never easy to not add/remove from the game. Did this update really need two new characters + their boyfriends? Does he ever stop to evaluate his process?

 

[CSK92]

Maybe he could DLC it, or hire a team, no wait ...hang on...

He did have a Team. A Team of Defenders always coming to his aid for years. Most of them has disapeared. There will always be new ones, but they are far and in between these days. I tried worn those poor souls.

 

[hzjujk]

He did have a Team. A Team of Defenders always coming to his aid for years. Most of them has disapeared. There will always be new ones, but they are far and in between these days. I tried worn those poor souls.

Yes, we grow back! Like a weed or like a pimple on your ass that just won't go away.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

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I can't knock her, after all - she's 'seen' more action than the rest of us combined...

Now if only 'she' could talk.

Oh wait... she can... Movie night!!

Who's bringing the popcorn?

 

[Turret]

I find it quite funny how many players want the "Christine party event" cut out! This is actually one of the few side event chains with potential for the overall storyline!
It could be a path where Dylan leaves his mom´s orbit for good, because he finds a girlfriend his age.

-Christine is a bit of a wild child, but it is established early on in the game that she has a soft spot for Dylan. (even if Ellie does not want to see it at that time)
-Christine is a very open girl, regularly showering with her Mom and going by the fact that she mostly gets away with her shenigans, it is likely she visits her Dads shower somewhat regular too.
-if the player pursues Christine, she is mentioned to be the reason why Dylan wants to "experiment" with his Mom.
-if you are on the route where Dylan and Ellie reconcil, Christine and her friends accepting Dylan surely helps

This sleep over party can be leading to Dylan-Christine and/or Dylan-Ellie, maybe even a threesome Dylan/Christine/Ellie. Depending on the games played and wagers done, it could even be a hilarious variant, say Christine becomes Dylan´s girlfriend, but he has to become a member of the cheerleader squad also. While that would be a hard thing for Dylan, given what we heard earlier in the game, it would be sweetened by the fact that the head cheerleader would be his girlfriend. So screw the crude jokes of the others.
This party has quite some story potential.