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okay. everything is true. but for a adult vn, its necessary. otherwise there would be no sex or erotica or whatever. it will be just daily routine of a female protagonist.When I see ALL those AVNs scenes in public gyms Im 100% sure the author looks like this:
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Not a single guy who had ever put his feet in a public gym for more than 10 hours would ever do the ridiculous gropping all this guys do, and also, they only do those scenes because they have no clue how you flirt and date for real in gyms. She has to lurk around you and eventually break her frame forcing a casual conversation, you do not act like the creep that quits training and runs around gropping, that is VERY beta, not alpha gigachad. Just saying...
Guys, author is a confirmed fat weirdo, but definately not a gym chad, 10000% sure.
For the young guys, DONT DO THAT EVER! Even if you have a greek god body, DONT DO THAT! Im 43 and I've been in gyms for more than 20 years, I've NEVER seen that and I dont know a single girl who had ever suffered something like that. Casual but tap, yeah, but ridiculous ass gropping in the middle of the room, come on! you dont even do that kind of exercise in that section!
Guys, the club with a toddler, the gym gropping, the 40 yo women excited after a 16yo kids rock band "sound", etc... The author is a confirmed weirdo with no real life experience.
Oh you can't? So you have just made some bushtit up then. Gee, thanks.If you don't know what the problem is, write down the lines of dialogue you remember from the game here.
I'll tell you right away how sloppy you are.
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I wanted to make a similar point but you were quicker.The sad thing is that at the time it was released, at least as far as I knew at the time, it was pretty unique and special. The problem being that he succumbed to pressure, and made it like every male protag game out 7 years ago
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To let everybody know that I'll be staying off of here for few weeks I need to take a break plus in 2 days I'll be getting a phone call from my doctor in Birmingham AL I been having problems with my back and if I do get a major surgery then I won't be able to come back on here for a long time so I know I'll be missing out a lot y'all don't worry I'll be fine but this ain't no laughing matter I know there has been few people laugh about things I put on here but this one is very serious and personal I don't usually share my personal life on here but I have made friends with y'all so I didn't want to leave without y'all knowing anything so now I'm getting off I'll be back soon if I have strength and energy to come back.
Take care brotherTo let everybody know that I'll be staying off of here for few weeks I need to take a break plus in 2 days I'll be getting a phone call from my doctor in Birmingham AL I been having problems with my back and if I do get a major surgery then I won't be able to come back on here for a long time so I know I'll be missing out a lot y'all don't worry I'll be fine but this ain't no laughing matter I know there has been few people laugh about things I put on here but this one is very serious and personal I don't usually share my personal life on here but I have made friends with y'all so I didn't want to leave without y'all knowing anything so now I'm getting off I'll be back soon if I have strength and energy to come back.
That is a valid point, although eventually it had to change, as otherwise we wouldn't have an erotic VN or things would be moving even slower.I wanted to make a similar point but you were quicker.
It seems to me that nobody expects a '1 to 1' realism in this game (and in any other porn or erotic game). But 'early AWAM' was pretty close to real life dilemmas - contrary to 98% of games here, that on average are as sophisticated as a hammer. And it made the game distinct. Past tense intended.
To me, 'early Sophia' was at least to some extent believable in her 'internal dialogues' and decisions. Today her behaviour fits the logic of a standard porn game but it's not the same. It's a pity, I would say.
Not again...You are like that other guy that kept insisting that stuff is slowing down and then he himself provided numerical prof that actually number of renders produced remained constant throughout years except one time drop.
Poor little bastard.Oh you can't? So you have just made some bushtit up then. Gee, thanks.
You are like that other guy that kept insisting that stuff is slowing down and then he himself provided numerical prof that actually number of renders produced remained constant throughout years except one time drop.
Are you 10 or something?
Read all your replies after this and know that I don't have a problem with you personally at all. I don't even know you, lol.Yes, but that's the whole point right? Classic "Copier guy" syndrome.
I mean, no one believes story here is actually plausible right? Not saying stuff like that does not happen in real life, because it does, but never as presented in AWAM.
What I appreciate the most are these little nuggets that allow to suspend your disbelieve.
Take Dylan/Sophia date for example. The way the dialogue was written is how you should be talking to a woman.
Not those stupid one liner openings that only work in movies or Youtube, but a witty, intelligent conversation that keeps her interested and on her toes interlaced with very very subtle sexual remarks. Keep it intriguing and don't do creepy shit.
I mean if you struggle or have little experience talking to a woman you can learn a lot from that scene. I am not exaggerating.
Nailed it. I was going to reply to them directly as they are a poster I have respected for a while now but you nailed it.I wanted to make a similar point but you were quicker.
It seems to me that nobody expects a '1 to 1' realism in this game (and in any other porn or erotic game). But 'early AWAM' was pretty close to real life dilemmas - contrary to 98% of games here, that on average are as sophisticated as a hammer. And it made the game distinct. Past tense intended.
To me, 'early Sophia' was at least to some extent believable in her 'internal dialogues' and decisions. Today her behaviour fits the logic of a standard porn game but it's not the same. It's a pity, I would say.
That's exactly my main problem with AWAM besides the massive disrespect he throws at his patrons (i used to be one like many on this thread).I shit on AWAM and L&P because it's wasted potential more than anything.
There he isNot again...
You yourself provided proof that things are going downhill, and not just a one-time drop in your split. I've been providing you with the yearly amount of renders from 2018 all the way through 2023, and every single year had less renders than the one prior, with the only exception being 2023 due to the last update that year (which was released on January 6th 2024).
Again, just for you!
2018: 2685 renders
2019: 2480 renders
2020: 2328 renders
2021: 1872 renders
2022: 1646 renders
2023: 1123 renders (+ ~760)
The only constant here is a constant downhill ride. So much for your "numerical proof".
Hey mate, just to clarify I had no problem with your earlier statement. I understood the point exactly and it got its merits. Absolutely.Read all your replies after this and know that I don't have a problem with you personally at all. I don't even know you, lol.
But I don't know what you're talking about with regard to learning...anything...from this porn game (or any I can think of). That's closer to the exact shit I was referring to as far as mentality so please let me know the lines that you think are not just realistic but worthy of learning from. If you mean all the m'lady kinda shit...don't ever talk like that, lol. Just FYI.
Beyond that, I agree that nobody expects 1:1 realism in what is a dumbass porn game/story. However, my points for a long time now have been:
1) As another poster recently stated, AWAM early on had much more realistic dilemmas than what has been written since.
2) L&P claims their dumbass porn story to be more realistic and "higher art" than other dumbass porn stories so I hold it to the standard they claim necessitates a 30 year dev cycle.
3) With just a little bit more effort and actual experience, dev's COULD write more realistic stories. Using cliche after cliche and trope after trope is due to laziness and inability, not that porn stories have to be so comically unrealistic by default. People have sex. We all got here from sex. It's not as mystical and rare as the people I'm referring to think it is or treat it as. People fuck, lol.
That's all. I'd question the reasoning of anyone that heard that and disagreed.
Edit: for grammatical/spelling errors and added one line I forgot to add.
Well, there are (rare) examples of 'close to reality' erotic games. I do not want to mention their names, for obvious reasons. And I do not think that in order to speed up the things the dev had to abandon his (her) original assumption about the 'classy female protagonist'.That is a valid point, although eventually it had to change, as otherwise we wouldn't have an erotic VN or things would be moving even slower.
I think that to write a "realistic" VN you would need 100s of small step events that would escalate thing to the next step/ phase, followed by another 100s of micro steps escalating another step. Imagine what the length of that script would be like.
Ok, I understand your point and would even go so far as to say a direct, full-realism story probably cannot be made in Daz/Renpy. Or any VN medium. That's probably left for actual video.There he is
I know numbers are hard, we established that.
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Also, as someone else also pointed out, if you only consider part 2 the work is actually speeding up slightly.
I know, a shocker.
You can argue that you don't like how fast the story progresses, I have no problems with that, but you simply can't say that L&P does not develop the game. The numbers don't lie! There was only one time the number dropped significantly (2021), and as we established this was around time when he changed the render.
The increase in time between the updates is due to more content contained in a single PD and not lack of game development.
If you still think this after seeing the numbers you are ignorant or don't understand what I am talking about.
Hey mate, just to clarify I had no problem with your earlier statement. I understood the point exactly and it got its merits. Absolutely.
I was only wondering if the execution as you have envisioned would be feasible, that's all.
Should have been more clear.
You completely ignore the fact that these numbers, apart from the last year, have always gone down, never up. That's exactly what a downhill ride is. I don't expect numbers to be always the same, but when they always go down, that is a clear indicator of things getting slower. Your average doesn't change that.
The only reason for the currently slight upward trend is Dylan+Sophia part 02 at the beginning of 2024. If it wasn't for that update, it would have been another year with less renders than the one prior (as every other year in the numbers provided). There's a reason he's beating his negative records pretty much on annual basis. Would be nice if he could keep it up, but every single year prior to 2023 has shown the opposite. Which again, you can see in the overall drop in renders per year.Also, as someone else also pointed out, if you only consider part 2 the work is actually speeding up slightly.
I know, a shocker.
I never said L&P isn't developing the game.but you simply can't say that L&P does not develop the game.
The numbers don't have to drop significantly to indicate a downward trend. They dropped every single year for 5 years straight. Also, that's not when "renders changed". L&P's been increasing the quality of his renders all throughout the development until he hit a wall with DAZ, which was basically around ~2020-2021. You keep insisting that 2021 was somehow a massive change in quality and thus slower development, but on the other hand you've made your own portrait comparison in which you pointed out that the time required to create your art stays the same, only difference being the amount of experience/skill and thus it's outcome (higher quality). And in L&P's case, that would be even more accurate as he has tools like AI and a massive DAZ library at his disposal, meaning even less time required to create better quality.There was only one time the number dropped significantly (2021), and as we established this was around time when he changed the render.
That's just straight up nonsense. L&P releases on event-basis, this has got absolutely nothing to do with producing less renders per year. You're mixing up time per PD (amount of content/volume) and renders/day.The increase in time between the updates is due to more content contained in a single PD and not lack of game development.
See above. Dunking on yourself again.If you still think this after seeing the numbers you are ignorant or don't understand what I am talking about.
I also don't have a save from the first game to import so I answer the questions so maybe that is where I am going wrongDoes anyone know how to get Sam's scenes? I've tried everything and followed the walkthrough but I can't seem to quite get it.
In AWAM, L&P has implemented exactly what it described in its game description. It clearly states that from time to time decisions are also made by male characters.Well, I'm still a bit confused how any focus on Dylan represents "I've decided on a beautiful and hot female MC-MILF because there are just too many "male-MC games" at the moment! It's just become boring! And many hot events in the story are only playable as a (married) female MC!"
The slowdown you are so insistent on referring to is about 5% year to year. Apparently 5% slowdown is for you a "things are falling apart" territory. Again, this is not the gotcha you think it is.You completely ignore the fact that these numbers, apart from the last year, have always gone down, never up. That's exactly what a downhill ride is. I don't expect numbers to be always the same, but when they always go down, that is a clear indicator of things getting slower. Your average doesn't change that.
No, initially we were talking about two different things. He was talking about linear trend and my line was cumulative average.Also, the person you're referring to clearly told you that the game's development is getting slower right before he's made that statement, which you obviously ignored. It's the same person who's made the original graph, the one you took and edited. Talcum Powder