VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

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t3alqdansam

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GingerSweetGirl said:
haha you guys, I'm still working my way through the update and this scene with Dylan and Christine is killing me haha.

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"Christine Shoots...
...Bingo!"

I don't know much about sports, but c'mon L&P, you set yourself up perfectly for "Christine shoots...and scores!" That's the phrase, not "bingo!". :LOL:
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Killing you softly? nyuk nyuk nyuk

Goooooaaaaaallllll!
 
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Sabertooth__ said:
There are enough comments here. Heck there are comments like that on this very page we are on. For whom content equals "Sex scenes". It's either that or he is a scamster. Ofcourse they hate the content, I didnt here from anyone that the content was fine, just that it should have been more. I too would wish to see more as long as it makes sense. Here it was just extremely rude comments liek this shit, this fraud etc etc. Absolute disgusting behaviour this is. The sheer hate that you see here in this community towards developers is astounding.

Not just L&P but almost all Devs. It's like people are running only with porn filled in their brain.

I shouldn't say this but damn, just before the update, it felt like a pack of hounds where locked up in a cage and meat was just placed in front them. The absolute behaviour was pathetic. The people never understand the creators plight. I have been part of communities who won't demean the very person creating the stuff they enjoy. And those who don't they leave these communities and move to others.

I don't know why it's so hard for people here.
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I actually quite liked the update. The Nat event has more eroticism than all the events in v.130 combined. Without the use of alcohol. Yes there wasn't nudity, but I got that in the Ellie shower in the morning, so I'm good. Nat advanced in different ways though.

I just wish there was an Ellie shower next update instead of an Aiden event. I'm hoping that since Ellie jilled herself off in the shower in front of Sophia last event, that Ellie can convince Sophia to do the same. So that on Ellie day, she can jill off Sophia.
 
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herrzimm1 said:
You know, back on Oct 16, 2017, when people were complaining about the lack of sexual content ... well, I was kind of wiling to be forgiving as it was around the 1st release and mostly nothing more than an introduction demo of the game.

But here we are, Nov 20, 2021 a full 4 years later, and the lack of sexual content is no longer something that can be forgiven. Yeah, I know all the responses of being a "slow burn" or "realism", etc.etc.

The simple truth of the matter that nobody can fully respond to is this. You have had a full FOUR WHOLE YEARS and still have a lack of content that justifies either support OR INTEREST? That isn't the consumer's fault, that is YOUR fault as a creator. You've had time, you've had opportunities, you've had customer reaction to MAKE the content and changes needed to INCLUDE that content ... but haven't.

So, I have to ask one simple question. IF after 4 full years, and you haven't gotten the ability to partake of the content that you have been looking forward to .... WHY are you even bothering showing support, let alone interest, in this game at this point?

It's okay. You can admit the truth to yourself and everyone else. This project, even with some of the most amazing quality I've seen in a long time, is still a project not worthy of this amount of attention. I sure as hell know for a fact that if someone offered you a "T-bone steak dinner" and you had to wait 4 years for it and STILL haven't even seen the grill getting heated up, that you would all walk away from it. Why haven't you done the same for this?


(And yeah, I jumped ship FOUR "updates" ago and still see the exact same complains NOW that I saw back then in regard to lack of content or possible outcome of character interaction. Ironically, the complaints about the game have become far more enjoyable and contain more "content" than the game itself does.)
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This is my take on your question that I expressed on Sept 13th of this year...
Please, believe me that I am not being glib when I say that patrons of any movement, artist or cause are as varied as their hair folicle count. Like with the Haight-Ashbury phenomenon in the 60's, some people are purists who show up to support a well thought out cause they believe in. Some show up because they receive a monetary or social profit. Some show up for bragging rights that they supported and was in the know of something before it was popular. Some show up because their friends are there. Some show up to ride the high they get from the support they give. Some just show up to be amused when the proverbial feces hits the fan.
For some of these reasons I would say that the patron is getting everything they expected or wanted from the deal. In some cases, the more provocative the scene the better the fulfillment...even if it ends as a colossal failure. However, you make a good point for those who believe holistically in the product or cause and feel cheated if it fails (or performs in a substandard way). It is also harder for the holistic to see the reasons of the esoteric while in the moment.
Thank you, Jack.
 
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Sabertooth__ said:
The 17 renders, firstly I have not played that scene yet. Secondly there was some major retcon. I even addressed it. The event which was supposed to be around 130 renders suddenly got cut down. Why is that no one knows. But it does put a disruption, we don't know how many renders in he was before retconning his idea. He did include a gallery mod, so maybe that's also where the time went.

Firstly, all of this happens with different people. They all have different standings, hence the different behaviours and extent of content with them. There are limits. Just because she was naked kissing with Ellie, doesn't mean the next time she is with any woman she should go all the way with her. It won't make sense. It would only make sense if she goes further with Ellie. The context and the scenario matter for the actions. That's part of being realistic and not the porn bullshit of. I will fuck anywhere with anyone because I already did this once, no matter the scenario I am in.

There are restraints on the scene. Giving the option is in itself implying that it is possible and writing 100's of route is not. He can't make n number of different scenarios. 1 where you take of her bra 2. Where you don't 3. Where you take of her panties too 4. Where you go further than that. 5. When they have sex. It's not possible. It's his story and he decides how much he wants to show and tell at a particular time.

It just brings to conversation down to the same thing. If the creators vision does not align with yours. Drop the game. He can't show full blown sex scenes because he doesn't think it fits the story now. I agree with this notion, you don't. There is no compulsion to torture yourself with this. You know the kind of content he will make and so should everybody. Then why the rant everytime. He makes the kind of content that is expected of him, it's not uncertain.

When people know they will not get something and yet they come back to rant about it, does it make any sense.
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It's impossible to discuss anything with you. You should really stop with the strawman if you don't know how to argue.. No one talked about sex, going all the way, kissing natalie etc. Me and others talked about a very normal and specific thing.
L&P could render a pile of shit on sophia's head and you would try to find a way to defend that.

Any normal woman in the western world has no issue taking her bra for a massage, specially in front of other woman.
Now a woman that has done this:
  • Took her top off in a sauna with unknown people
  • Took her top off in the massage parlor
  • Let her student put oil on her
  • Took her top for unkown kids in the art class
  • Made out with her daughter all smushy
  • Jacked off 2 people
  • Showed her tits to her son
  • Modeled in a bikini for her son/sam
  • Made out with her daughters friend in front of her daughter, bare breasts.
Would have an issue? Seriously? With the same woman that is massaging her tits and pouring water in her bits? A woman who had no issue getting fondled by her daughters friend in front of her daughter would have an issue taking her bra off, in the privacy of her home, for a massage?

You can say it's the creators vision all you want, but for someone who has stated several times that he wants the story to be realistic, well this is as realistic as a superbowl saturday.
 
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Bane71 said:
Obviously I am doing this in vain, but I will answer.

Speaking of the L&P's success, I did not mean the financial side of the issue, that would be ridiculous. And I find it strange that you understood it that way.
This is probably the key to your behavior. A small, insignificant financial success of L&P is visible to a huge number of people, and your achievements are not known to anyone except you personally and probably some narrow circle of acquaintances and it catches you.

Arguments.
No matter how funny it is, but it is quite obvious that for you arguments are only what you say, while others, in your opinion, do not express arguments, but cross the line and descend to direct insults.
But let me ask you, representatives of which planet do you call the L&P support group or his PR team? Are you saying that you do not understand that for people expressing their opinion, it is offensive? You perfectly understand this and your goal is to scandalize very specific people, but at the same time you are hiding behind general wording.
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First of all, in my world developing a porn game is hardly a social success, one that you can share with anyone.
Second of all, if you think L&P has any good feeling towards you or any other patron, oh buddy, you live in dreamland. Furthermore I doubt he can share his success as a porn game developer with anyone that he actually cares about (a gf, family, etc). What do you think he answers when his family asks him "What do you do for a living, son?".

I'm not hiding behind general wording, you're projecting again. I even put stuff in bullet points to help you out understand but you still don't answer anything and the first thing you do is name-calling.
 
t3alqdansam

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Sabertooth__ said:
How about 10. You'll be pleasantly surprised by the "number" of updates next year.
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Do not put horse before cart! Just sayin'! Also no chickens before hatched! Balut does not count! We will cross that bridge when we come to it, A bird in hand is worth two in Sophia, I meant bush. Crap! Where is this going? I ...... need chocolate!:ROFLMAO:
 
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To the mod deleting my posts for "Trolling", can you actually clarify how am I trolling. It would help a lot.
Given the posts that don't get deleted, I assume offending is all good with you guys, but stating remarks or giving opinions about the game which has the same name as the topic is now "Trolling".

t3alqdansam said:
Think of it this way: His pseudonym is viperdonkey. So perfect! It is actually a genius name. He is pure venom all the time ergo = VIPER and he is stubborn as hell at anything he determines of anything or anyone ergo = DONKEY. Viperdonkey tada!!!!!
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How does this post, which adds nothing to the topic, stays on, and I get 8 posts deleted, from which I'm pretty sure all or almost all talked about the game?
 
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Sabertooth__ said:
There are enough comments here. Heck there are comments like that on this very page we are on. For whom content equals "Sex scenes".

Not just L&P but almost all Devs. It's like people are running only with porn filled in their brain.
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And this is extremely easy to address and fix BY the creator. Just mention that this game is not going to CONTAIN "sex scenes".

Odd how once that element is removed from "an adult game", especially one that itself promotes itself in the "spoiler section" as:
"So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy wh**e soon? Some decisions maybe have to be made unwillingly. And in the end she has to ask herself… how far can she go."

Or it the "genre section" as:
" 3DCG, Big ass, Big tits, Corruption, Exhibitionism, Female protagonist, Incest, Lesbian, Masturbation, MILF, Oral sex, Romance, Voyeurism, Shota"
That the complains about a lack of sex scenes will stop.

These are DIRECT INDICATIONS OF SEX SCENES! I'm sorry, but either you realize that you have been a victim of "bait and switch" or you simply admit that you were being "lied to all along". Either way you cut it, the complaint about "lack of sex scenes" is NOT due to the consumer. It is due to the creator DIRECTLY INDICATING that "sex scenes" are to be included in the product.

Calling your OWN character a possible "filthy wh**e" indicates sex scenes. And the implication of decisions being "made unwillingly" directly implies forced sex scenes. Oh, and of course we can't ignore the inclusion of Oral sex being directly implicated. Or the use of Icest, Shota, Voyeurism, Exhibitionism, all of which are directly linked to sex scenes or at least explicit sexual situations. OR the use of the description of MILF, which translate into Mother I'd Like to F**k, implying a major portion of content being into a sexualized character based on ACTIONS , not simply by appearance.

Sorry, Sabertooth. The fact of the matter is this. The Creator of the game DIRECTLY IMPLIED sexual content is going to be a part of the product. You cannot (in good faith) hold the consumer to be at "fault" for complaining about the lack of that content when the CREATOR DIRECTLY IMPLICATED THAT IT IS GOING TO BE INCLUDED!
 
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ViperDonkey said:
First of all, in my world developing a porn game is hardly a social success, one that you can share with anyone.
Second of all, if you think L&P has any good feeling towards you or any other patron, oh buddy, you live in dreamland. Furthermore I doubt he can share his success as a porn game developer with anyone that he actually cares about (a gf, family, etc). What do you think he answers when his family asks him "What do you do for a living, son?".

I'm not hiding behind general wording, you're projecting again. I even put stuff in bullet points to help you out understand but you still don't answer anything and the first thing you do is name-calling.
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You are more than strange! You only hear yourself!
To love yourself is right and good, but everything must have a measure!
If you were trying to understand the interlocutor, then you would understand that I do not at all think that L&P is respectful to me and others like me. And a little higher, in previous posts, I already said that you and L&P are the same in this.
I am sure that a very small circle of his acquaintances knows how he makes his living. But that doesn't change the fact that you envy him.

But that's all, I'll stop there. Do you want to leave everything as it is, but my human and even friendly advice to you, think about it. Maybe if you overestimate your worldview, which is unlikely, you will change your nickname as well.

Personally, your nickname tells me that you perfectly understand what you are wrong about, but stubbornness, conceit or simple laziness prevent you from changing something in yourself.
Overcoming oneself, one's vices, this is the most difficult thing that a person can and not everyone can do, only very morally strong people.

I'm finishing. All the best to you.
 
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