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Question for everyone .. be honest .. how long do you estimate it will take until dylan fucks sophia? I estimate that 2 years. I still love the game
 

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Question for everyone .. be honest .. how long do you estimate it will take until dylan fucks sophia? I estimate that 2 years. I still love the game
The earliest anyone is going to be fucking Sophia is playable day 19. But it's Dylan, so in addition to the adultery is the incest factor, so he'll likely be the last, so probably closer to playable day 25. So best case scenario for that, at 6 months per playable day, is 7 years away. And that's best case. The last update took 3 months, which is 9 months a playable day, so a more realistic projection is more like around 10 years away
 
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Question for everyone .. be honest .. how long do you estimate it will take until dylan fucks sophia? I estimate that 2 years. I still love the game
)) I don't know how long it will take to develop the game while Dylan fucks Sophia, I have another question.
Sofia's first sex not with her husband, will there be incest or with someone from the outside, a character known to us today or someone new?
 
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The earliest anyone is going to be fucking Sophia is playable day 19. But it's Dylan, so in addition to the adultery is the incest factor, so he'll likely be the last, so probably closer to playable day 25. So best base scenario for that, at 6 months per playable day, is 7 years away. And that's best case. The last update took 3 months, which is 9 months a playable day, so a more realistic projection is more like around 10 years away
Sadly, but your estimates are probably correct ((
 

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)) I don't know how long it will take to develop the game while Dylan fucks Sophia, I have another question.
Sofia's first sex not with her husband, will there be incest or with someone from the outside, a character known to us today or someone new?
Ellie has 2 events on playable day 19. And she's made significant strides with Sophia already, especially last update. As for Sam or Julia, we'll have to wait until the concert to see how far Sophia might be willing to go.

As for anyone else, L&P will need to tell us more.
 
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I understand your point of view and I myself want the game to be updated faster, but I do not agree with you. The desire speaks in you to quickly come to a hot content, no more.
Including a large number of characters, events bring this game closer to reality and make it special and interesting.
We have a serious contradiction! We want it faster, but if the game was based on the principles: fewer characters, we will move on to hot events faster. Then it would become like everything that is full of the network and not interesting.

Probably very difficult, but the only way to speed up updates is to find competent L&P assistants, which will not lead to a deterioration in the overall game.
L&P today has created a solid foundation on which to build a very interesting game. The more the game is filled with events, characters and different possibilities, the more interesting it is.
Absolutely nothing I said indicates any "desire in you to quickly come to a hot content, no more." I'm so tired of this retort because it's lazy, insulting, and incorrect.

You cut superfluous scenes and characters not because you want to rush to "hot content" but because you want to improve the pacing and narrative of the story. There is a balancing act in every single game that is released between development time and content, and you have to balance the return on investment. In my opinion, including content like the 1st side job, a date with the museum boys, etc is not conducive to telling a compelling story. While it may be nice to have 30 characters in a game, if each character is only seen once three years, and they have no depth, then they're eating into L&Ps limited resources without giving us a worthwhile return on that investment. Scenes with minor characters are likely to be controversial or boring, because they either feel unnatural or because there's no connection to the characters.

Instead, I would prefer that L&P focus his attention on a slightly smaller cast of characters that he can more efficiently manage. I don't want or need Dylan and Ellie in every update, that would be boring, but I don't want to waste time on characters that I won't see again. We're roughly in Act 2 of the story, we should be advancing relationships and making characters deeper, we don't need to be wasting critical renders and scenes on characters that barely warrant a place in the character guide. Instead, we should cut those scenes and replace them with interactions with characters that matter more. These scenes do not necessarily need to contain "hot content", they instead need to advance our understanding of Sophia, her relationships, and her evolving sexuality. I would rather have a scene with Sam (just an example) and his mom where we get to see a deep exploration of the relationship between the three of them. We know that Sam and his mom play roles in the future, so any time spent on them will result in a better return on investment because we will care more about these characters moving forward.

Look at the controversy around the jail scene in this last update. People are freaking out that Sophia would do anything with Larry. I don't necessarily share that feeling, but I can understand their point. Imagine now if we get a date scene with the museum boys- if Sophia does anything sexual with them this place is going to riot. And the complaints will have merit. These are characters that we don't know, that we haven't spent any time with, and aren't planned to return in the future. If Sophia does anything sexual with them people are going to be apoplectic. But the scene can't be without sexual content, the scene exists to somehow advance Sophia's sexuality. To me, this is an entirely unnecessary problem to have. L&P has created a number of interesting characters, we don't need to waste time on superfluous shit at this point. We need better character development and we'll get that by focusing our energy on a smaller cast of characters.

Nothing in this viewpoint should be controversial, in fact it would protect the story and improve it. Yes, it would be great to have one-off events because it would allow for flexibility in the narrative. But these scenes take a lot of time to develop- and they come at the expense of developing more important characters. I don't care about the museum boys, the mailman, the movers, the old men at the 1st job, or the thugs. Any screen time they receive is taking precious oxygen away from better, more important, characters.
 
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Absolutely nothing I said indicates any "desire in you to quickly come to a hot content, no more." I'm so tired of this retort because it's lazy, insulting, and incorrect.

You cut superfluous scenes and characters not because you want to rush to "hot content" but because you want to improve the pacing and narrative of the story. There is a balancing act in every single game that is released between development time and content, and you have to balance the return on investment. In my opinion, including content like the 1st side job, a date with the museum boys, etc is not conducive to telling a compelling story. While it may be nice to have 30 characters in a game, if each character is only seen once three years, and they have no depth, then they're eating into L&Ps limited resources without giving us a worthwhile return on that investment. Scenes with minor characters are likely to be controversial or boring, because they either feel unnatural or because there's no connection to the characters.

Instead, I would prefer that L&P focus his attention on a slightly smaller cast of characters that he can more efficiently manage. I don't want or need Dylan and Ellie in every update, that would be boring, but I don't want to waste time on characters that I won't see again. We're roughly in Act 2 of the story, we should be advancing relationships and making characters deeper, we don't need to be wasting critical renders and scenes on characters that barely warrant a place in the character guide. Instead, we should cut those scenes and replace them with interactions with characters that matter more. These scenes do not necessarily need to contain "hot content", they instead need to advance our understanding of Sophia, her relationships, and her evolving sexuality. I would rather have a scene with Sam (just an example) and his mom where we get to see a deep exploration of the relationship between the three of them. We know that Sam and his mom play roles in the future, so any time spent on them will result in a better return on investment because we will care more about these characters moving forward.

Look at the controversy around the jail scene in this last update. People are freaking out that Sophia would do anything with Larry. I don't necessarily share that feeling, but I can understand their point. Imagine now if we get a date scene with the museum boys- if Sophia does anything sexual with them this place is going to riot. And the complaints will have merit. These are characters that we don't know, that we haven't spent any time with, and aren't planned to return in the future. If Sophia does anything sexual with them people are going to be apoplectic. But the scene can't be without sexual content, the scene exists to somehow advance Sophia's sexuality. To me, this is an entirely unnecessary problem to have. L&P has created a number of interesting characters, we don't need to waste time on superfluous shit at this point. We need better character development and we'll get that by focusing our energy on a smaller cast of characters.

Nothing in this viewpoint should be controversial, in fact it would protect the story and improve it. Yes, it would be great to have one-off events because it would allow for flexibility in the narrative. But these scenes take a lot of time to develop- and they come at the expense of developing more important characters. I don't care about the museum boys, the mailman, the movers, the old men at the 1st job, or the thugs. Any screen time they receive is taking precious oxygen away from better, more important, characters.
If you are offended and offended by another point of view, I can only regret it.
The phrase is indeed somewhat incorrect, it somewhat distorts the essence of what I want to say, but it shortens the text.

In general, I repeat, I do not agree with your technology for accelerating updates. In my opinion, this approach will ruin the game and from the way events and plots develop in the game, the L&P seems to be of the same opinion.
 

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Absolutely nothing I said indicates any "desire in you to quickly come to a hot content, no more." I'm so tired of this retort because it's lazy, insulting, and incorrect.

You cut superfluous scenes and characters not because you want to rush to "hot content" but because you want to improve the pacing and narrative of the story. There is a balancing act in every single game that is released between development time and content, and you have to balance the return on investment. In my opinion, including content like the 1st side job, a date with the museum boys, etc is not conducive to telling a compelling story. While it may be nice to have 30 characters in a game, if each character is only seen once three years, and they have no depth, then they're eating into L&Ps limited resources without giving us a worthwhile return on that investment. Scenes with minor characters are likely to be controversial or boring, because they either feel unnatural or because there's no connection to the characters.

Instead, I would prefer that L&P focus his attention on a slightly smaller cast of characters that he can more efficiently manage. I don't want or need Dylan and Ellie in every update, that would be boring, but I don't want to waste time on characters that I won't see again. We're roughly in Act 2 of the story, we should be advancing relationships and making characters deeper, we don't need to be wasting critical renders and scenes on characters that barely warrant a place in the character guide. Instead, we should cut those scenes and replace them with interactions with characters that matter more. These scenes do not necessarily need to contain "hot content", they instead need to advance our understanding of Sophia, her relationships, and her evolving sexuality. I would rather have a scene with Sam (just an example) and his mom where we get to see a deep exploration of the relationship between the three of them. We know that Sam and his mom play roles in the future, so any time spent on them will result in a better return on investment because we will care more about these characters moving forward.

Look at the controversy around the jail scene in this last update. People are freaking out that Sophia would do anything with Larry. I don't necessarily share that feeling, but I can understand their point. Imagine now if we get a date scene with the museum boys- if Sophia does anything sexual with them this place is going to riot. And the complaints will have merit. These are characters that we don't know, that we haven't spent any time with, and aren't planned to return in the future. If Sophia does anything sexual with them people are going to be apoplectic. But the scene can't be without sexual content, the scene exists to somehow advance Sophia's sexuality. To me, this is an entirely unnecessary problem to have. L&P has created a number of interesting characters, we don't need to waste time on superfluous shit at this point. We need better character development and we'll get that by focusing our energy on a smaller cast of characters.

Nothing in this viewpoint should be controversial, in fact it would protect the story and improve it. Yes, it would be great to have one-off events because it would allow for flexibility in the narrative. But these scenes take a lot of time to develop- and they come at the expense of developing more important characters. I don't care about the museum boys, the mailman, the movers, the old men at the 1st job, or the thugs. Any screen time they receive is taking precious oxygen away from better, more important, characters.
While Jason and Haru are insignificant characters, Patricia certainly isn't. And the Yoga event which I thought was going to be Patricia convincing her that Sophia that she is still desirable, even by someone younger like Marie, fell far short. So the Museum date is the next opportunity for this to happen. But is probably just a ploy by Patricia to get her sister horny enough so she can make a more serious move than the kiss on day 16, either on the date or the next day with Zoey while horse-riding. And on playable day 15, this might be Patricia's first chance to get Sophia alone for long enough to discuss the kiss from the nightclub.
 

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While Jason and Haru are insignificant characters, Patricia certainly isn't. And the Yoga event which I thought was going to be Patricia convincing her that Sophia that she is still desirable, even by someone younger like Marie, fell far short. So the Museum date is the next opportunity for this to happen. But is probably just a ploy by Patricia to get her sister horny enough so she can make a more serious move than the kiss on day 16, either on the date or the next day with Zoey while horse-riding. And on playable day 15, this might be Patricia's first chance to get Sophia alone for long enough to discuss the kiss from the nightclub.
I think you are absolutely right! And if you follow the logic of gingersweetgirl, then the storylines of the game will simply fall down and the game will lose its "color"!
 

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While Jason and Haru are insignificant characters, Patricia certainly isn't. And the Yoga event which I thought was going to be Patricia convincing her that Sophia that she is still desirable, even by someone younger like Marie, fell far short. So the Museum date is the next opportunity for this to happen. But is probably just a ploy by Patricia to get her sister horny enough so she can make a more serious move than the kiss on day 16, either on the date or the next day with Zoey while horse-riding. And on playable day 15, this might be Patricia's first chance to get Sophia alone for long enough to discuss the kiss from the nightclub.
You could do so much more with Patricia, we don't need the museum guys distracting the scene from the most interesting characters. In fact, it would be better to have just a one on one scene with Sophia and Patricia. This would give them the opportunity to talk about all the things you mentioned, develop their relationship further, and not waste it with Jason and Haru. If Patricia wants to convince Sophia that she's still desirable, then Patricia could recommend that they go back out with Ellie's friends. At least these guys are established and we have spent some time with them.

Instead we're going to get a scene where Patricia manipulates the situation to put Sophia in a weird position that will be both hot, but highly contrived. We would have more color, more character development, with Patricia alone. Patricia and Sophia should have more screen time together, because she is one of Sophia's main corrupters.
 
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Absolutely nothing I said indicates any "desire in you to quickly come to a hot content, no more." I'm so tired of this retort because it's lazy, insulting, and incorrect.
Much like the 1st side-job, the time L&P spends on these scenes could be better spent elsewhere on characters and stories that advance the plot more efficiently.
We want it faster, but if the game was based on the principles: fewer characters, we will move on to hot events faster. Then it would become like everything that is full of the network and not interesting.
One leads to another, it's clear as day and night, isn't it. Or is it?

In my opinion, including content like the 1st side job, a date with the museum boys, etc is not conducive to telling a compelling story. Scenes with minor characters are likely to be controversial or boring, because they either feel unnatural or because there's no connection to the characters.

These scenes do not necessarily need to contain "hot content", they instead need to advance our understanding of Sophia, her relationships, and her evolving sexuality.
What? The museum scene is all about buidling up Sophia/Patricia bonding, careful there. Through these "boring" scenes we might have a better understanding of MC's personality. And that upcoming museum event is gonna be anything but far from boring. C'mon, 2 youngsters vs 2 hot chicks, my mind is melting already.

I would rather have a scene with Sam (just an example) and his mom where we get to see a deep exploration of the relationship between the three of them.
Fuck me dead, but I've no faintest idea, where did it come from. Is our Sammy peeping on Amber or hitting on her behind the scenes? If even Sophia/Zac/Alyssa is questionable, than Sophia/Sam/Amber is almost out of the discussion. Correct me, if I'm wrong.

Look at the controversy around the jail scene in this last update. People are freaking out that Sophia would do anything with Larry. I don't necessarily share that feeling, but I can understand their point. Imagine now if we get a date scene with the museum boys- if Sophia does anything sexual with them this place is going to riot. And the complaints will have merit.
You're probably mixing up The Dylan Twist with the prison event. Some folks were pondering about her behavior, but it fails in comparsion with the shitstorm from the 0.100. There will be no sexual content up until Day 19, both Alley_Cat and Old dog mentioned that at least half a dozen times, including today:eek:

These scenes do not necessarily need to contain "hot content", they instead need to advance our understanding of Sophia, her relationships, and her evolving sexuality.

I don't care about the museum boys, the mailman, the movers, the old men at the 1st job, or the thugs. Any screen time they receive is taking precious oxygen away from better, more important, characters.
One goes hand in hand with another. By cutting "redundant" content we either breaking the narrative of the story of how it's intended to be told or converting it into yet another average and bleak fuckfest game. I'm with L&P on this one.
 
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You could do so much more with Patricia, we don't need the museum guys distracting the scene from the most interesting characters. In fact, it would be better to have just a one on one scene with Sophia and Patricia. This would give them the opportunity to talk about all the things you mentioned, develop their relationship further, and not waste it with Jason and Haru. If Patricia wants to convince Sophia that she's still desirable, then Patricia could recommend that they go back out with Ellie's friends. At least these guys are established and we have spent some time with them.

Instead we're going to get a scene where Patricia manipulates the situation to put Sophia in a weird position that will be both hot, but highly contrived. We would have more color, more character development, with Patricia alone. Patricia and Sophia should have more screen time together, because she is one of Sophia's main corrupters.
While it would be great to see more of Jules, Christine, Elena and Melanie, I'm not getting my hopes up. I've already heard we never see Elena again, which is a shame. And I'm still waiting to hear more on when we'll get to see Jules' ballet performance from day one.

What I think is becoming apparent is that L&P and the editors/translators clearly have a bias, but are also trying to appeal to a wide audience, which is why some parts of the game can appear so disjointed. As a young, college age male, it's starting to show that he has a bias towards having Sophia attracted to one. Like Jason, Haru and DeShawn. I'm beginning to think all the extra characters are L&P's way of testing the waters to see what sticks, instead of just sticking to a story he's written
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You're probably mixing up The Dylan Twist with the prison event. Some folks were pondering about her behavior, but it fails in comparsion with the shitstorm from the 0.100. There will be no sexual content up until Day 19, both Alley_Cat and Old dog mentioned that at least half a dozen times, including today:eek: ...
The first sex scene is on the Filthy route on playable day 19, not sexual content. We had sexual content in the Ellie scene. And the prison event had sexual content as well, even if physically Sophia didn't have sex
 

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You're probably mixing up The Dylan Twist with the prison event. Some folks were pondering about her behavior, but it fails in comparsion with the shitstorm from the 0.100. There will be no sexual content up until Day 19, both Alley_Cat and Old dog mentioned that at least half a dozen times, including today:eek:


One goes hand in hand with another. By cutting "redundant" content we either breaking the narrative of the story of how it's intended to be told or converting it into yet another average and bleak fuckfest game. I'm with L&P on this one.
No, I'm not mixing up the Dylan Twist- people here were very upset about the prison scene because they felt like it was totally out of Sophia's character to do anything sexual with Larry. The Dylan Twist is it's own monster and was obviously much more controversial.

Also, "sexual content" isn't just sex. Alley Cat has been clear that sex won't happen until Day 19, but every time Sophia shows a boob, or plays with herself, or day dreams about sex, that's all sexual content.

I wouldn't use the word redundant. The scenes I'm talking about aren't necessarily redundant, they just aren't as compelling as alternatives that would make better use of established characters. In my mind, alternatives to one-off scenes that make better use of good characters and maximizes L&P's time and resources would be a great way to improve the story's pacing.

I don't feel like anything I'm saying is controversial. Either I'm not explaining myself well, or you guys like the pacing of this story far more than I thought. It's not about the sex, it's about making the best use of limited releases to tell a strong story.
 
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