VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[tofhdns]

In terms of "What can he sell?" if he takes out the side jobs, that's easy. I more or less don't play either side job. I accept the first side job, but nope out when it comes to giving the old men a bath. I play board games with them instead.

But I still enjoy what content I do play immensely. As far as I'm concerned, there's only about 20% of AWAM that is worth playing. But that 20% is awesome.

I didn't find anything in your post with which I can't agree.

But from a market perspective, the story is different.

Is this a porn game?
So, was there content suitable for a porn game?

Is this a dating game, not a porn game?
So, was there content suitable for a dating game?

Well... I don't know.

The game itself could be uploaded to the Steam site, if he works hard.
And there will be consumers who buy it, regardless of whether it is successful or not.

But I still don't know.

To me, it feels like this developer is selling bricks packaged in pretty boxes.

If this is a racing game, I think it should at least have one completed track to enjoy.
If this game is a shooting game, I think there should be at least one field to enjoy.

This game is a porn game, but I don't know if it exists.

 

[BulliThulli]

downloaded 190, but get error message when loading save for their date. have no problem loading saves where dylan leaves on his own. is there a fix?

Even I had this problem. What I did is, I looked into the auto-saves section, there were a few saves that were in Dylan's route, and I loaded from that. worked fine.

or you can use my mod to bypass all these. Read the warnings in that post.

 

[Bibifoc]

downloaded 190, but get error message when loading save for their date. have no problem loading saves where dylan leaves on his own. is there a fix?

A new version has been released (0.191). You can contact your favorite rats for more information

 

[ihl86]

All of Patricia's events are in Part 1, yes. So far for my playthrough there hasn't been a single event in Part 2 worth playing. Downloaded the first update of Part 2, played for 45 seconds, haven't downloaded an update since.

I'm referring to the Yoga event on PD11, where Sophia gets naked in front of Claire and Marie. There's some internal monologue about how strangely comfortable she is now changing in front of people.

And yeah, I accept that it's different getting undressed in a more socially acceptable setting, but that's the point I'm getting at. Sure, Aiden is better at getting Sophia into degrading situations, but that's the entire point of him as a character on the Dylan route. The Dylan route is degrading for Sophia. Can't speak for the Sam route as I don't play that either, but certainly for the Ellie and Patricia routes so far, it's still in the realms of harmless fun.

I don't think of Aiden's path on the Dylan route. You could easily go through the blackmail but not touch Dylan with a stick.
I really don't see why L&P and so many people like Dylan. Sam I don't like myself but I could maybe see, but Dylan? And here I don't talk about the concept of incest or anything like that, I mean Dylan as a character. Would love it if a Dylan fan would answer this question seriously and list why they like him (again, not the incest path itself but Dylan as a character). Unless this game is played but a bunch of 16-20 year olds that see themselves in him... But I doubt this category so prevalent among L&Ps patrons.

Regarding the degrading part, I think most of his tasks (except task 3) have a degrading factor in them, and Sofia might start to enjoy that as well but I think Sofia is also just enjoying the part where she is making her students horny by being "more naked than usual" in front of them. I don't think that has any degrading components. Just like the 3rd task, being a naked model for an art class to paint you has nothing degrading in it.

 

[hzjujk]

Houstin, we have a problem!

Well, it's a plot problem. So, Sophia gave Dylan a hand job...touching his cock. Fair enough. But besides some tit sucking and a little southern boarder incursion, how does the developer square the two plot holes he now has?

With Sam, she satisfied herself and with Dylan only got her engines warmed up. So why didn't Sam or Dylan touch the Holy of Holys? The developer got Sophia to second base fairly easy and, in her state, both Sam and Dylan should have been able to at least steal 3rd base.

I only bring it up because at some point Sophia is going to have to reflect on the state of affairs in all her relationships and have to transform with her lust, love and wants.

Good job scripting a changing attitude. Seeing Dylan as a young man and him showing desire for her helps the story line. Though to further her fall, one or two elements are needed. She is going to have to fantasize about Sam, and Dylan on a more romantic level. Sophia needs to fantasize about other men wanting her but on just a pure lust level. Some of those fantasies should warm her heart, like with Sam and Dylan, or scare her if it's about the Myer boys, or whoever. A half good dream and nightmare would be a good start.... something like things is going along well and in the dream her lover (whoever) is about to take her, and she wakes up--and doesn't go back to sleep, reflecting on her behavior, desires, and how things stand with her relationships.

Now a pretext is needed...maybe dissatisfaction with Liam or such what. And Sophia herself is going to have to test the waters of her own desires. And it's in the testing of those waters where things will go too far

For erotic mental cinema it takes time, days, weeks. Time for self-corruption by dreaming that is not available.
Sophia's panic, her ridiculous excuses for her behavior, which she doesn't believe herself, leave no room for erotic fantasies.
When Sophia talks to Dylan the next day, she doesn't just have to ask herself and him why she broke her vows with Dylan. L&P also has to clarify the question why Dylan doesn't waste any thought on taking his father's wife away from Sophia. Does he love his father so little, has he so little respect for him? And if so, why is that? (My guilty conscience is limited, but it is important for the story.)
L&P has so far consistently avoided making Liam look too bad, so it's not so easy to just ignore it at this point.
The 0.190 event was not a seduction it was a hard hitting corruption event for Sophia. Dylan didn't do anything on purpose, but he made the best use of the chances he had.
Nevertheless, I do not see that the two are already over the mountain in their relationship, where further events will be a sure-fire success. This point has not yet been reached. And we have another event the very next day!
The only way, and I agree with you, that Sophia could even get herself in the mood to continue is for Liam to do something very stupid.
When he learns that Dylan would rather go out with his mother than spend the evening at a party with young girls, he then massively taunts his son.
I don't see any other option at the moment. Suggestions would be welcome though!

 

[qashqai3047]

NEED A HERO

 

[qashqai3047]

Ow it’s up, shit, sorry

 

[Alley_Cat]

I don't think of Aiden's path on the Dylan route. You could easily go through the blackmail but not touch Dylan with a stick.
I really don't see why L&P and so many people like Dylan. Sam I don't like myself but I could maybe see, but Dylan? And here I don't talk about the concept of incest or anything like that, I mean Dylan as a character. Would love it if a Dylan fan would answer this question seriously and list why they like him (again, not the incest path itself but Dylan as a character). Unless this game is played but a bunch of 16-20 year olds that see themselves in him... But I doubt this category so prevalent among L&Ps patrons.

Regarding the degrading part, I think most of his tasks (except task 3) have a degrading factor in them, and Sofia might start to enjoy that as well but I think Sofia is also just enjoying the part where she is making her students horny by being "more naked than usual" in front of them. I don't think that has any degrading components. Just like the 3rd task, being a naked model for an art class to paint you has nothing degrading in it.

The reason Aiden's tasks are on the Dylan route is simply that there is no reason for Sophia to accept the tasks except to protect Dylan. You cannot play the Dylan route without at least accepting the first few tasks. As a player, sure, you can play the tasks without playing Dylan's events, but that makes no sense from Sophia's perspective.

And yeah, most of the tasks are pretty tame at the moment, but we know from the 4th task onwards they are only going to get worse. My understanding from the event at the hideout this PD was that Sophia is now expected to show her boobs to whichever male wants to see them.

 

[ihl86]

The reason Aiden's tasks are on the Dylan route is simply that there is no reason for Sophia to accept the tasks except to protect Dylan. You cannot play the Dylan route without at least accepting the first few tasks. As a player, sure, you can play the tasks without playing Dylan's events, but that makes no sense from Sophia's perspective.

And yeah, most of the tasks are pretty tame at the moment, but we know from the 4th task onwards they are only going to get worse. My understanding from the event at the hideout this PD was that Sophia is now expected to show her boobs to whichever male wants to see them.

From what I saw L&P say it's not really that way. It was more of a thing Aiden said than an actual order. However I could expect him to require her to do so when they are in small company. Like if Andre asks her and it's only the three of them. I do expect at some point Sofia will have to flash her students without panties or something as well. How far down the line, we also don't know. Aiden also boasted she will suck all of his gang members, this could easily be a boast and not necessarily the truth.


Regarding Dylan route and how much sense it makes from Sophia's perspective: I think that is not true. A mother has all the reasons to protect her son from being bullied and beaten without her wanting to fuck him (which would be the Dylan route). The fact that she is protecting him makes him less of an attraction for her in my eyes.
I kind of play AWAM at the moment to see all content so I don't have to wait two years to play something. But that is more because I really like how Sophia looks and her expressions (credit here to L&P).
If I would play my ideal version: Dylan would just be her baby boy she wants to protect, Sam is just a kid she has fond memories of, Zac is only the best choice for her to do stuff in class but nothing really outside class.

 

[pelon]

hi, does anyone know why the previous saves are not working, I have to re-import all the ones I had before, I already had the perfect path, damn it

 

[ihl86]

Houstin, we have a problem!

Well, it's a plot problem. So, Sophia gave Dylan a hand job...touching his cock. Fair enough. But besides some tit sucking and a little southern boarder incursion, how does the developer square the two plot holes he now has?

With Sam, she satisfied herself and with Dylan only got her engines warmed up. So why didn't Sam or Dylan touch the Holy of Holys? The developer got Sophia to second base fairly easy and, in her state, both Sam and Dylan should have been able to at least steal 3rd base.

I only bring it up because at some point Sophia is going to have to reflect on the state of affairs in all her relationships and have to transform with her lust, love and wants.

Good job scripting a changing attitude. Seeing Dylan as a young man and him showing desire for her helps the story line. Though to further her fall, one or two elements are needed. She is going to have to fantasize about Sam, and Dylan on a more romantic level. Sophia needs to fantasize about other men wanting her but on just a pure lust level. Some of those fantasies should warm her heart, like with Sam and Dylan, or scare her if it's about the Myer boys, or whoever. A half good dream and nightmare would be a good start.... something like things is going along well and in the dream her lover (whoever) is about to take her, and she wakes up--and doesn't go back to sleep, reflecting on her behavior, desires, and how things stand with her relationships.

Now a pretext is needed...maybe dissatisfaction with Liam or such what. And Sophia herself is going to have to test the waters of her own desires. And it's in the testing of those waters where things will go too far

I've seen this point before. how come Sofia didn't go further. In her horny state, she should have at least went to third base. That is certainly not true with women in real life. Don't think about what you do with someone you're in a relationship with. This of a first date. It really depends on the woman how far she will let you go. 3rd base is a pretty comital step. Add to this the fact that she is married. Add on top of this Dylan is her son, Sam is a boy she has watched over as a little kid playing with her son. Those thoughts don't just go away because you are horny. Yes, for a porn game, this is a very slow progression and we are kind of made to expect more from scenes. Reality is quite different. At least in my experience.

L&P also has to clarify the question why Dylan doesn't waste any thought on taking his father's wife away from Sophia. Does he love his father so little, has he so little respect for him? And if so, why is that? (My guilty conscience is limited, but it is important for the story.)
L&P has so far consistently avoided making Liam look too bad, so it's not so easy to just ignore it at this point.

I haven't seen anyone else mention this yet. Finally. Even if he is attracted to his mother, once the horniness subsides, does he just look at his father and say "what a chump, I'm going to fuck his wife" or what? From what we've seen Liam is a good father. Maybe a little neglectful towards Sophia lately, but definitely a good father. Why would Dylan have no remorse here?

The 0.190 event was not a seduction it was a hard hitting corruption event for Sophia. Dylan didn't do anything on purpose, but he made the best use of the chances he had.

I would say Dylan does everything on purpose. From finding the photoshoot, to trying to find out even more to get more leverage, to everything else. In many ways, he is worse than Aiden, since Sophia is his mother and he wants to take advantage of her to get some sexual experience.

The only way, and I agree with you, that Sophia could even get herself in the mood to continue is for Liam to do something very stupid.

Liam doing something very stupid would be, in my eyes, the easy way out for Sophia. It would give her an excuse to cheat on him once and after he apologizes she should feel really bad about it.
I think cheating more than once, long term cheating comes more from accumulated dissatisfaction in the marriage. Which is kind of building with Liam kind of being busy and not giving her enough time. But, unfortunately, since we have these stupid playing days, and we see every moment of Sophia's life, the game won't have enough time to build upon this. So what you said is probably the go L&P will go.

When he learns that Dylan would rather go out with his mother than spend the evening at a party with young girls, he then massively taunts his son.
I don't see any other option at the moment. Suggestions would be welcome though!

You think that taunt would be something very stupid Liam does? I think it would be a very natural thing. Considering Liam doesn't know about Dylan's ulterior motives. Who would prefer to spend their night with their mother instead of going to a party with young girls. Sophia herself should have sent him there. He says he wants experience with girls/women but instead of going out to get some he begs his mother for it...



Long rant over

 

[ihl86]

hi, does anyone know why the previous saves are not working, I have to re-import all the ones I had before, I already had the perfect path, damn it

My saves worked without a problem. I continued where I left off.

 

[Sadowdark]

There is one serious problem with this game, no one cares about anyone . The heroes don't talk about their problems to others at all.

 

[Bibifoc]

hi, does anyone know why the previous saves are not working, I have to re-import all the ones I had before, I already had the perfect path, damn it

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[Juidas]

There is one serious problem with this game, no one cares about anyone. The characters don't talk to each other at all.

Disagree, there are plenty of normal conversations. However if the dev totally focussed on chit chat the game would never be completed

 

[Sadowdark]

Disagree, there are plenty of normal conversations. However if the dev totally focussed on chit chat the game would never be completed

The characters talk nonsense instead of talking about their problems. They also suffer from a strange disease called amnesia. Will this game ever be finished?

 

[Whitekink]

** Voting is a listed benefit starting at the $20 tier of support; IF L&P's Posted Patreon information is correct, then the poll hardly represents the desires of the majority of L&P's paying supporters.

For most voting, but for the character poll, I could vote and I am on the lowest tier possible.

 

[S.t.s]

I wish another developer would make a game with Sofia.

 

[YoungMommyy69]

My humble opinion:

* This update felt tasteless, contrary to Sam events, it just didn't seem realistic, oddly enough I was more turned by the jogging at the park, just because the thrill of it happening was bigger, For example Sam's "chapters" are indeed realistic and therefore meet the expected excitement, even though the son is my favorite story, it's just not doing it.

Overall I think the dev is not getting the psychology right, you don't need a super elaborated fancy context for a handjob to be real, a handy could've been achieved easily in the previous update through other mechanisms.

 

[sssaam.cindy.2019]

My humble opinion:

* This update felt tasteless, contrary to sam events, it just didn't seem realistic, oddly enough I was more turned by the jogging at the park, just because the thrill of it happening was bigger, For example Sam's "chapters" are indeed realistic and therefore meet the expected excitement, even though the son is my favorite story it is not doing it.

Overall I think the dev is not getting the psychology right, you don't need a super elaborated fancy context for a handjob to be real, a handy could've been achieved easily in the previous update through other mechanisms.

You said it sir!