VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[nexer]

I won't go into details, but I'm most likely going to be getting a sizeable inheritance in the upcoming year, and I'm thinking about doing the whale thing, contacting this guy, and offering to outright pay the ransom for a Sam sex scene.

Three things would be interesting, IMO:
1. Dylan catching Ellie with Sophia.
2. Dylan with Patricia
3. Aiden and Andre groping Sophia during class in the back.
That would be 3 pretty kinky situations

 

[Alley_Cat]

L&p delete this render, not conformed to her standard

His standard. L&P is male

 

[t3alqdansam]

Time for my update.

The "Good":
Content wise I didn't really have any problems with this update. We got EXACTLY what we expected. Natalie had the most progress, which we called; Sam had significant progress, which we called; and Andy & Cathy want to swing, which we called. The images were, as always, gorgeous.

The "Bad":
This update was incredibly tedious to get through, and the writing was awful. The writing was full of typos/syntax/localization errors. The dialog continues to be extremely stilted and rigidly formal. I don't feel like any character sounds unique because they're all so stilted. Yes, Sam talks about different things than Natalie, but the words and style of their dialog is all the same. And it's all sooooo tedious. By the time I got to the scene with Sam in the sauna, even I started to skip over some dialog. It just goes on...and on...and on....it's exhausting. It isn't fun and it isn't interesting, it's self indulgent by L&P who definitely doesn't believe that brevity is the soul of wit. L&P definitely abides by a philosophy of "more is more".

And that philosophy bleeds into the images. There are sooo many images. Too many images. You click and click and click and click and nothing happens. It takes FOREVER to progress through a scene. You're bombarded with tedious dialog and a thousand images that need to be clicked through. The game would actually flow significantly better if the number of images were reduced by 20% and the text reduced by 30%.


Sam:
I found the dialog so distracting that I don't really know what to make of Sam. I can't tell if L&P is trying to write him as a cringey, creepy, pompous weirdo; or if L&P thinks that he's writing Sam as a sincere and charming love struck kid. Maybe it's because I'm a woman and my experiences are very different from a man like L&P, but guys like Sam exist and they're always giant red flags. Young guys who think they're great at sweet talking like this often grow into poorly adjusted men who think that talking to a woman must consist of one-liners and platitudes. They'll recite poetry, and the LOVE to talk about music. So as I play the Sam scenes I'm not sure if I should find him creepy or if his bullshit is supposed to work well.

Sophia:

This leads me to Sophia herself. I really think that her corruption is moving along well and makes sense, but the Sam stuff pushes the lines of suspension of disbelief. When I tried to shut Sam down I didn't get feedback from Sophia that she was creeped out, just that she thought the situation was going too far. If Sophia had said "Ok, Sam is a creep, I need to shut this down" I may have stuck with those decisions. But every time you allow him to go further Sophia justifies it and admits that she likes what she's hearing, so that tells me that the game wants us to think Sam is charming. As I've said a million times, Day 12 is going to be remembered as the day that the game really picked up steam story wise. If there was a major missed opportunity, it was Sophia not letting Natalie get her off. Considering the situation I think it would have been totally in-character for Sophia to either say yes, or for Natalie to just go for it. L&P is too addicted to the slow burn that he's too quick to smother any embers of fire, and in this case it was a mistake. It would have been great story-wise to actually advance Sophia's sexuality. L&P could have reeled it back in, maybe the postman comes and interupts them and Sophia snaps out of it, but at least we would have seen Sophia take a major step forward in her sexuality instead of a baby step.

Cathy & Andy:
In theory I'm totally fine with this scene, but in practice it just felt tacked on to the update. I liked that it was, relatively, brief and got right to the point. But the dialog absolutely ruined it. It was so fucking painful to get through. It wasn't sexy, it wasn't fun, it wasn't anything other than tedious. It was fine that Sophia and Liam didn't have an answer right away, but nothing about the dialog showed me that these four are old friends who are really close, it all just felt really forced. I like that L&P didn't take 500 images with this scene, and that it was brief, but how he chose to make it brief was the problem. We needed more flirting, more fun, better banter, etc. And, god help me, the images were too static. I know I know, I bitch about the number of images in the update, but this scene either needs a couple more, or it needed different ones. The images were just too boring and didn't help tell a compelling story. It reminded me of the sauna scene with Vicky and DeShawn, just boring back and forth static images; only the sauna scene was hotter. Overall, this scene with Cathy & Andy needed more work.

Overall:

I give this update 3 out of 5 stars. It was fine. Nothing special. Not terrible. The main problem is that it just takes too long for these updates to come out and they can never justify the time.

Spoiler: thought

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[crabboid]

Three things would be interesting, IMO:
1. Dylan catching Ellie with Sophia.
2. Dylan with Patricia
3. Aiden and Andre groping Sophia during class in the back.
That would be 3 pretty kinky situations

I don't know, personally, the incest stuff doesn't really do anything for me. I've rebuffed all the creepy advances from Dylan up to this point specifically for that reason. To each their own, though. I'm definitely not one to knock others for what they're into.

 

[t3alqdansam]

Was just wondering does he have to get permission to use Van Halen’s & Guns n Roses music in his game? I know it was just the instrumental cover of their songs, but other games that use music is not main stream commercial rock

His source is the interesting part. Is it their work or another artists? I am pretty sure, if he is using original material, he is hoping they never discover it. Both groups have excellent lawyers and the cease and desist / give me all your money for using our stuff w/out license would not stop at the EU or German borders. Yes, on this his ass could hang in the proverbial breeze.

 

[t3alqdansam]

Is there any way we can do the swinging scene but have Liam tied up, in a chastity cage while our main character does both Cathy and Andy, then have Liam walk home?

go to the fan art thread and ask. You may be surprised. pleasantly so.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

His standard. L&P is male

Male? Not lust&pussy?
Fail

 

[globsis]

hooray. finished flipping through the forum. can anyone comment on the event at the bar? is there a feeling that the event has been shortened? I have a question - why was there so much noise around Sam's concert if nothing happened at it? the concert was just a fork in the road for choosing who to go home with?
P.S. I demand the continuation of the banquet!

 

[nexer]

I don't know, personally, the incest stuff doesn't really do anything for me. I've rebuffed all the creepy advances from Dylan up to this point specifically for that reason. To each their own, though. I'm definitely not one to knock others for what they're into.

But you're with Cougar/Milf. It's a game, Dylan is the youngster and Sophia/Patricia are two gorgeous cougars

I personally play all the scenes, follow the corruption in all directions.
I'll have to play Cathy's route too, Andy shares his wife before the wedding. Why do they have to get married?

 

[bluedrakken]

what a big letdown...

 

[t3alqdansam]

Seems a bit hipocrytical after writing quite a lenghty review yourself ;-

Good to see a honest detailed review. I just want to point out that the ammount of text and imgaes that are a negative in your eyes, can be greatly apreciated and something that someone else enjoys. Me for that matter.
So as you see it comes down to individual preferance.

As for the sappy romantic, artistic-esque depiction of Sam-Sophia romance story - I am not a fan of it myself personaly, but it is what it is, and always has been the theme of their relationship. We just hape to accept that all diffrent storylines will have diffrent themes. Which means Sophia reactions in them will probably be inconsistant.

Sophia that happily allows old wringkled grandpas to manhandle her, submits to blackmail by schoolkid, and pursues multiple lesbian affairs, cannot have a consistant personality. We have to suspend our disbelieve and kind of think of Sophia in each storyline as a slightly diffrent woman. This is the price of apealing to a wide audiance of viewers, some of which enjoy an unrealistic exalted romance story, and some who want to see her have dirty rough sex with strangers.

So your point is to insult someone else right off the bat for a well reasoned review, done once, while you have done multiples and they are the windbag. Yep, lost me there. Lose your little snark and you almost had something. Almost, your very thesis shuts you down: 'Each persons point of view' yet you deny any that don't fit your view while claiming you have an expansive view. Clearly NOT!. Really!

 

[Alley_Cat]

Male? Not lust&pussy?
Fail

Yep. His real name even got leaked a while back.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

I agree mostly on everything. As a non native speaker I cannot comment much on the quality of the writing (except maybe the typos and the syntax) but I too felt the dialogues were a little bit under par wrt the usual and not much captivating.

And once again, for the significant events (Nathalie, Sam, Cathy) I had the same feeling I had for the last release. I felt that the dialogues and more in general the interactions between the characterd stepped up too quickly, leaving a sort of feeling of "did I miss something?". I had this feeling for the old gents and in part aiden's and dylan's event. I'm talking really at the beginning of each event. The interactions, the way to speak were not "familiar" or in line with what happened so far with the character in question.
For the old gents, e.g., it was obviously because it was the first time we actually saw them interacting with Sophia and it was weird to see that they were already at that level of interaction/confidence. Once the tone was set it was fine but that step was not trivial for me.

In a similar way here with Nathalie the sudden dominatrix vibe that she sets right from the beginning was a bit disconcerting for me. I mean I liked the event a lot, but this abrupt beginning was a bit odd to me at first, maybe it could have been ramped up a little bit more gradually. Like e.g. Nathalie changing into something more comfortable felt a bit rushed, to the point that you wonder how Sophia does not find it odd.
That being said, call me crazy but I liked that there was no nudity. I found it a lot more erotic this way. The climax could be a missed opportunity but maybe it was too much. As you said maybe instead of the abrupt interruption, she could have gone for it and then the postman interrupted.

The same for Sam and the sudden bold way he started to interact with Sophia before and after the concert. Ok he was pumped up by the concert and all but still I really felt a sort of sudden step.
And yes the suspension of disbelief in Sam event was strong, for the cheesy dialogues and also for the underwater scene. The realism there was really on a thin line, no way that he could not be seen... (but I don't want to start a discussion of the physics of it! )

For Cathy's event I also felt it was kind of rushed. I think you already made this remark for another past event, here is a bit the same. We had few sentences to set the context:

Spoiler: setting up cathy's event

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Here maybe a few dialogues with the couples, e.g., remembering a past event, even without many details, would have helped (IMO) to better give the reader an insight of the relationship they had, rather than just describe them. I mean nothing complicated or too long, just few exchanges would have give a better "immersion" in the scene.

I don't know if it was just me that had these feelings, obviously the corruption has to progress and I think this PD made a hell of work in this direction. But let's say that, personally, I'd prefer a ramp rather than a sudden bump.

See maybe your comment "the interactions between the characters stepped up too quickly" reflects that L&P has listened to criticism of previous updates. Have said before after both the morning and afternoon updates for Events Day 19 / Playable Day 12, that there does feel as if there has been a ramping up of sexual activities over the last three updates. We have had:

Spoiler: PD12

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Yes it won't satisfy those who want to see Sophia fuck every person introduced in the VN. But it is definitely accelerated.
I have said before the danger is for L&P to do that and accelerate the sexual acts, without losing what had made the story so special beforehand.

Also have said before it is more effective to show and not tell. You are right. Rather than L&P telling us that they swapped reminisces of past events and that sexual tensions had been rising, it would have been better to spend a few more renders (maybe 10-15 renders) showing these past events and us seeing that all four characters (i.e. not just Sophia) were getting more sexually excited from the swapping of tales bygone,

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

The call from Morello was strange. Somehow it occurred to me that one could stand here at a crossroads. If you accept Morello's help with Aiden, Aiden's path ends but a route with the Mafia opens up. If you let it go, Aiden continues and Morello closes. But that's only a very, very vague assumption.

Yeah - I am surprised and even slightly suspicious, that the debt was foregone so quickly after relatively such little things that Sophia did for Larry. I will forgive that if there are more to come in future days - despite his protestations that he (Don Morello) was happily married, he certainly still seemed interested in Sophia.

 

[theEmirate43]

"This is a story telling game! Not a sex game! Don't expect sex!"

The story: 2/10
The writing: 3/10
English: 1/10
Quality of scenes: 8/10

The dev had enough time and resources to create a better update, he failed to deliver. By what I saw him write on the Patreon, he really indeed plans to finish this game in 2026. We all joke about it, but in his own words: "this is a 30 day series! we are at day 13!". This dude is milking this game more than Rockstar is milking GTA5 lmao.

Stop defending him, you won't earn anything that way. He deserves the criticism and the ones that pay him need to reconsider if it is worth it. Give credit where credit is due but do not forget to criticize too. This "game" has been out for 4+ years and we haven't reached anywhere.

 

[Angmir]

That's exactly why a good story and writing is crucial to keep the players interested. That's basically what turns a braindead porn game into an interesting adult VN, and a bunch of VN's out there have been able to do exactly that. Nobody wants to see Sophia banging everything that moves in every single update, but an adult VN with a corruption path that has literally 0 sex scenes after more than 4 years of development certainly is doing something wrong if you ask me.



Sorry to say, but if it truly took you 6 hours to reach playable day 4, the word slow reader would be an understatement. Even if you were to study every single render thoroughly, it shouldn't take you THAT long. I'm guessing you're just overexaggerating to bring your point across.

No I did not egzagerate, and I dont think I am particularly slow reader, this is how long it took me.
Yes it was not the 6 hours of sitting in front of PC doing nothing else but that, so if you put it like that, it would probably take less about time 3-4 hours.
But it is not the point. I wasn't trying to mislead anyone, just be informative. I wasn't speed reading it, but rather enjoying it as I relaxed after work, interupted by other things.
The point is - the game is nothing but short, and if you actively read through it all, it cannot be easly compleated over a single sitting. Not even accounting for replayability - as this game starts to truely branch out, with compleatly diffrent events avaliable on 2nd playthrough. Certainly this is one of the biggest games here in terms of text/unique renders. (that is just my assesment - dont have the data to prove it in front of me - can be wrong !)

 

[Bobby Boucher™]

Why is this game popular?

From what I’ve gathered once you get past the unlimited blueball talk and the defenders of the said blue balling. It’s practically every other female protagonist game ever created a lonely needy housewife that slowly gets corrupted, emphasis on the slow part.

 

[Bishop Robert]

So are we now in the phase where we get small updates of events when L&P completes them?

 

[Stephanie98]

"This is a story telling game! Not a sex game! Don't expect sex!"

The story: 2/10
The writing: 3/10
English: 1/10
Quality of scenes: 8/10

The dev had enough time and resources to create a better update, he failed to deliver. By what I saw him write on the Patreon, he really indeed plans to finish this game in 2026. We all joke about it, but in his own words: "this is a 30 day series! we are at day 13!". This dude is milking this game more than Rockstar is milking GTA5 lmao.

Stop defending him, you won't earn anything that way. He deserves the criticism and the ones that pay him need to reconsider if it is worth it. Give credit where credit is due but do not forget to criticize too. This "game" has been out for 4+ years and we haven't reached anywhere.

interesting to see freebies file a complaints to something they didn't pay for

 

[theEmirate43]

interesting to see freebies file a complaints to something they didn't pay for

What made you think I would write a post that long if I was a freebie? Are you paying for it? Are you satisfied with what your money got you? Yes? You are lying to yourself