VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

[t3alqdansam]

I personally don't think anything is going to go down at this bar with regards defending yourself, where you'd have to sit with your back to the wall. Could something pop off, sure. That's always present where alcohol is served. I think it's going to be a good experience for all involved.
I also think some of the characters that we haven't seen in a while will start come back around, full circle.

Ooh, maybe Ivan gets a little fresh and Patricia goes off with the smart ass routine as Sam slides past to lead Sophia away before the fireworks and Patricia has half the bar wanting to protect her as Ivan realizes he forgot his green card while standing next to an off duty CBP guy. Then Patricia realizes Sophia has left and she runs outside to see the van shakin' and when she opens it up there are two Great Danes in their fighting over Scooby snacks. As she turns around she remembers them talking about the Cathy event so she starts down the road when she sees Sam's big ass Nova parked at the beach. As Patricia pulls up Sophia also pulls up and walks nonchalantly over to little sister for a ride to the party with Cathy.

Just a thought.

Who is this Liam guy that is supposed to be there?

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Personally, I think it would help the story if Sophia goes straight from the concert to the event with Cathy, Liam, and Andy. If she goes home and changes, I think the story loses some momentum. Instead, let her go straight to Cathy and Andy's apartment, a little drunk and dressed a little inappropriately; but not so much that it's a problem but enough to cause some tension. This game needs some stakes, and a slightly intoxicated and sexy Sophia could be the impetus for launching the next phase of the Cathy/Andy/Liam/Sophia storyline. If L&P's plan for Cathy and Andy is to make them potential LIs, and perhaps swingers, then let's start moving down that road. Let's not reset Sophia back to zero, sober and dressed conservatively, because that kills and momentum in the story. Let her show up at the apartment under the influence of whatever happens at the concert.

 

[Bane71]

Personally, I think it would help the story if Sophia goes straight from the concert to the event with Cathy, Liam, and Andy. If she goes home and changes, I think the story loses some momentum. Instead, let her go straight to Cathy and Andy's apartment, a little drunk and dressed a little inappropriately; but not so much that it's a problem but enough to cause some tension. This game needs some stakes, and a slightly intoxicated and sexy Sophia could be the impetus for launching the next phase of the Cathy/Andy/Liam/Sophia storyline. If L&P's plan for Cathy and Andy is to make them potential LIs, and perhaps swingers, then let's start moving down that road. Let's not reset Sophia back to zero, sober and dressed conservatively, because that kills and momentum in the story. Let her show up at the apartment under the influence of whatever happens at the concert.

True, but alcohol doesn't matter! The determining factors are different, not alcohol!

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

True, but alcohol doesn't matter! The determining factors are different, not alcohol!

When I say "Under the influence of the events at the bar" I mean to included everything. Sophia will be under the influence of a, likely, very erotic encounter and that should carry over directly to the event at Andy and Cathy's. Bonus points if Sam drops her off at the apartment and they have a one on one encounter right there in the car. That would set the stage PERFECTLY for the event with Andy and Cathy because Sophia is primed already. If she goes home and changes, she loses a lot of that. Storywise we don't want to give her the opportunity to calm down, we want to keep momentum.

Moving forward, I do like the idea of time jumps and playable days with only one or two events all day. PD 12 is already shaping up to be a very busy day for Sophia, and if the tempo of the story continues to gain momentum then we're going to have some very crowded days. It may make more sense if future updates have events from multiple days with only one or two events on any given day. That could help with the sense of realism.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Wouldn't it be the opposite of crowded as we go further into the game. Since as time passes only the important routes stay the rest fade out.
As for the time jumps it will help the realism a bit but we still will have to wait 20 years for this to end. I would only care for this game to finish in less than 10 years. As we move forward the realism is going to start fading out completely. We all are aware that writing a REAL pov of a cheating wife is so elaborate that there is no way L&P could encompass it ( frankly 90% players wouldn't even want to see it and call it a waste ) while continuing to write other sexual interactions.

Eventually, as storylines converge or are completed, it could get less crowded. But I think that it's likely to get more crowded before it gets less. So if the first extramarital sex is on PD 19, I can see PDs 20, 21, and 22 getting really crazy. Maybe as we get towards the end, and the player's choices begin to restrict story options, then the days will become less crowded. However, that could lead to another problem. Once stories like Aiden's tasks are completed, there could be holes in the story where there is nothing planned. So, just a random example, there could be nothing planned for the noon and afternoon hours of PD 23 because the storylines that filled those hours have been concluded. So either L&P needs to fill those periods with content, which still keeps the days crowded. Or they remain empty and he skips over them- which would be a time jump in and of itself.

Either way, we're years away from anything like this happening. L&P is just trying to get his development cycles under control, and screwing around with time jumps right now would probably be a bad idea. This is probably one of those conversations that we should revisit in 5 years after the game's development has stabilized.

Note- it's worth keeping in mind that, once the sex starts it's going to need to keep going. Let's say L&P gets his development cycle down to 4 months. At some point, once Sophia is corrupted enough (or even on the Good Wife path) sex is going to become more common. I have a hard time seeing L&P spending 4 months on an update for PD 21 and NOT including sex. What that means is that each 1/3 update would include sex, potentially with a different partner each time. That's a lot of sex for one day, and if it continues then we're just going to be another porn game. Time jumps could help alleviate this problem by spreading updates across multiple PDs.

Anyways, this is a lot of theorizing for me. I try to stay away from this stuff and focus on the meta discussion about development.

 

[yoochun]

so how big is the game in terms of content

 

[Alley_Cat]

Personally, I think it would help the story if Sophia goes straight from the concert to the event with Cathy, Liam, and Andy. If she goes home and changes, I think the story loses some momentum. Instead, let her go straight to Cathy and Andy's apartment, a little drunk and dressed a little inappropriately; but not so much that it's a problem but enough to cause some tension. This game needs some stakes, and a slightly intoxicated and sexy Sophia could be the impetus for launching the next phase of the Cathy/Andy/Liam/Sophia storyline. If L&P's plan for Cathy and Andy is to make them potential LIs, and perhaps swingers, then let's start moving down that road. Let's not reset Sophia back to zero, sober and dressed conservatively, because that kills and momentum in the story. Let her show up at the apartment under the influence of whatever happens at the concert.

I believe Cathy recommends Sophia and Liam plan to take a taxi home, so it stands to reason Cathy is planning on getting Sophia at least a little tipsy. Whether she has heard how frisky Sophia can get (presumably from Andy) after drinking and how much that is part of Cathy's plan is yet to be seen.

Personally I'm starting to look forward to the Cathy event, since it occurs to me it may be similar to the Patricia route in that it may get corrupting, but still harmless fun. As opposed to what it looks like the Dylan and Sam routes are turning into.

 

[Bane71]

I still can't understand some categorical judgments about the relationship between Sofia and Liam, about her clothes, bra, and so on from some users, whom I will not specify.
I just want to ask them, don't they understand that there are many routes in the game and they are still somehow interconnected, and, as I have already said, the game should move on. We can't just stand in one place every day!

In this situation, doesn't Liam see Sofia in a dress without a bra? And besides, he's not alone!


There is an option when Liam and his boss see Sofia even more openly!

Despite the fact that the boss saw Sofia in this form, after that there are no problems and hysteria on the part of Liam! So why do some people think that if Sofia shows up at Andy and Katie's apartment in a jumpsuit without a bra, it will cause an angry reaction from Liam?

Sofia was giving a blowjob while Liam was talking to the secretary!


In the absence of Sofia, Liam was considering Katie!


I got the impression that she noticed it and didn't mind!


So Liam continued to stare at Katie!



From all this, I conclude that if Sam brings Sofia to the house where Andy and Katie rented an apartment and she will be in the kombenizon without a bra, then Sofia will not have any problems with Liam's side.
Moreover, if Sofia, after the biker bar, the guys ' concert and a trip alone with Sam in his car, is a little excited, and the mood of Andy, Katie and Liam is quite playful, then the evening of these two couples can be interesting! And the absence of a bra on Sofia in these conditions is more than a necessary condition!

I don't think that this evening at Andy and Katie's will be very hot, but it will be a good prerequisite, preparation for their next hot meeting.

 

[Deleted member 3516371]

It's unlikely during the concert. But during the museum date and at the horse ranch, action is pretty certain, especially since Pat seems to like driving Sophia around.

And Sophia spending time with her sister is a much better excuse than spending time with her friends kid.

On which version i know it ain't 130

 

[Alley_Cat]

On which version i know it ain't 130

I believe the museum date will be update v.250, and for the ranch event, I don't know how L&P will do the update numbers for that playable day, but I would assume update v.300

 

[MaliPizdek]

about Cathy... she is smoking HOT do you guys think that Liam will have the chance to bang her or will it be swinger event with Sophia and Cathy's future husband? That could only be on a good wife path right?

 

[nexer]

You should have started with this one

Bane71, I know your message wasn't for me but
The red flag goes up not because Sophia arrives dressed like that at Cathy's house but where she comes from dressed like that.

After 19 years of marriage, with no infidelities, when your wife does it for you is one thing, and when she shows up after an evening spent with the neighbor's son in a cheap bar is another.
I'd ask you: do you think Liam will ask her where she's been when he sees her dressed like that? What would you do?

Remember, neither of them knows what the other did.

 

[ancienregimele]

I still can't understand some categorical judgments about the relationship between Sofia and Liam, about her clothes, bra, and so on from some users, whom I will not specify.
I just want to ask them, don't they understand that there are many routes in the game and they are still somehow interconnected, and, as I have already said, the game should move on. We can't just stand in one place every day!

In this situation, doesn't Liam see Sofia in a dress without a bra? And besides, he's not alone!
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There is an option when Liam and his boss see Sofia even more openly!
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Despite the fact that the boss saw Sofia in this form, after that there are no problems and hysteria on the part of Liam! So why do some people think that if Sofia shows up at Andy and Katie's apartment in a jumpsuit without a bra, it will cause an angry reaction from Liam?

Sofia was giving a blowjob while Liam was talking to the secretary!
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In the absence of Sofia, Liam was considering Katie!
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I got the impression that she noticed it and didn't mind!
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So Liam continued to stare at Katie!
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From all this, I conclude that if Sam brings Sofia to the house where Andy and Katie rented an apartment and she will be in the kombenizon without a bra, then Sofia will not have any problems with Liam's side.
Moreover, if Sofia, after the biker bar, the guys ' concert and a trip alone with Sam in his car, is a little excited, and the mood of Andy, Katie and Liam is quite playful, then the evening of these two couples can be interesting! And the absence of a bra on Sofia in these conditions is more than a necessary condition!

I don't think that this evening at Andy and Katie's will be very hot, but it will be a good prerequisite, preparation for their next hot meeting.

I havn't expressed any angst about Sophia showing up at Cathy & Andy's place without a bra, although it would be very out of character on the particular path I play & adhere to as closely as choices will allow. It could move things on but the Liam in my game would do more than raise an eyebrow. What I do is look at Sophia in the romper & think firstly, if L&P hadn't made her so friggin' ridiculously huge to please his immature "Mom" stereotype fixated audience, (Sophia is now up there with Dod, Milfy City, The Visit, FotM, et al in the air-bag sweepstake), there wouldn't be as much of an issue & secondly, the romper is wrong on so many levels that I fail to understand how it is that people can't appreciate why.

On the other hand, if the game follows it's normal pattern, we all know that no real harm is about to befall Sophia. L&P will stick to his plan for the event. Why I'm so hacked off about it all has to do with the fact that with the advent of the romper & the massive lemons, some more of the last shreds of realism, for me anyway, are jettisoned. One of the main reasons I got so invested in this story was this very same veneer of realism that has, IMO, almost gone now. So, OK, "it's only a (porn) game" I hear the usual sarcastic voices saying & that's a good point. When something good goes downhill, however, there's disappointment. When you've spent 3+ years with one VN that morphs into every a clone of every other "Mom" porn game, that disappointment increases exponentially.

My silver lining is that as every element that I so much appreciated disappears, it will make saying goodbye to AWAM that much easier, when it becomes necessary. Let's face it, with the standard crawlpace of development as it is, none of us will see the end of this game but IMO, we could well see it's abandonment.

 

[nexer]

IMO, worst than a whore is a cheap whore. Even if Sophia ends up a whore, she has to stay a stylish, well-dressed woman. I hope we don't see her dressed like that, although it's not too far off

 

[Bane71]

IMO, worst than a whore is a cheap whore. Even if Sophia ends up a whore, she has to stay a stylish, well-dressed woman. I hope we don't see her dressed like that, although it's not too far off
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Guys, this is ridiculous! You are beginning to look like old grumpy ladies who are constantly indignant and dissatisfied with everything!
For example, you are in doubt, and I am sure that Sofia will not wear such outfits! Even playing sexual games with someone.

But the question is not what Sofia is wearing, whether she is wearing a bra or not! Whatever she does, no matter how she looks, these are important issues, but still secondary, in such situations, the context is important!

That's why I don't understand you and I can't agree with your categorical attitude!

In different situations, taking into account many factors, the context can justify the most stupid actions, outfits, and so on. And you grab one of the factors and stubbornly assert that there can be no alternative!

 

[Alley_Cat]

about Cathy... she is smoking HOT do you guys think that Liam will have the chance to bang her or will it be swinger event with Sophia and Cathy's future husband? That could only be on a good wife path right?

It's most likely a swinger event, with Sophia, Liam, Cathy and Andy. And, yes, it'll be Good Wife. L&P has already said that Sophia might fuck another man, but as long as Liam is there to okay it, it's still considered a GW event. So in this case, if Sophia fucks Andy, Liam would be fucking Cathy.

 

[nexer]

Guys, this is ridiculous! You are beginning to look like old grumpy ladies who are constantly indignant and dissatisfied with everything!
For example, you are in doubt, and I am sure that Sofia will not wear such outfits! Even playing sexual games with someone.

But the question is not what Sofia is wearing, whether she is wearing a bra or not! Whatever she does, no matter how she looks, these are important issues, but still secondary, in such situations, the context is important!

That's why I don't understand you and I can't agree with your categorical attitude!

In different situations, taking into account many factors, the context can justify the most stupid actions, outfits, and so on. And you grab one of the factors and stubbornly assert that there can be no alternative!

You say Liam will be pleasantly surprised to see her dressed and know where she comes from.
Okay, I can live with that

 

[Bane71]

You say Liam will be pleasantly surprised to see her dressed and know where she comes from.
Okay, I can live with that

I was talking a little bit about something else. But in any case, I no longer dare to argue, I give up my attempts to explain my position.
To each his own!

 

[Scarlet56]

I was talking a little bit about something else. But in any case, I no longer dare to argue, I give up my attempts to explain my position.
To each his own!

I think you are right about your explanations but ....

Rather, I think Liam means it like this: "you can wear or not wear whatever you want as long as I'm around."
From there, if Sophia shows up in such an outfit without Liam knowing about it, I think it might get stuck.
Unless in the meantime, Sophia informed Liam that she was going to the concert given by the son of their neighbors (so Sam) with her sister.
But she hasn't told him about the outfit she's wearing.

I do not assert anything but offer this possibility.

 

[maybes4]

If the loader Ivan and his comrades are your favorites, then you should know that they will still appear. Your second favorite, Aiden, is constantly in the game, Sofia performs 12 tasks that he gives her, he has a lot of events with Sofia, in my opinion! Therefore, you have something to discuss here!

For example, the beginning of the next day, Sofia must complete Aiden's 4th task. We have discussed a lot here and have not come to any conclusion that this can be, because the events will take place at school, at a literature lesson.
Do you have any suggestions on this?

Well, i really looking forward the 4th aiden's task, but when i heard it will take place at school, i could foresee it would be boring. In my mind, something outside the school is much hotter, like Sophia has to hang out with aiden as a couple, or go to a party with him as his girlfriend. Im still waiting for the moment he kisses her.
Right now, my eyes are on the Sam event because someone hinted the movers would appear in the bar too. Given that previous inapproriate conversation with sophia, it makes me wonder what he would say if he saw sophia there with a boy her son's age.

I've always defended Aiden & both the blackmail storylines. I've defended them in some depth, if you were to read previous posts. They're not popular here but I was never going to win any popularity contests anyway, so I don't care. I'm only here representing myself & I like blackmail, as long as it's fictional.

Ivan & the movers, (great name for a 60s beat group), I can take or leave.

Aiden deserves more respect, at least than liam. Most every route in the game is about romance, and aiden's route kinda breathe a new life into game, making it balance with an NTR tag