VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

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tofhdns

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I couldn't understand the movement of this graph

I couldn't understand how 400 sponsors could make the same move.
And it didn't feel human to unsubscribe and renew the same date.

This is because cancellation and renewal are virtually meaningless.

So for a while, I wondered if there was a trick to Patreon's statistics method.

Then, this time, I found the answer.

About 1,600 people pay by card, and about 400 people use PayPal.

I don't know how PayPal and Patreon's payment system are linked, but there is currently no way to explain the movement of the graph other than this.

So, the LP has 2,000 regular customers, not 1,600, and the LP is earning an average of $7,700 per month.
(Left graph is card user, right graph is total)

This is why LP badmouths his sponsors, tries to block them, repeats lies every year, and delays the story without speeding things up.

Sponsors have to talk to LP, there is no other way.
 
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tofhdns said:
So, the LP has 2,000 regular customers, not 1,600, and the LP is earning an average of $7,700 per month.
(Left graph is card user, right graph is total)
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You're reading this wrong. The $7,200 are from December 2019, which was the last time L&P displayed his monthly income on Patreon. That was back when he had roughly 900 patrons.

There's also zero indicator as to which payment method anyone is using. It's just that at current, roughly 1600 patrons are supporting him continuously, while others only pledge for a month. Then there's those who drop out entirely and also new supporters.

The graph on the left shows his income from August 2019, while the right one is from December 2019.

We can't see how much L&P is earning every month. Those numbers are old and chances are he's earning twice as much considering he's doubled his patrons since then. The only indicator, which is kinda worthless, can be seen at the very top right on graphtreon, and you can be sure that he's on the higher end of that estimate, if not higher.
 
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palmtrees89 said:
You're reading this wrong. The $7,200 are from December 2019, which was the last time L&P displayed his monthly income on Patreon. That was back when he had roughly 900 patrons.

There's also zero indicator as to which payment method anyone is using. It's just that at current, roughly 1600 patrons are supporting him continuously, while others only pledge for a month. Then there's those who drop out entirely and also new supporters.

The graph on the left shows his income from August 2019, while the right one is from December 2019.

We can't see how much L&P is earning every month. Those numbers are old and chances are he's earning twice as much considering he's doubled his patrons since then. The only indicator, which is kinda worthless, can be seen at the very top right on graphtreon, and you can be sure that he's on the higher end of that estimate, if not higher.
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First, Patreon's payment methods include card and PayPal, and the ratio is 7:3.
This ratio is similar to the graph of LP.

Second, I only looked at the payout per partron and the number of partrons.
I didn't look at monthly income.

My guess at $7,700 was due to the number of partrons and the amount paid.

Thirdly, it is not possible to explain why there are two graphs without this reasoning.

Since this is simply speculation, I know I could be wrong at any time.

But I hope you'll give a better interpretation than me, rather than just saying "wrong".

And your explanation cannot explain the movement of 400 people as I mentioned.
 
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palmtrees89 said:
You're reading this wrong. The $7,200 are from December 2019, which was the last time L&P displayed his monthly income on Patreon. That was back when he had roughly 900 patrons.

There's also zero indicator as to which payment method anyone is using. It's just that at current, roughly 1600 patrons are supporting him continuously, while others only pledge for a month. Then there's those who drop out entirely and also new supporters.

The graph on the left shows his income from August 2019, while the right one is from December 2019.

We can't see how much L&P is earning every month. Those numbers are old and chances are he's earning twice as much considering he's doubled his patrons since then. The only indicator, which is kinda worthless, can be seen at the very top right on graphtreon, and you can be sure that he's on the higher end of that estimate, if not higher.
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The number 1622 in the graph on the left, equals 1622, April 1st in the graph on the right.
 
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If that. I'm still fairly certain that he doesn't have any consistent help because he doesn't want it. IIRC, he outright said he won't pay people a few years back. I wouldn't believe anything he said wrt development. He gives no reason to.

I think people meme and joke about it without ever really letting it set-in that his development timeframe for this VN is 20 years - at least. Basically, the time from the September 11th attacks to Covid is what he is insisting he needs to properly tell a story about a woman becoming a slut, lol.
It's such an ego and sense of self-importance to even think you need or deserve that much time to tell any story, let alone a porn story.

20 years, more like 25-30 total. Everyone reading this please add 25 years to your age right now and realize, sincerely, that this VN will finish around that point if it ever finishes at all.

So he NEEDS to hire people because it's just not viable or realistic.
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He does not want to hire anyone.
He pretends he wants to, every year, to appease patrons. And some gullible ones still believe him.
 
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tofhdns said:
And your explanation cannot explain the movement of 400 people as I mentioned.
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palmtrees89 said:
It's just that at current, roughly 1600 patrons are supporting him continuously, while others only pledge for a month. Then there's those who drop out entirely and also new supporters.
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I don't know what you don't understand about the monthly drop, but I literally explained it. The majority of patrons support continuously while a couple hundred drop out after a month, either renewing their pledge at some point, new people coming in or whatever.

Weather the payment method is 7:3 like you said doesn't matter though, does it? Your estimate of $7,700 a month also falls flat as all the numbers for monthly income available go back to December 2019.

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The number 1622 in the graph on the left, equals 1622, April 1st in the graph on the right.
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That's nice and all, but still doesn't change the fact that the numbers you provided are from August 2019 and December 2019 respectively. No matter what you change on the graph (monthly, yearly, all time), the numbers shown will still sit at the last known, which like I said are from 2019. Graphtreon simply cannot be accurate except for the number of patrons a creator has unless they decide to display their monthly income, which L&P doesn't.
 
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