VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

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Bishop Robert said:
I would guess Neil saw Sophias bra and told Julie.

Perhaps there has been a time where Sam had wanked (possibly thinking about Julie) while having her bra?
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I like your hypothesis and I like the way you go about looking for interpretation of future events based on what the dev has already shown us in past events (from this point of view, the close-up on Sophia's shirt and bra on the floor of Sam's room could undoubtedly be a revealing element of what might happen next and lead us to think that they have some importance). However, I must point out to you (as in turn the wise xxxorro pointed out to me when, on the AWAM thread parallel to this one, I proposed a hypothesis similar to yours) two important factors that, in my opinion, weaken your hypothesis somewhat: timing and motivation.
Sam's father may have reported to Julia that he saw her bra in Sam's room, but from the time Neil went to Sam's (and possibly saw Sophia's bra on the floor) to when Julia is about to enter the same room a considerable amount of time has passed (time in which an entire cello lesson and two drawing sessions have taken place - the first with Sophia in her panties behind the cello, the second with Sophia without panties). So why wait so long to go yell at her brother? The attitude with which Julia is about to burst into Sam's room seems to be that of a sister who is really pissed off because she has just found out something for which she holds her brother responsible, and not that of someone who has had time to reflect and blow off steam. Maybe all this time has passed because it was Neil (busy in the garage) who forgot to tell his daughter what he just saw, and so Julia has only just found out? But either way, if Sam used to masturbate by fantasizing with his sister's bra, don't you think that would be a situation that both Julia and her father would like to see stopped as soon as possible?
Then, from the distance Neil stood from that shapeless mass of clothing present on the floor of Sam's room (assuming he possibly looked in that direction), I think it would be difficult for him to distinguish a bra from any of his son's other dirty clothes (all the more so since Sam had just told him he was changing).
Therefore, I believe that Julia breaks into Sam's room for another reason, which, however, is also to be found in the past events of the game. Especially to the previous evening, when Sam, in order to pick up Ellie (who was stranded on the beach after having a fight with her shit-house boyfriend), had the kind thought of "stealing" a hoodie from her sister's closet so that she would not catch cold.
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Thus, in my opinion, Julia may have just discovered that her favorite hoodie has inexplicably disappeared from her closet and (maybe having ascertained in the hallway chat that her mother knows nothing about it) now burst into Sam's room with the certainty that he took it ("Sam, are you fucking kidding me? That's so gross! How many times... do I have to tell you again that you don't have to go through my closet! Where has my favorite hoodie gone? Who did you give it to? Don't ever enter my room again!"). When she later finds out that her favorite hoodie served to warm Ellie up (and maybe it has now soaked up her scent) she will probably quickly blow off her anger and quickly go back to her room to wait for her special friend to visit, but now she's furious especially because her brother dared to enter her room when she was not there (between Julia and Sam I think there are pretty much the same rules that govern the relationship between Ellie and Dylan: Stay out of my bedroom! - in fact after almost a third of the game we practically never saw Ellie's room). At this point it would only remain to be determined how eventually Sam might be able to explain the reason for the disappearance of his sister's hoodie, before she can break into his room and find out what has so far happened with Sophia, but this does not necessarily have to happen... (it would be interesting, although it would be a further thickening of the plot).
 
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Dan5k74 said:
I like your hypothesis and I like the way you go about looking for interpretation of future events based on what the dev has already shown us in past events (from this point of view, the close-up on Sophia's shirt and bra on the floor of Sam's room could undoubtedly be a revealing element of what might happen next and lead us to think that they have some importance). However, I must point out to you (as in turn the wise xxxorro pointed out to me when, on the AWAM thread parallel to this one, I proposed a hypothesis similar to yours) two important factors that, in my opinion, weaken your hypothesis somewhat: timing and motivation.
Sam's father may have reported to Julia that he saw her bra in Sam's room, but from the time Neil went to Sam's (and possibly saw Sophia's bra on the floor) to when Julia is about to enter the same room a considerable amount of time has passed (time in which an entire cello lesson and two drawing sessions have taken place - the first with Sophia in her panties behind the cello, the second with Sophia without panties). So why wait so long to go yell at her brother? The attitude with which Julia is about to burst into Sam's room seems to be that of a sister who is really pissed off because she has just found out something for which she holds her brother responsible, and not that of someone who has had time to reflect and blow off steam. Maybe all this time has passed because it was Neil (busy in the garage) who forgot to tell his daughter what he just saw, and so Julia has only just found out? But either way, if Sam used to masturbate by fantasizing with his sister's bra, don't you think that would be a situation that both Julia and her father would like to see stopped as soon as possible?
Then, from the distance Neil stood from that shapeless mass of clothing present on the floor of Sam's room (assuming he possibly looked in that direction), I think it would be difficult for him to distinguish a bra from any of his son's other dirty clothes (all the more so since Sam had just told him he was changing).
Therefore, I believe that Julia breaks into Sam's room for another reason, which, however, is also to be found in the past events of the game. Especially to the previous evening, when Sam, in order to pick up Ellie (who was stranded on the beach after having a fight with her shit-house boyfriend), had the kind thought of "stealing" a hoodie from her sister's closet so that she would not catch cold.
Thus, in my opinion, Julia may have just discovered that her favorite hoodie has inexplicably disappeared from her closet and (maybe having ascertained in the hallway chat that her mother knows nothing about it) now burst into Sam's room with the certainty that he took it ("Sam, are you fucking kidding me? That's so gross! How many times... do I have to tell you again that you don't have to go through my closet! Where has my favorite hoodie gone? Who did you give it to? Don't ever enter my room again!"). When she later finds out that her favorite hoodie served to warm Ellie up (and maybe it has now soaked up her scent) she will probably quickly blow off her anger and quickly go back to her room to wait for her special friend to visit, but now she's furious especially because her brother dared to enter her room when she was not there (between Julia and Sam I think there are pretty much the same rules that govern the relationship between Ellie and Dylan: Stay out of my bedroom! - in fact after almost a third of the game we practically never saw Ellie's room). At this point it would only remain to be determined how eventually Sam might be able to explain the reason for the disappearance of his sister's hoodie, before she can break into his room and find out what has so far happened with Sophia, but this does not necessarily have to happen... (it would be interesting, although it would be a further thickening of the plot).
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That Neil would tell Julia he saw a bra in Sam's room is perhaps believable for a porn game, but in reality, in my opinion, a father would never react that way. A real father would never betray his son like that. On the contrary, I, for example, would grin and maybe tell my wife in the evening, but definitely not my brother or sister. On the one hand, my children would not forgive me this lack of discretion and on the other hand, I would not want to start a fight among my children, they are already fighting enough. Besides, keeping small secrets and crossing boundaries simply strengthens trust and bonds.
The lack of the hoodie, well, that would be one reason. But why would Julia immediately suspect her brother is odd. That would only make sense if Sam had borrowed Julia's clothes before. What for remains the question. If Sam needed it for masturbation, it would shake the pedestal that L&P built for him. Maybe he just likes to put on women's clothes! :ROFLMAO:
The simplest explanation for me would be, since we know from the Dylan/Amber event that Sam promised to take Julia to her appointment by car, forgot the time and Julia therefore storms into the room and is angry.
 
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That Neil would tell Julia he saw a bra in Sam's room is perhaps believable for a porn game, but in reality, in my opinion, a father would never react that way. A real father would never betray his son like that. On the contrary, I, for example, would grin and maybe tell my wife in the evening, but definitely not my brother or sister. On the one hand, my children would not forgive me this lack of discretion and on the other hand, I would not want to start a fight among my children, they are already fighting enough. Besides, keeping small secrets and crossing boundaries simply strengthens trust and bonds.
The lack of the hoodie, well, that would be one reason. But why would Julia immediately suspect her brother is odd. That would only make sense if Sam had borrowed Julia's clothes before. What for remains the question. If Sam needed it for masturbation, it would shake the pedestal that L&P built for him. Maybe he just likes to put on women's clothes! :ROFLMAO:
The simplest explanation for me would be, since we know from the Dylan/Amber event that Sam promised to take Julia to her appointment by car, forgot the time and Julia therefore storms into the room and is angry.
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Well, my hypothesis (in addition to what we saw the night before) is also based on the (entirely personal) conjecture that Julia, before rushing to Sam's room, nonetheless asked Amber what had happened to her favorite hoodie (as we also saw with Sophia, in AWAM, it's the mothers who have to take care of washing their kids' dirty laundry and therefore they - and only they - have free access to their rooms). Therefore, since her mother knows nothing about it (and since I don't want to believe that Neil may have some reason to take her hoodie), the only one responsible for the "desperate" Julia should be her brother regardless of whether he has ever done anything like this before. What I think should piss Julia off the most is not so much whether she thinks her brother took her hoodie or not, but the certainty that he entered her room when she was not there.
 
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Dan5k74 said:
Well, my hypothesis (in addition to what we saw the night before) is also based on the (entirely personal) conjecture that Julia, before rushing to Sam's room, nonetheless asked Amber what had happened to her favorite hoodie (as we also saw with Sophia, in AWAM, it's the mothers who have to take care of washing their kids' dirty laundry and therefore they - and only they - have free access to their rooms). Therefore, since her mother knows nothing about it (and since I don't want to believe that Neil may have some reason to take her hoodie), the only one responsible for the "desperate" Julia should be her brother regardless of whether he has ever done anything like this before. What I think should piss Julia off the most is not so much whether she thinks her brother took her hoodie or not, but the certainty that he entered her room when she was not there.
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Yes, it is possible. Still, I don't know, if Sam has never done this before, why is she so angry? Of course, if Sam and Julia have the same relationship as Dylan and Elli, then it would be understandable. But we don't know anything about that yet.
 
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Yes, it is possible. Still, I don't know, if Sam has never done this before, why is she so angry? Of course, if Sam and Julia have the same relationship as Dylan and Elli, then it would be understandable. But we don't know anything about that yet.
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I think they do have the same relationship but maybe not to that extent. I remember Sam saying to Sophia that Julia is practicing her stupid ballet lessons so he thinks so little of her to call her hobbies stupid.
 
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I think they do have the same relationship but maybe not to that extent. I remember Sam saying to Sophia that Julia is practicing her stupid ballet lessons so he thinks so little of her to call her hobbies stupid.
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Okay, I'd have to look that up. But if you remember correctly, that would be a good indication of sibling rivalry.
 
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Yes, it is possible. Still, I don't know, if Sam has never done this before, why is she so angry? Of course, if Sam and Julia have the same relationship as Dylan and Elli, then it would be understandable. But we don't know anything about that yet.
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You're right, we don't know anything about the relationship between Sam and his sister Julia, so in the absence of anything that explains a little more about them, I tend to speculate (after all, this is the most practiced pastime around here) that because of age difference and personal experiences Sam and Julia might be likened to Dylan and Ellie (mostly to simplify things a bit). But these are all guesses, conjectures, suppositions, fantasies, as I have said before, attempts (like yours) to explain future events in this game based on past events. Interpret them in this way.
 
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I think someone pointed it out recently, but we are told that the first hetero sex scene is on one of the upcoming playable days, but it doesn't state whether or not this involves Sophia. Really hope this isn't a case of us being told something making us believe it to be true but it ends up happening but from a different pov, a pov we didn't want.

Edit: Actually, the second I sent this I reminded myself that there was already the sex scene regarding Neil and Amber, so perhaps those upcoming events surely have to do with Sophia. But there is still the possibility that this "first hetero sex" scene ends up being oral sex which would be in a way slightly disappointing.
 
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Bishop Robert said:
I think someone pointed it out recently, but we are told that the first hetero sex scene is on one of the upcoming playable days, but it doesn't state whether or not this involves Sophia. Really hope this isn't a case of us being told something making us believe it to be true but it ends up happening but from a different pov, a pov we didn't want.

Edit: Actually, the second I sent this I reminded myself that there was already the sex scene regarding Neil and Amber, so perhaps those upcoming events surely have to do with Sophia. But there is still the possibility that this "first hetero sex" scene ends up being oral sex which would be in a way slightly disappointing.
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I still think this will be the museum boys. It makes pefect sense to have a one night stand without any regrets and alocohol. Otherwise it will not be Dylan, It will not be SAM so it is them or Aiden.
 
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