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big enough for this statement. Nothing can change, everything has to be how it is, anyone thinking differently is wrong, no middle ground on anything. That opening line is the definition of a "strawman argument". People are asking that he scale his graphics back down to where they were an update or two ago, and not use 1080p. Is he saying his graphics before were shit? It's just another attempt to avoid any accountability.If, after years of development, his estimates are "off" by 30% to 40%, then he hasn't learned how to manage himself. That's what all of this comes down to; an absolute inability to manage a project with reasonable expectations and reliable deliverables. His defensiveness just seals it.
It will take 2 weeks more...
Can someone explain me the difference between "Created Scenes" and "Rendered Scenes"?
I'm probably understanding something wrong else this is ridiculous at this point
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Created Scenes is setting the scene up with lighting/poses/environment/characters/clothes/makeup/hair and a dozen other things.
Rendered scenes refers to taking a computer image or file and converting it into another format .
Have you not posted in the Fan Art forum?
That's what I thought.
So can someone explain me why only the rendered scenes go up ?
Is he putting the batch renderer to work and takes half a week off? Isn't he supposed to have a rig by now capable of rendering on the fly while he creates the scenes?
You only need 1 RTX 3090 to set up a scene the others cards can be used to render like you said.
This is a scene being created. Before it's rendered.
2. This is a scene rendered (3dlight is used to render just like Iray with RTX 3090), the optioin b) it's the render that have Postwork (example: photoshop), L&P have this option like: Art Edited with PS
This is a scene being created. Before it's rendered.
2. This is a scene rendered (3dlight is used to render just like Iray with RTX 3090), the optioin b) it's the render that have Postwork (example: photoshop), L&P have this option like: Art Edited with PS
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I last heard that when he is creating a scene he does not render another scene at the same time as the rig he has now can render very fast.
It is the time that he takes on Creating the Scenes that is the killer, just look at the Aiden event that he started on the 25th March and it is now the April 18th and maybe it is finished.
All things I knew but wanted someone else to confirm.
So the question remains, how come the created scenes % very rarely moves up together with rendered scenes if both jobs can be done at the same time?
My question is, how come days have passed and only rendered scenes come up when that is just batch rendering already created scenes?
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And I am not rebuking your opinion. I just spoke on the chances of this fantasy or speculation being a reality in the game. I too would like to see a new dynamic in the story.
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I understand you and agree with you in many ways, but not literally. I think L&P should emphasize that AWAM is primarily a visual novel!
A game is just a way to tell a story, to reveal it in a more multifaceted way.
It is only in this context that the need for deep penetration into the details and nuances of the plot becomes clear. It is clear that this requires a certain amount of text, dialogues, characters' thoughts and, in addition, visualizations.
If we, including myself, perceive AWAM purely as a game, then it is quite natural for everyone to personally see different unnecessary details, both in the text and in the visualizations.
Therefore, I think it would be appropriate for L&P to place accents so that everyone is clear and understandable what its purpose is. Then everyone understands his motives and actions, and I am sure that fewer users will have thoughts about milking!
And if you focus on the novel, and not on the game, then it becomes more appropriate to release updates more often in the amount of 500 - 700 renders as they are ready, without reference to all other plots of the game.
Thus, we will receive updates every 2 - 3 months, which will not be so tiresome.
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I don't agree with this at all.
Game or Visual Novel, neither changes the fact that this product is meandering. Whether this was a game with gameplay elements, or a non-linear visual novel, it doesn't change that there are fundamental structural issues here that prevent the product from being released on a consistent basis.
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He does state that his game is a Visual Novel. You can find this text on his main page. Unless you want him to omit the word "game" from his text?
For a certain amount of text, dialogues, characters' thoughts, and visualizations. L&P stated that the story is written already.
The problem here is that he keeps adding or changing things which, in turn, adds more to his workload. So he's not sticking to his script. I understand sometimes you may have to change things up, but it seems that with every update, we have a change in something with the story. It's almost as he has an Outline for the story, and L&P needs to assemble it.
The problem with this statement is he had a plan to release updates quicker. The updates were supposed to be split from Full to Half to One-Third Gamedays. The problem is the change to the script that was already written by L&P. Now, L&P did state that the Major Update Event would take longer. Still, this update wasn't supposed to be a major update, but L&P turned it into a major event, which tells me he added more to the script. If the script is written already, L&P should tell his members when a Major Event is planned, giving his members the expectation that this is a long production event. It's like he's planning on the fly and doesn't have a structure for tackling events in sequential order. Basically, L&P is unorganized. He's shooting from the hip right now. And he admits this in the statement.
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EXACTLY! It's why his defensive response rings hollow, he's deliberately missing the point that the problem is with his organization. Instead of addressing his disorganization, he's trying to sell people on the idea that everything is going according to plan and that the game has no flaws. He at no point is addressing the structural/fundamental elements of the criticism.
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Everyone has the right to their personal opinion, that's okay!
This is not the point at all.
The question is, our opinion is a very subjective thing! To be objective enough, you and I need to have much more information about how L&P does its job, about its plans, technical capabilities, etc. not to mention information related to creativity.
Naturally, we have some information, but you must admit it is not enough for a deep, objective assessment. Not to mention the fact that not everyone who evaluates the work of L&P is qualified enough.
And then, what are the evaluation criteria?
It must be admitted that the main criterion for evaluating the work of L&P today is the release of updates. ))
But you must admit that this is fundamentally wrong and only based on our expectations.
I think it can be quite objective if we estimate the number of ready-made renderers per day and the amount of text per working day.
When the update is published, we can check these indicators and evaluate its work.
And all the talk that the game contains unnecessary renders, unnecessary arcs and unnecessary descriptions, these are all empty and inconsistent estimates.
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It is for these considerations that you express that I am talking about the need to highlight accents. And it is not you and me who should do this, but L&P. Because you and I and other users have different interpretations. We can argue endlessly, only L&P can put an end to the dispute.
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For you personally, his defensive reaction sounds meaningless! And for him, for a person who works seven days a week, who creates such a voluminous project, his excuses are just some insignificant element because a person's life is not only his work!
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Bane71 You are misusing the terms "subjective" and "objective", probably a language barrier thing.
Here's an example of a subjective opinion:
"Dylan sucks because he's not brave enough to ask Sophia for what he wants." This is an opinion that cannot be measured in any way. It's neither right or wrong, it's subjective.
Here's an example of an objective opinion:
"L&P is badly managing this game because he is failing to meet his stated goals despite having the technology required."
It isn't about complaining about "redundant renders" or "walking back and forth", those are symptoms of a the bigger problem. We don't need to know the details of L&P's creative process, all we need to know is what he has told us about his plans. Based upon what he has told us, we can objectively measure how close he is to achieving his goals. Objectively, based upon the goal of improving development time by decreasing the releases to 1/3 of a day, L&P is failing. Objectively, based on what he told us before development began, L&P has failed to follow his own plan for this update.
A subjective opinion would be that L&P is milking his patrons. An objective opinion is that he's failing to meet his stated goals. The reasons for that failure do not matter, it is objectively true that he's failing to meet them. Maybe you think the reasons for that failure excuse it, that is a subjective opinion. But we should all agree that despite the move to 1/3 day updates and improved hardware, we have not received the planned for improvement to development times. That's the objective fact.
Here's an example of a subjective opinion:
"Dylan sucks because he's not brave enough to ask Sophia for what he wants." This is an opinion that cannot be measured in any way. It's neither right or wrong, it's subjective.
Here's an example of an objective opinion:
"L&P is badly managing this game because he is failing to meet his stated goals despite having the technology required."
It isn't about complaining about "redundant renders" or "walking back and forth", those are symptoms of a the bigger problem. We don't need to know the details of L&P's creative process, all we need to know is what he has told us about his plans. Based upon what he has told us, we can objectively measure how close he is to achieving his goals. Objectively, based upon the goal of improving development time by decreasing the releases to 1/3 of a day, L&P is failing. Objectively, based on what he told us before development began, L&P has failed to follow his own plan for this update.
A subjective opinion would be that L&P is milking his patrons. An objective opinion is that he's failing to meet his stated goals. The reasons for that failure do not matter, it is objectively true that he's failing to meet them. Maybe you think the reasons for that failure excuse it, that is a subjective opinion. But we should all agree that despite the move to 1/3 day updates and improved hardware, we have not received the planned for improvement to development times. That's the objective fact.