Bane71

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It would be better if the L&P hadn't publicly announced their pursuit of realism in AWAM!
This obligation seriously burdens him and drives him into some conditional framework, which he should not go beyond!
Which is completely inappropriate when creating a porn game!
Not to mention, it confuses the players, making it difficult for us to understand what we can expect from the game in the future.
Indeed, in fact, reality is so complex and diverse that it is not possible to display it within the framework of some conventional aspirations of the developer, since his boundaries of reality can be much narrower or, on the contrary, wider, which, unfortunately, probably does not apply to L&P.

In general, summing up, unfortunately, one gets the impression, I already repeat myself, I said earlier about this that there will be many disappointed players in the future, whose expectations will not come true ... :(
 

DIRTY FILTHY Animal

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I don’t see Sophia being homeless at all if she gets caught in school I’m sure the principal would just make her have sex with her to keep her job, but if it’s secretly recorded by a student & gets to the media & there forced to fire her & They divorce Im sure Patricia or Allysa would easily take her in.

Also Morello could hire her as cocktail waitress/stripper/escort or she could live with him secretly or at his safehouse
 
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If Sophia continues with Aiden's blackmail, there's no way she doesn't do something in the classroom that would get a teacher fired and blacklisted. It may not necessarily be sex with a student (though I think that's very possible), but I think she'll do something very unethical.

But again, I see sex with Dylan as the absolute point of no return. If she does that, then I think the wheels come off of her life. At that point she's committed to the filthiest route and that's probably going to take her to Aiden's final tasks. In the end, she won't just be on the offenders list because she had sex with a student, but she'll be an class 1 sexual predator because she had sex with one or both of her children.

If the player takes Sophia down the absolutely filthest route possible, I believe she will end up unhireable, without a place to live, alone, friendless and abandoned by her family; including Patricia. That's my prediction.
Blimey - that is bleak!!

I know that L&P is aiming for realism but I am still hoping for some fantasy in my adult VN / games. I hope we don't go quite as dark as you feared.
 

Bill_Buttlicker

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Better than the tortured lives of children who are the products of mother-son incest. My post was meant as humourous, after all the Dylan stuff we've had to take. I don't hate Dylan but so what either way? Who really cares? Yes, I enjoy blackmail in these games. I refuse to be kink-shamed for this. It's not "torture porn" & is not even close. If fantasy can't be present in these games, what's the point of them? Porn is a fairy story for adults & just as in children's fairy tales, there's behaviour which would be intolerable in everyday life. That the blackmail stories in AWAM are under attack from so many angles, I think indicates that they should never have been included in the first place but if they're present, I'm going to follow them. My view is that L&P should have the courage of his convictions, or remove them ASAP. I'm quite capable of looking elsewhere to find this type of stuff but why should I? AWAM is the main game for me, even though I hate it at times.

If you check earlier posts by me you'll see that I even came up with a Sophia/Dylan liaison which could, I think, have been acceptable to various POVs, including mine. (Much as I've just read from yourself in this very thread). Anyway, I got your facepalm.... didn't appreciate it. I must have touched a raw nerve? Imagine, if you will, that the incest was under the same attack & beset with the doubts that afflict the blackmail scenarios. This thread would go as crazy as it does after every update. You can guess the rest.
Didn't appreciate my facepalm? Gee must have touched a raw nerve :LUL:
 

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So sure this has been discussed already in this thread but well page 2585, so take a lot to go through and find.

I'm curious what people think is going to happen on the side jobs (tutoring+old folks home) and how it happens?

Also, anyone heard of anything from L&P on these?
 

Bane71

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So sure this has been discussed already in this thread but well page 2585, so take a lot to go through and find.

I'm curious what people think is going to happen on the side jobs (tutoring+old folks home) and how it happens?

Also, anyone heard of anything from L&P on these?
Personally, I am interested in both options, although the second part-time job is more exciting. As for the L&P, Old dog published the opinion of the L&P that for him the second part-time job is something personal. I think it must be something hot enough. )) We'll see soon!
 

ancienregimele

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Didn't appreciate my facepalm? Gee must have touched a raw nerve :LUL:
I knew that was coming & almost edited it out but I thought, well, it's what I'm thinking, so I just left it. My point & question about what if incest was under siege like blackmail has been for over a year, is still valid. [I think the wider society outside of the porn game forums would find both to be repulsive].
 

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It's definitely extreme, but I don't think it's crazy. How else can it end for someone who has sex with their children, possibly students, and has been fully corrupted? She can't just go back to a normal life. She can't be a wife or mother because Liam will leave her and she won't be allowed near her children. L&P is trying really hard to make a "realistic" game, and he's taking the idea of incest very seriously. I think too many games throw it around lightly, but AWAM seems to be treating it with the weight that it deserves.
For me the problem of this game is that it’s trying to be “realistic”, but it’s still have to stay enjoyable.
In real life, incest happens in family with low iq, secluded, that have some addiction to alcohol or drugs . Most of the time it’s an uncle, a cousin or a grandpa forcing himself on a young kid .
The only testimony I heard from a guy who had “sex” with his mother was of someone who was beaten, rape and treated less than a worm by said mother.
Ok. But what about the royal families of Europe ? They have engaged in incest relationship for centuries after all.
Yes, exactly. They have been doing it for centuries. Nothing strange at all for them.
Why do they do that ? To preserve their bloodline.
What the common point between all those situations and the story of AWAM? Nothing.
Why ? Because who would want to read the story of an alcoholic mother beating the crap out of her children while forcing herself on them...
So here we are in AWAM with a super sexy mother , well educated ,smart ( unless a certain situation needs to happen in the plot and she’s suddenly super dumb) , married for 20 years with what appears to be an almost perfect life, super conservative on the sexual side.
Wow. There is no way she would engage in anything incestual with that kind of background. Some crazy shit must have happened for it to be remotely realistic...

“Mom , I don’t have a girlfriend, I don’t know how to speak to women... can you show me your boobs ?
“What ?! No I can’t do that... I’m sorry but a mother is not supposed to show her boobs to her son. I’m really sorry...
“Dylan sad ”
“Oh my god!!! My son is sad!!! I will now engage in perfectly realistic situations with him...
Like : “ Can I feel the fabric of your bra?”
Or “My son just grabbed my ass ... I wonder if that kind of behavior is normal... how should I know ? It’s not like I was a 37 old married woman, mother of 2 , a teacher of high school students... I have no idea what pass for acceptable in this world...”
But not just with Dylan, with Ellie too:
“Mom ! That’s not fair ! How come you have French-kissed Patricia and not me?!?”
“(I don’t know... maybe because I was drunk, playing a role, exhausted after a long day, and because I loose a bet...) your arguments have convinced me Ellie. Let’s kiss !”


Joking aside , why does Dylan act like what he do with his mom perfectly normal ?
Because who would enjoy a story with a son being weirded out by his own comportement, questioning what’s wrong with himself and falling in deep depression? Nah he’s just horny, that’s perfectly normal...

Why does the son is doing the “corruption ” and not the other way around ?
Because who would want to follow a crazy mom trying to fuck her own children with them being disgusted by her comportement ?
It’s much more enjoyable to have the underdog virgin son corrupting the mom . It’s more satisfying.

Why does Sophia accept so easily their demands and is so forgiving of any wrongdoing on their part ? Most mother would die for their children. It doesn’t mean that they would accept everything from them.
Does Sophia was supposed to have a 3rd Child and she lost it in a miscarriage ? Or maybe a terrible accident where both her children were between life and death ? Something to explain her attitude...
Nah she just “really love her children ” .

Why does Dylan has a dick twice the size of his dad?
Because who would want to follow a story where the husband has the biggest dick and the son can’t even satisfy her as well as him ?
It’s much more satisfying when the son will fuck his mom while Sophia will be thinking how much Dylan is bigger than is dad, how much better, how she can’t feel any satisfaction anymore from Liam ‘s dick, and bla-bla-bla...

Why does Dylan after the yoga event is thinking something like :
“ I know that it’s wrong but I would really like to have a threesome with mom and Patricia ”
The same Dylan who has masturbated multiple times to his mom, is constantly pursuing her to show him her boobs, has grabbed her ass (and boobs depending on your route) multiple times , has “surprised“ kiss her on the lips, used her feet to rub his dick, etc has suddenly some sort of morality, and apparently knows that what he’s thinking about is wrong.
Because it’s necessary that an author remind from time to time the audience that their characters have some doubts about their own actions or thought, but will follow their urges regardless of the consequences. Them braking their own taboos is much more satisfying.
And it doesn’t matter if those same characters have never expressed a shadow of a doubt or regret or normal sense of morality before.
And after all because that’s what the protagonist is supposed to say in those kind of game.

Alright my bath is cold, so let’s wrap things up.
For me, realistically speaking, Sophia/Dylan incest storyline should have stopped the moment Dylan grabbed Sophia ass on the swing.

If they end up fucking and if the game was realistic, even if they don’t get caught, there’s no way that Sophia would just have fond memories of the times where she was fucking her son , let alone leave the rest of her life with him. She should have some guilt, regret. Something like that would break her psyche , her sense of morality.
But does L&p want to end his game on a realistic note or an enjoyable one ?
 

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Skimming through the comments seeing a lot of end game talk, surely not right?. I have not played it for a while but is there any sex scenes yet or is it just still or teasing?
 
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Skimming through the comments seeing a lot of end game talk, surely not right?. I have not played it for a while but is there any sex scenes yet or is it just still or teasing?
There are sex scenes with the husband on the GoodWife route & also some sexy situations/events in other routes, just not full-on sex. End of game talk occurs because we fans choose to fill the interminable waiting between updates with speculations, wishes, likes & dislikes, debates & arguments etc. It's not really worth worrying too much about the actual end of the game, because it's years away.
 
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Lockyn87

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There are sex scenes with the husband on the GoodWife route & also some sexy situations/events in other routes, just not full-on sex. End of game talk occurs because we fans choose to fill the interminable waiting between updates with speculations, wishes, likes & dislikes, debates & arguments etc. It's not really worth worrying too much about the actual end of the game, because it's years away.
Thanks for that, Glad to know its not ending anytime soon. I wanna know who actually is playing ( if anyone ) the good wife route.
 

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:unsure: I want to note that this is very realistic (sarcasm), if a lady whose spouse owes the mafia a lot of money once visits the prisoner, the brother of the mafia boss, then in this case it is no longer the family of debtors who owes the mafia, but on the contrary, the mafia will solve the problems of debtors! If so, then in this case, this is not a porn game, but a comedy game!
80% of AWAM is a comedy game
 

Bane71

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Thanks for that, Glad to know its not ending anytime soon. I wanna know who actually is playing ( if anyone ) the good wife route.
I haven't played the Good Wife route before, for the first time in 2021, just tired of waiting for updates. Because of this expectation, I have probably already covered all the routes.
The "Good Wife" has not only sex scenes, but full sex with her husband and some extravagant scenes, as well as hints of possible experiments with her husband in sex in the future.
Probable sex with someone other than her husband, at this stage only in the form of hints. What will happen, we can only guess))
 

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why can't i reach dylan 16 point? i have tried it again and again but still cant fing the problem......if anyone of you know it pliz tell me ..
 

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He did and this is the only post that I could find
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I remember watching a Hentai years back which has a premise similar to this storyline. It was known as the "forbidden time". If the story is anything like what was in there it will definitely further Sophia's moral degeneration and be one of the best storylines, of course trusting L&P skills, it should work cause the Hentai lacked a huge amount of logic
 
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Liam only assumed they were showering together because initially Dylan was in the other bathroom. He has no idea they had a masturbation class or even kiss and fondle each other. If he did then I think he would care. So they have not been caught like you think they have. It would be no different than Liam and Dylan showering together like in a gym shower. That's all Liam thinks it is.

However you and some others seem to think the worst possible ending is coming for Sophia the dirty wife just because L&P says he wants to make the game realistic. As I said the realism could be the reasons why Sophia decides to engage with Dylan on a sexual level and the ending could still have a happy outcome. For example, she constantly engages him to help with his confidence and ultimately sleeps with him to show him how to please a woman while also giving him the self-esteem to become a man. However once completed, even though she enjoyed it, Sophia decides they can never do this again, while Dylan finally realizes he doesn't need to rely on his mom anymore to be able to pursue other women. They both share a special bond over what they did but both move on while never telling anyone else what happened. Also the good wife route doesn't necessarily have to have a happy ending. Going that route Liam could get an overdose of being cocky since Sophia remained loyal and trusting to him while helping out with the debt he caused. Once paid off he decides to do something even more stupid and goes back to Morello, gives him the finger and says "Fuck you asshole my debt is gone" and walks away. The next day Liam never makes it home and the police find his severed head lying on the beach. But hey it's a happy ending. Yay!

My point is don't assume the worst for being a filthy wife just because the word "realism" is attached to the game description.
I imagine the game is going to have something like 3-6 endings. I don't think any one of those endings will necessarily be the "best" ending because that will be subjective to each player. But I do think that there will be one ending that clearly has the most negative outcomes for Sophia. I think each player values different aspects and ideas of the game, so it makes sense that an ending that one player thinks is "perfect" is not for another player. But, I think we'll end up all agreeing on one ending being the worst for her.

That said, while I think having sex with Dylan will be the point of no return, I don't think it by itself will lock the player into this worst case scenario. While I personally don't think the idea is realistic, I could see L&P including an idea like the one you suggest. I believe that there will be a series of fail safes put in place toward the end of the game that will very clearly indicate that the player is making monumental decisions that will impact the ending. If Sophia decides (or doesn't have enough points) against having sex with Dylan, maybe endings 1 through 3 are still open to her. If she does have sex with Dylan, maybe those endings are locked out, but endings 4 through 6 are still available. If the player follows your idea, maybe Sophia and Dylan have sex once, and that narrows the endings down to either numbers 4 or 5. But, if you do choose to continue a relationship with Dylan, maybe then you get locked in to that 6th ending.

All of this is a bit simplistic of course. Certainly the relationships with Ellie and others will play a critical role in determining your ending. If you choose for Sophia to sleep with everyone under the sun except Dylan, I don't think Sophia gets away scott-free. And if the only person she sleeps with is Dylan, you may not get the worst possible outcome. But I do believe strongly that sex with Dylan is the number one critical hinge on which the entire game will pivot. Sophia may be able to balance Ellie, Julie, Patricia, Zach, Sam, Aiden, Morello, and Liam because the game is already locking us out with mutually exclusive storylines. But Dylan looms over everything if you haven't sent him away to boarding school.

In my scenario, I can see Sophia choosing to have sex with Dylan some time around playable day 20 (I think I mentioned this in an earlier post- I'll look for it). If she chooses yes, then I think it opens her up to finishing Aiden's last tasks. She doesn't have to accept these tasks, but she may not even get the choice unless she sleeps with Dylan because she'll need the extra filthy points. As Sophia completes Aiden's last few tasks, at some point she will have to make another decision about Dylan. If she hasn't accepted Aiden's tasks, the game may not allow the player to choose to continue with Dylan, but if the player has accepted Aiden's tasks then you can choose to continue with Dylan. Meanwhile the other storylines are continuing. This leads the game down the classic porn game path where Sophia is so unbelievably corrupted that she has lost all inhibition. By day 28, it is very possible that Sophia is carrying on some sort of sexual relationship with Ellie & Julie or Alyssa, Patricia, Dylan, Aiden(or other students), and Morello. If even half of that list is correct, that's staggering. I just don't see how you can write a compelling ending where anyone is happy in this scenario. It will be up to the player to keep Sophia's relationships in check, otherwise she risks it all.

Note- I listed Patricia, but I actually don't believe that she'll be an active sexual partner late in the game if you follow the filthiest route. I believe that Patricia, as Sophia's sister, will be the character that tries to reverse course away from the filthiest route. While Patricia is definitely a corrupting influencing, I don't think she wants to sabotage Sophia's life. If it reaches a point where Sophia is carrying on an affair with Ellie, Dylan, and others, I think Patricia will act as a narrative device to warn the player that their current path has extreme consequences.

In the end, I don't think the game is going to trick anyone into the saddest ending. You're going to need to go out of your way to ignore the warnings in order to get it.

And I agree that I think it would be cheap for a strictly Good Wife route to end with the happily ever after ending- it's too cliche.

Edit- I originally said that full intercourse with Dylan would happen between days 24 and 27. I'll amend that here to move it up a little to days 22 through 25.
 
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