VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[jamdan]

A simpler story is always easier than a more complex one. This game, and others, have a lot of overlap in routes and characters. You don't need multiple routes or characters that do the same thing or serve the same purpose. Instead, you can have roughly the same amount of content, just add the excess Characters/routes to more solidified and purposeful ones. Characters should have depth and having depth means they can serve multiple different roles, if needed.

Do we really need 2 side-jobs? No. Instead of having 2 different routes, just do one side-job and double it's content. The side-jobs are especially wasteful as it's obvious L&P made them to cover the young/old fetishes. Idea: Sophia's own father needs help, maybe she takes Dylan or Ellie to help her care for him. That alone would serve practically the same purpose as the old man side job. She can teach her own kids sex ed. She doesn't need to be manipulated by a few horny 12yr old's. Adding 1 character and eliminating 5. Yet maintaining roughly the same content.

Do we really need multiple blackmail routes? No. Condense them into one or two routes and make them more distinct. Dylan doesn't need to go to boarding school. Not only is it not needed, it stalls Dylan's route. Pick 1 school blackmailer, give them different blackmail material, and pick one out of school blackmailer.

Do we really need all the sets of friends? No. As before, combine the roles into a couple sets of friends instead of half a dozen. Sofia/Ellie and Dylan all have multiple friends.

Do we really need the random side-characters like the college kids or whoever else? No. Same as above, pick the best ones or even better give their content to the mains. I'd much rather have a Dylan/Sam/Sofia/Patricia museum tour than the college kids stuff.

My magic wand character eliminator: (going off the character sheet in the OP)

Carl - His role goes to nobody as he is irrelevant.
Nat - Yes, I did it. Replace her role with Julia.
Janitor dude - His shower goes to Mr. Bennett, who is still a blackmailer.
Aiden + his friends - Their role is taken by Bennett.
Ellie's friends besides Christine - Their roles are taken by Julia.
College guys - Their roles go to Dylan and Sam.
The Fitness instructors + fitness guys - Their roles are filled by Ellie + Patricia Dylan and Sam
Logan - Ellie doesn't need a BF, she's got her momma. If she has to, Sam can fill this role.
Side job # 1 - See above
Side job #2 - See above
Park hobo's and thugs - All gone, by. Replace their screen time with a new event for a main character.

And that's not even half of them, the list is out of date.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

You could say the same about Bennett as well since his story was cut short and Neil is on his forever vacation

Not that I'm complaining, but Neil and Amber would have made a lot of sense to keep in the story. They're neighbors, and the tension (especially with Neil) could have made for some easy conflict to drive the story. I would have traded the two of them for the first side job easily. I also would have traded them for the hairdresser and her daughter.

 

[Old Dog]

Not that I'm complaining, but Neil and Amber would have made a lot of sense to keep in the story. They're neighbors, and the tension (especially with Neil) could have made for some easy conflict to drive the story. I would have traded the two of them for the first side job easily. I also would have traded them for the hairdresser and her daughter.

L&P is working on "The greatest story ever told"
We all know how passionate he is about the side jobs so it would take a major event to happen for him to drop either of them

 

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L&P is working on "The greatest story ever told"
We all know how passionate he is about the side jobs so it would take a major event to happen for him to drop either of them

Including the one where he renders a 3D VN?

 

[YoungJack]

anyone know where i can find

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[ruhamuo]

A simpler story is always easier than a more complex one. This game, and others, have a lot of overlap in routes and characters. You don't need multiple routes or characters that do the same thing or serve the same purpose. Instead, you can have roughly the same amount of content, just add the excess Characters/routes to more solidified and purposeful ones. Characters should have depth and having depth means they can serve multiple different roles, if needed.

Do we really need 2 side-jobs? No. Instead of having 2 different routes, just do one side-job and double it's content. The side-jobs are especially wasteful as it's obvious L&P made them to cover the young/old fetishes. Idea: Sophia's own father needs help, maybe she takes Dylan or Ellie to help her care for him. That alone would serve practically the same purpose as the old man side job. She can teach her own kids sex ed. She doesn't need to be manipulated by a few horny 12yr old's. Adding 1 character and eliminating 5. Yet maintaining roughly the same content.

Do we really need multiple blackmail routes? No. Condense them into one or two routes and make them more distinct. Dylan doesn't need to go to boarding school. Not only is it not needed, it stalls Dylan's route. Pick 1 school blackmailer, give them different blackmail material, and pick one out of school blackmailer.

Do we really need all the sets of friends? No. As before, combine the roles into a couple sets of friends instead of half a dozen. Sofia/Ellie and Dylan all have multiple friends.

Do we really need the random side-characters like the college kids or whoever else? No. Same as above, pick the best ones or even better give their content to the mains. I'd much rather have a Dylan/Sam/Sofia/Patricia museum tour than the college kids stuff.

My magic wand character eliminator: (going off the character sheet in the OP)

Carl - His role goes to nobody as he is irrelevant.
Nat - Yes, I did it. Replace her role with Julia.
Janitor dude - His shower goes to Mr. Bennett, who is still a blackmailer.
Aiden + his friends - Their role is taken by Bennett.
Ellie's friends besides Christine - Their roles are taken by Julia.
College guys - Their roles go to Dylan and Sam.
The Fitness instructors + fitness guys - Their roles are filled by Ellie + Patricia Dylan and
Logan - Ellie doesn't need a BF, she's got her momma. If she has to, Sam can fill this role.
Side job # 1 - See above
Side job #2 - See above
Park hobo's and thugs - All gone, by. Replace their screen time with a new event for a main character.

And that's not even half of them, the list is out of date.

Your opinion is what makes this game just like any other dumb porn game with no personality.

 

[TomUK]

anyone know where i can find

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?

Yes, you got to turn down the first side job and take the second one.

 

[ancienregimele]

Reading all of the above posts regarding the story direction & huge ensemble cast, there are many good points made. Knowing what we do about the likely fate of AWAM, if nothing changes, or as seems possible development actually grinds ever more slowly, it seems that we keep turning in an ever-decreasing circle.

There are many studies of what factors create real motivation for change but in RL work, change is generally imposed from above. As that's not possible in this case, or perhaps even desirable if it was, the next issue would logically be a question of what would truly motivate the Dev to change? Many of us have made suggestions, (usually well-meaning), knowing that they would almost certainly be ignored.

There is zero chance of a mass desertion by paying patrons, which would in any case be a self-defeating proposition, if this was permanent. There have been cases of football (soccer) clubs where supporters have targeted specific games to stay away from, thus indicating to the rich & powerful that continued support was conditional upon various changes being implemented. Such efforts have had mixed success/results but they certainly got senior figures' attention. It's one radical measure that came to mind but would probably be a non-starter, especially from a pirate's POV.

All I can think of in the short term is to try to activate L&P's interest in polls, as in which stories should be combined, which characters should fade out, etc? There should be a way to harness L&P's desire to continue the VN, while making a good living, in tandem with the fan's wish for the game to continue but to speed up & not be abandoned.

I say there should be but this is where I would ask the assembled Committee, or whatever, to come up with ideas. I wish I had some more but I don't at this point & also have no wish to decrease the circle even further. Another obvious thing to do would be to just give it the old "que sera, sera", which is also used as an ironic football chant btw.

 

[NathanSlayer]

Whats the changelog for the upcoming update?

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Reading all of the above posts regarding the story direction & huge ensemble cast, there are many good points made. Knowing what we do about the likely fate of AWAM, if nothing changes, or as seems possible development actually grinds ever more slowly, it seems that we keep turning in an ever-decreasing circle.

There are many studies of what factors create real motivation for change but in RL work, change is generally imposed from above. As that's not possible in this case, or perhaps even desirable if it was, the next issue would logically be a question of what would truly motivate the Dev to change? Many of us have made suggestions, (usually well-meaning), knowing that they would almost certainly be ignored.

There is zero chance of a mass desertion by paying patrons, which would in any case be a self-defeating proposition, if this was permanent. There have been cases of football (soccer) clubs where supporters have targeted specific games to stay away from, thus indicating to the rich & powerful that continued support was conditional upon various changes being implemented. Such efforts have had mixed success/results but they certainly got senior figure's attention. It's one radical measure that came to mind but would probably be a non-starter, especially from a pirate's POV.

All I can think of in the short term is to try to activate L&P's interest in polls, as in which stories should be combined, which characters should fade out, etc? There should be a way to harness L&P's desire to continue the VN, while making a good living, in tandem with the fan's wish for the game to continue but to speed up & not be abandoned.

I say there should be but this is where I would ask the assembled Committee, or whatever, to come up with ideas. I wish I had some more but I don't at this point & also have no wish to decrease the circle even further. Another obvious thing to do would be to just give it the old "que sera, sera", which is also used as an ironic football chant btw.

I've made my peace with the fact that there's nothing we can say that influences L&P at all. The only thing that influences L&P are his patrons, or if there's such incredibly blowback that people report his game.

At this point L&P is too big on Patreon for even his patrons to have much influence. If we use someone like Icstor as an example, once you reach a certain size you can do absolutely anything and the support never drops. I'm not saying L&P is the same as Icstor, because he absolutely isn't, but if a scam artist like Icstor can keep growing despite putting out literally nothing of substance for over two years, then L&P will never see his numbers decline. He may not be as big as Icstor, but he's big enough that it doesn't matter. His Patreon is now a self sustaining machine that can withstand bad updates and even infrequent updates.

 

[MGUltimate]

Sometime in the years between 2060 and 2090 will be the first vaginal sex scene not involving the husband. This one is a lost cause. Patroning this now unless you like years, if not decades, of teasing only is very dumb. Going to continue to milk patrons with only thousands of pages of bla bla bla, annoying internal dialogue, 6 renders every time she walks through a fucking door, annoying in between noises/etc (car driving off etc) and maybe even starting from the beginning where you have to go through the whole torture again, including the music lesson with the other kid (forget his name) which was unskippable in parts and boring AF. If Blueballing was in the dictionary there'd be a link to this. This in terms of bad games rates up there with 1982 Atari ET. Which many were buried in a landfill. Just don't. This might be abandoned before there's a decent H scene. Milking machine.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Sometime in the years between 2060 and 2090 will be the first vaginal sex scene not involving the husband. This one is a lost cause. Patroning this now unless you like years, if not decades, of teasing only is very dumb. Going to continue to milk patrons with only thousands of pages of bla bla bla, annoying internal dialogue, 6 renders every time she walks through a fucking door, annoying in between noises/etc (car driving off etc) and maybe even starting from the beginning where you have to go through the whole torture again, including the music lesson with the other kid (forget his name) which was unskippable in parts and boring AF. If Blueballing was in the dictionary there'd be a link to this. This in terms of bad games rates up there with 1982 Atari ET. Which many were buried in a landfill. Just don't. This might be abandoned before there's a decent H scene. Milking machine.

 

[MGUltimate]

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Please, 3 or 4 years NO sex scenes other than husband which was bad sex? Touching tits together isn't a sex scene. The statement is completely accurate. Actually beyond - I played the 1982 ET game. Was frustrating, but not completely boring unlike this dreck. All yakking, no action. MC is so frigid her pussy has icicles hanging from it. Dev is a sadist making a no sex game. Total milking those dumb enough to still be patrons.

 

[naughtynafz]

Sometime in the years between 2060 and 2090 will be the first vaginal sex scene not involving the husband. This one is a lost cause. Patroning this now unless you like years, if not decades, of teasing only is very dumb. Going to continue to milk patrons with only thousands of pages of bla bla bla, annoying internal dialogue, 6 renders every time she walks through a fucking door, annoying in between noises/etc (car driving off etc) and maybe even starting from the beginning where you have to go through the whole torture again, including the music lesson with the other kid (forget his name) which was unskippable in parts and boring AF. If Blueballing was in the dictionary there'd be a link to this. This in terms of bad games rates up there with 1982 Atari ET. Which many were buried in a landfill. Just don't. This might be abandoned before there's a decent H scene. Milking machine.

Ok... Your version of the game is Sophia wakes up in the morning to open the door, three muscled movers were there, she invited them in and strips completely before them. They gangbanged her and then ellie wakes up and go downstairs to watch them banging her mom. She also joined the party. After that Dylan wakes and find his sister and mom being banged pretty hard, he also wants a piece.. now it's 2 vs 4. Lots of kissing, deepthroating, cumming, double p, lesbian, gay, bisexual combination.. after all is complete the movers thanked them and move on. Sophia cries what they have done. Soon the whole neighbourhood knows it, slowly Sam, Neil and everybody comes to their house and bangs them as they please. This is how far she can go, but without any reason to go there. Game Over. Sleep peacefully.

 

[Bane71]

Reading all of the above posts regarding the direction of the plot and the huge composition of the ensemble and other aspects of the novel, one serious conclusion can be drawn: All critics of L&P should be grateful to him, because thanks to him, they raised their professional level of criticism to incredible heights, and today everyone of them ready to write and create my own visual novel, which will undoubtedly be a bestseller!
AWAM is nothing!
Critics, this is the main thing in it!
Ave critics! Down with L&P!

Reading you all, I finally understood what L&P is master of! The only thing he does masterfully is to delay the creation of the game in time, he is not capable of anything else!
How could I and some other stupid and inexperienced people make mistakes and naively believe L&P! Oh, oh, oh!

Thank you, friends! Happy New Year everyone!

 

[t3alqdansam]

Not that I'm complaining, but Neil and Amber would have made a lot of sense to keep in the story. They're neighbors, and the tension (especially with Neil) could have made for some easy conflict to drive the story. I would have traded the two of them for the first side job easily. I also would have traded them for the hairdresser and her daughter.

But Marie.... how could you? And after she signed the contract for all those yoga studios that would feature her... ahem... poses. The investors were looking at getting boo coo male members finally.

 

[MGUltimate]

Ok... Your version of the game is Sophia wakes up in the morning to open the door, three muscled movers were there, she invited them in and strips completely before them. They gangbanged her and then ellie wakes up and go downstairs to watch them banging her mom. She also joined the party. After that Dylan wakes and find his sister and mom being banged pretty hard, he also wants a piece.. now it's 2 vs 4. Lots of kissing, deepthroating, cumming, double p, lesbian, gay, bisexual combination.. after all is complete the movers thanked them and move on. Sophia cries what they have done. Soon the whole neighbourhood knows it, slowly Sam, Neil and everybody comes to their house and bangs them as they please. This is how far she can go, but without any reason to go there. Game Over. Sleep peacefully.

There is a very large difference between that and 3-4 FUCKING years with no non-husband sex. It would be like saying someone who complained their Amazon package took 2 years to arrive was like "Oh, it should have come the next day!" Have some sense. This is 100% bullshit no sex content. No sex content by like the 4th release is bad. 3-4 FUCKING YEARS IN is insane and anyone who would still patron belongs in the loony bin. It's pretty much nun simulator at this point.

 

[t3alqdansam]

Sometime in the years between 2060 and 2090 will be the first vaginal sex scene not involving the husband. This one is a lost cause. Patroning this now unless you like years, if not decades, of teasing only is very dumb. Going to continue to milk patrons with only thousands of pages of bla bla bla, annoying internal dialogue, 6 renders every time she walks through a fucking door, annoying in between noises/etc (car driving off etc) and maybe even starting from the beginning where you have to go through the whole torture again, including the music lesson with the other kid (forget his name) which was unskippable in parts and boring AF. If Blueballing was in the dictionary there'd be a link to this. This in terms of bad games rates up there with 1982 Atari ET. Which many were buried in a landfill. Just don't. This might be abandoned before there's a decent H scene. Milking machine.

Is this a one and done? And even though I agree with some of your criticisms your points are just here to do what...? Insult the people who like something different from you? So you killed all these electrons for..... And NO, inquiring minds don't want to know.

 

[t3alqdansam]

Please, 3 or 4 years NO sex scenes other than husband which was bad sex? Touching tits together isn't a sex scene. The statement is completely accurate. Actually beyond - I played the 1982 ET game. Was frustrating, but not completely boring unlike this dreck. All yakking, no action. MC is so frigid her pussy has icicles hanging from it. Dev is a sadist making a no sex game. Total milking those dumb enough to still be patrons.

So maybe... all the patrons are masochists and the Dev is fulfilling that need. Maybe you need to step outside your little basement and let others actually decide for themselves. Clearly you have only one track on this.

 

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