VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.200] [Lust & Passion]

[Bane71]

last post from patron,which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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This message from L&P confirms my guess about which I spoke earlier: https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-130-lust-passion.5944/post-6456605
The concert, the performance of the band is not an onovny event, it is only a prelude to what should happen a little later. Therefore, the rocker outfit is not so important. And besides, it's really not natural for Sofia to dress up in a rock outfit, she is an adult, stylish woman.

Moreover, I absolutely do not understand why there are so many objections and disputes about Sofia's outfit for the concert?
If you do not focus on your preferences and objectively try to evaluate the two options, then it is quite obvious that the rocker outfit is more suitable for Patricia than for Sofia! After all, Patricia, firstly, is younger, and secondly, she has a more playful character than Sofia.

As a result, it so happened that we see part of the proposed outfit for Sofia on Patricia.

I also want to draw your attention to the fact that the criticism of L&P coming from visitors to this forum is very often too categorical!!!
Criticism sounds like the plot of the game should follow the logic of the critic, and not the author's intentions, and L&P should certainly listen and make corrections!!!

My friends, this is our big mistake and bias towards the author!
Firstly, because we do not know the whole idea of the author and what should happen in the future in the game! After all, what is happening is just a small step for a big ladder, which should lead the heroes of the game to certain decisions and events!
Secondly, you must agree, friends, that each of us has his own logic, different from the opinion of another person! Therefore, it is quite obvious that no matter how the author builds events and routes in the game, he will never be able to satisfy each of us 100%!

Therefore, my friends, I urge everyone to somewhat reduce the degree of disputes and discontent, discard resentments and disappointments and just enjoy those moments of the game that you personally like!

 

[Bane71]

Exactly my point from an earlier post (though you probably said it better). After the task and the side job where does she go with Sam. She actually likes him so there must be something happening or his path crashes. Here she is screaming for his attention. Will she just be a face in the crowd for him (he knows she is there) until the end when she moves to the front for his reward. That is the question. Where does she take this? Does not matter what she is wearing that is the question. where does she take Sam and where does Sam then take her. Granted, this will at most be Pixil lite.

I believe that many people are concerned about the questions that you are asking.
I do not know exactly what will happen, but when I described to L&P my vision of the events of this evening, he told me that I am not so far from what will happen.
If L&P is not joking and laughing at me, then believe me, the events of this evening will be very interesting!

I'm sorry, I won't say anything to the point, it will be a completely unnecessary spoiler that will only spoil the impression of the upcoming update. But one thing can be said with certainty that it is important not only what is happening, but also the text that describes the events! Unfortunately, it is an almost impossible task to quickly write a great text, and we all constantly put pressure on L&P and demand to speed up the creation process, thereby creating an insoluble contradiction for it and getting a not so high-quality product for ourselves!

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

This message from L&P confirms my guess about which I spoke earlier: https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-130-lust-passion.5944/post-6456605
The concert, the performance of the band is not an onovny event, it is only a prelude to what should happen a little later. Therefore, the rocker outfit is not so important. And besides, it's really not natural for Sofia to dress up in a rock outfit, she is an adult, stylish woman.

Moreover, I absolutely do not understand why there are so many objections and disputes about Sofia's outfit for the concert?
If you do not focus on your preferences and objectively try to evaluate the two options, then it is quite obvious that the rocker outfit is more suitable for Patricia than for Sofia! After all, Patricia, firstly, is younger, and secondly, she has a more playful character than Sofia.

As a result, it so happened that we see part of the proposed outfit for Sofia on Patricia.

I also want to draw your attention to the fact that the criticism of L&P coming from visitors to this forum is very often too categorical!!!
Criticism sounds like the plot of the game should follow the logic of the critic, and not the author's intentions, and L&P should certainly listen and make corrections!!!

My friends, this is our big mistake and bias towards the author!
Firstly, because we do not know the whole idea of the author and what should happen in the future in the game! After all, what is happening is just a small step for a big ladder, which should lead the heroes of the game to certain decisions and events!
Secondly, you must agree, friends, that each of us has his own logic, different from the opinion of another person! Therefore, it is quite obvious that no matter how the author builds events and routes in the game, he will never be able to satisfy each of us 100%!

Therefore, my friends, I urge everyone to somewhat reduce the degree of disputes and discontent, discard resentments and disappointments and just enjoy those moments of the game that you personally like!

Agree. As for me so far I've been satisfied with the VN for 93.4% of the time. That's good enough for me.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Agree. As for me so far I've been satisfied with the VN for 93.4% of the time. That's good enough for me.

How did you arrive at 93.4%? That's a rather specific number

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

How did you arrive at 93.4%? That's a rather specific number

I liked the addition of the bums in the park being used in a way to push Dylan and Sophia closer together. However I feel there was a missed opportunity for Dylan to also protect Ellie and get closer with her. Maybe Ellie and her girlfriends are working out in the park. The bums start harassing her and Dylan comes along and puts a stop to them the same way. Because of that it wasn't quite enough to make it a full percentage point of approval so I gave it 0.4%

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

This message from L&P confirms my guess about which I spoke earlier: https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-130-lust-passion.5944/post-6456605
The concert, the performance of the band is not an on ovny event, it is only a prelude to what should happen a little later. Therefore, the rocker outfit is not so important. And besides, it's really not natural for Sofia to dress up in a rock outfit, she is an adult, stylish woman.

Moreover, I absolutely do not understand why there are so many objections and disputes about Sofia's outfit for the concert?
If you do not focus on your preferences and objectively try to evaluate the two options, then it is quite obvious that the rocker outfit is more suitable for Patricia than for Sofia! After all, Patricia, firstly, is younger, and secondly, she has a more playful character than Sofia.

As a result, it so happened that we see part of the proposed outfit for Sofia on Patricia.

I also want to draw your attention to the fact that the criticism of L&P coming from visitors to this forum is very often too categorical!!!
Criticism sounds like the plot of the game should follow the logic of the critic, and not the author's intentions, and L&P should certainly listen and make corrections!!!

My friends, this is our big mistake and bias towards the author!
Firstly, because we do not know the whole idea of the author and what should happen in the future in the game! After all, what is happening is just a small step for a big ladder, which should lead the heroes of the game to certain decisions and events!
Secondly, you must agree, friends, that each of us has his own logic, different from the opinion of another person! Therefore, it is quite obvious that no matter how the author builds events and routes in the game, he will never be able to satisfy each of us 100%!

Therefore, my friends, I urge everyone to somewhat reduce the degree of disputes and discontent, discard resentments and disappointments and just enjoy those moments of the game that you personally like!

Bane, I will have to disagree with your post about the classy and rocky attire. Now it could be true this event may come in two parts, and the second part could be after the concert (I'm speculating here), but if it is true and there is the second part of this event that could explain the classy attire, then why did L&P make this post.

Spoiler: L&P - Event Dress Quote.

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Now I agree with a part of this statement that the polls may not choose the best option, but this also tells me he was second-guessing his choice of the classy outfit, and he might have made a mistake in choosing it as an option. And there could be the possibility that he's creating the second part to justify the classy attire (Once again, speculation).

If he truly thought that the classy attire was the right outfit for this event based on the events that will happen and her wardrobe taste, as he is the only one who knows about the event, he shouldn't have made this comment in the first place. However, since he made a change-up from the first poll about the first outfit with Aiden's 2nd task (Yellow Sundress), I think it was the correct choice to go with the poll vote, so it didn't set a precedent that future polls don't matter at all when voting for something in the novel. So, IMO, I think the classy attire was a bad option considering the event at play.

 

[ancienregimele]

And besides, it's really not natural for Sofia to dress up in a rock outfit, she is an adult, stylish woman.

She certainly was until she decided to go to a night-time bar band venue in an outfit that no upper middle-class woman of 38 in her right mind would be seen in, outside her own bedroom. I hear what you're saying but in RL the rock chick outfit would cost far more than the romper suit & would be worn stylishly in a Stevie Nicks kind of way, so even that aspect is not strictly realistic. I'm sorry but no amount of rationalisation is going to make me believe that L&P is not mainly catering for a bunch of pre-teens & teens but paying patrons, who will probably be priming their facepalms & thinking, "Who's Stevie Nicks?"

This game is on a very slow, gently sloped, downhill trajectory & that would be fine, if I hadn't invested so much time in it. I make criticisms in the hope that at some point the Dev will start thinking that some of his biggest fans/followers are in fact grown-up & start to write & render in the style to which we could become accustomed, because there are times when he can be very good.

 

[Deleted member 3516371]

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Patricia picks Sophia up to drive to the rock bar where Sam and his band will have their first real performance.

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I bet after the event Sophia and Patricia going somewhere to have sex with each other

 

[Alley_Cat]

I bet after the event Sophia and Patricia going somewhere to have sex with each other

As much as that would be hot, it would hardly be fair to Sam, considering it's a Sam event. The playable day 14 and 15 Patricia events, however .

 

[Deleted member 3516371]

As much as that would be hot, it would hardly be fair to Sam, considering it's a Sam event. The playable day 14 and 15 Patricia events, however .

Well the version i got is short the park sense that's it nothing else

 

[Alley_Cat]

Well the version i got is short the park sense that's it nothing else

The last event you get with Patricia is at the park? So no sauna, nightclub or shower after the Yoga event? Did you have Sophia go home during the football match so that Sophia goes to the sauna with Ellie and Patricia?

 

[Bane71]

Bane, I will have to disagree with your post about the classy and rocky attire. Now it could be true this event may come in two parts, and the second part could be after the concert (I'm speculating here), but if it is true and there is the second part of this event that could explain the classy attire, then why did L&P make this post.

Spoiler: L&P - Event Dress Quote.

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Now I agree with a part of this statement that the polls may not choose the best option, but this also tells me he was second-guessing his choice of the classy outfit, and he might have made a mistake in choosing it as an option. And there could be the possibility that he's creating the second part to justify the classy attire (Once again, speculation).

If he truly thought that the classy attire was the right outfit for this event based on the events that will happen and her wardrobe taste, as he is the only one who knows about the event, he shouldn't have made this comment in the first place. However, since he made a change-up from the first poll about the first outfit with Aiden's 2nd task (Yellow Sundress), I think it was the correct choice to go with the poll vote, so it didn't set a precedent that future polls don't matter at all when voting for something in the novel. So, IMO, I think the classy attire was a bad option considering the event at play.

I understand you, my friend, but just as you do not agree with me, I do not agree with you to some extent!

I have already expressed this opinion and I will repeat once again, we make excessively high demands on AWAM and L&P itself.
In addition, we are all not without sin and our actions and the work that we do are not always perfect. Not to mention that each of us has our own taste, education, worldview and culture!

I am not saying this in order to infringe and belittle anyone, but in order to criticize L&P, we understand that we are all weak and sinful and we are all unable to create perfection by creating something that will satisfy absolutely every user one hundred percent! Including L&P, the same person as us and he tends to make mistakes.

That is why I urge all of us to be a little softer in our criticism, so that the criticism is not so strict and categorical. But again, everyone makes this choice independently or rejects it, inflating their ego in their own eyes, no more.

This is my opinion about all our claims against L&P, my friend.

 

[Deleted member 3516371]

The last event you get with Patricia is at the park? So no sauna, nightclub or shower after the Yoga event? Did you have Sophia go home during the football match so that Sophia goes to the sauna with Ellie and Patricia?

Yeah but that was on 115

 

[Bane71]

She certainly was until she decided to go to a night-time bar band venue in an outfit that no upper middle-class woman of 38 in her right mind would be seen in, outside her own bedroom. I hear what you're saying but in RL the rock chick outfit would cost far more than the romper suit & would be worn stylishly in a Stevie Nicks kind of way, so even that aspect is not strictly realistic. I'm sorry but no amount of rationalisation is going to make me believe that L&P is not mainly catering for a bunch of pre-teens & teens but paying patrons, who will probably be priming their facepalms & thinking, "Who's Stevie Nicks?"

This game is on a very slow, gently sloped, downhill trajectory & that would be fine, if I hadn't invested so much time in it. I make criticisms in the hope that at some point the Dev will start thinking that some of his biggest fans/followers are in fact grown-up & start to write & render in the style to which we could become accustomed, because there are times when he can be very good.

Here's what I'll tell you, I support L&P on two resources, it's $ 5 and 1 euro every month. For me, this is an insignificant amount and I absolutely do not feel that L&P is obliged to listen to my opinion when creating its game.

If I were in the place of L&P, I would probably exclude the possibility for patrons to make a contribution in excess of $ 10, so that no one would feel the right to tell me how to create my NV.

I personally like AWAM very much, if we take the mt2007 approach to calculation as a basis, then I like AWAM by 98%! It would be 100% if L&P involved me in writing dialogues in some plots and used my suggestions for some storylines!
But I understand that this will not happen, moreover, I am not sure that I will have enough free time for this, not to mention my creative talents.

As for your criticism and comments about L&P, I can't agree with you, but I partially understand you! For example, I would be somewhat upset if a foot and a homosexual bend appeared in the game, especially if these routes could not be avoided according to the plot of the game.
But in most cases, in my opinion, criticism here on the forum is excessive and unconstructive, except in rare cases. More often than not, it looks like nagging much more than something constructive.

 

[nexer]

I bet after the event Sophia and Patricia going somewhere to have sex with each other

Yeap, and Sophia will tell her sister: "Fuck Sam, fuck all these teenagers, they're all useless

 

[nexer]

L&P was in a hurry, going on a little vacation, and the choice of clothes was made in a hurry. Decent options would have been rocky style and something Apollodore suggested.
Classy fits more with red carpet.

More: purse, earrings

But, it could have been worse

 

[ancienregimele]

I play Anna Exciting Affection, or AEA, as it's 'affectionately' known. It's straightforward escapist sexual fantasy & includes a range of fetishes. There's no pretence of reality. I came back to it after a year away, when such plotlines as there were had got too silly to waste time on. Now the writing has improved with help being taken onboard, although the last update was full of bugs.

So what? Well, Anna has a gorgeous look overall but that includes breasts & an arse of cartoon-like proportions. She wears improbable revealing outfits almost all of the time, some of which have been serious crimes against fashion, rather than being what IMO could be described as sexy. She belongs to the group of game protagonists who walk around with their stocking tops on show, as though that's something seen on every street, or in every office, on a daily basis. Nicole in The Tyrant was another mega-voluptuous culprit & surely we've all encountered many more in various games.

What's your point, you may ask. It's simple. I don't want AWAM to become another AEA or The Tyrant. AWAM had something that all the other games I've played didn't have but now that's not as clear-cut as it was.

If I want fratboy meet&fuck action, I play AEA, or a number of similar offerings. We have a market absolutely saturated with porn games, yet many are/were strangely similar & obviously catered to the same clientele. Such games can be great, when taken in small doses & have the advantage of not getting players like myself too invested or concerned about the characters, game development, or anything else. They are, in effect, beautiful but ephemeral, like cherry blossom, or a firework.

AWAM was different.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I understand you, my friend, but just as you do not agree with me, I do not agree with you to some extent!

I have already expressed this opinion and I will repeat once again, we make excessively high demands on AWAM and L&P itself.
In addition, we are all not without sin and our actions and the work that we do are not always perfect. Not to mention that each of us has our own taste, education, worldview and culture!

I am not saying this in order to infringe and belittle anyone, but in order to criticize L&P, we understand that we are all weak and sinful and we are all unable to create perfection by creating something that will satisfy absolutely every user one hundred percent! Including L&P, the same person as us and he tends to make mistakes.

That is why I urge all of us to be a little softer in our criticism, so that the criticism is not so strict and categorical. But again, everyone makes this choice independently or rejects it, inflating their ego in their own eyes, no more.

This is my opinion about all our claims against L&P, my friend.

Bane, You lost me on the "Sin" statement here... An example of this would be that L&P said he was cutting the days from Full > Half > One-Third to facilitate the release time for quicker updates. In this case, the updates are not coming quicker as he has stated updates would come quicker. So if someone should question or criticize L&P's own comments or statements about failing to meet his own words for quicker updates, That person who questioned him is of "Sin????" L&P is the one that sets the tone for his work as he is the author.

The definition of Criticism is as followed.

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So I don't understand your comment about "Softer" criticism. If L&P wants to limit the amount of criticism he receives, he might want to communicate more effectively and admit to making mistakes instead of being combative about them. Other VN authors out there have made mistakes and own up to them. And when they effectively communicate mistakes made by them to their members, they are usually greeted with understanding with some or little critical responses. The opposite mostly happens with authors who are more combative with criticism, and you and I know L&P can't handle criticism well.

 

[Satiro]

last post from patron,which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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......No a biker Girl but she has in her wardrobe a pair of jeans and a fucking top or tshirt right?

 

[l0v3rman]

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Patricia picks Sophia up to drive to the rock bar where Sam and his band will have their first real performance.

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Sophia's ready for gang bang with Sam's band