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That was not the person of Sophia we were introduced to. Hell, she freaked at her drawers hitting the floor, not just the 'bad man' touching them. Now if it had been a 'toy' collection I 'may' be able to understand. That is the point here. His implied Sophia was seriously uptight. That was his opening argument to establish the start point of her corruption. Now he suddenly drops the 'her mind' has wandered down many paths before 'with' others. Nah It failed the credibility test for me and I cannot 'suspend belief' here as GingerSweetGirl has pointed out we occasionally need.
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On this I agree. There is not enough patience in the world if he started doing full character builds for every name in the VN. Mr. Murray ain't that interesting (He may be interested now, but not interesting. See the difference.
)This does go, however, to my point that he screwed the pooch on this part of the story. Sophia was not aghast at this suggestion. Yet she blew up at poor Ivan for just being helpful! Yup, crushed the entire raison d'tere (ck Sp) for me.
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From "Zulu" to today one of my favorite actors! I must add Without a Clue (W/ Sir Ben Kingsley) and The Man Who Would be King (W/Sir Sean Connery). Are two of the most underrated movies IMO and classic Michael Caine.
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I think the Sophia corruption advanced quite a bit in the latest update. She was definitely down for stuff she would never have been down for in the early days.
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As I have noted, the discussion crushed the credibility for me. I felt the baseline for the entire VN was just proven false. So disappoint!
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Dylan just needs to get off. I am sure fleshlight or other pseudo item would be sufficient!
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To be fair, L&P has written Liam more fairly than most "landlord" characters. He has his flaws (not spending enough time with Sophia and kids, throwing himself into work, his greed at casino etc). But they are normally excluded from the story, either deceased or working away overseas, or is written as a clearly unsympathetic character.
Personally I am not interested in GW route, so I can live with Liam only has a brief presence in the story as we concentrate on Sophia.
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Apparently! That is a supposition. We do not know the facts! Are we going to get another story changing body slam as this goes forward. We may find that Cathy and Liam already went down this path. It may have even been a threesome and they want the super uptight Sophia brought in. Or did Liam get the job by making sure the boss had the right (tested and broken in) models at hand. Any of these outlandish concepts are now free game after that ending scene discussion It is in such contrast, counter argument even, to where we started on that flight a mere 12 days ago. So Disappoint!
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Ha! Agree. Younger kids of the tik-tok era seem to start every other sentence with “scientists have proven …”
Six minutes is pretty short but it’s not out of the normal range for middle aged men - it’s not like it’s a three-pump dump you’d likely get from, say, an inexperienced 17 year old.
Also, Depends on if you use sex as a mechanism to reach orgasm or if you enjoy the intimacy and connection it offers. It can depend on your mindset and maybe Liam has gradually lost that feeling of connection and for him sex has become more of a results-based mechanical process. Over a few decades I can attest that relationships, and specifically physical intimacy, has its peaks and troughs. The quality of sex at any specific time or any discrete time period, can be a reflection of that level of intimacy.
You are quite right. I subscribe to a writing style that embraces, 'show me, don't tell me'. In the initial meeting at the restaurant with Andy and Cathy there was opportunity to lay this groundwork. For instance, when the bachelor party subject was broached Andy could have given Sophia a suggestive look. If Sophia returned with a blush, that would have been poignant, and established the playfulness without breaking her demure image. It also would have fired the audience's imagination in terms of what may have happened in the past and what might happen in the future.
Unfortunately, L&P let this opportunity go and later drops a bombshell that many expected, but only because of genre not the context.
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True. And most scientists today bullshit the 'proven' part. They do not have absolute evidence they have 'indications' or 'trends' or 'in this test'. So little critical thinking and not being held accountable for the BS they put out. Theory is not law. That is why it is still the Theory of Relativity. Real scientists are still testing it. So far so good but, that is real science. And any social science has tons of exceptions that these 'kids' have no ability to understand or desire to account for. So fascinating that Dr Kinsey was found to have falsified his research to justify his findings. He was not the first and was definitely not the last. Still looking at cold fusion are we?
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I feel like I need to step in at this point and set the record straight. You guys are too hard on yourselves and judgemental about performance. I will tell you without hesitation that 10 minute sex where I don't cum but my partner does can be AMAZING. Longer durations are not necessarily better, and 30 minutes would make me think I'm doing something wrong.
Give yourselves a break, 10-15 minutes can be great sex. We don't need a dozen positions and a theme, just find a nice groove and let's do it. If my husband cums in less than 10 minutes, do you know what I think? I think "Hell yes that's hot. He's really into me."
Sophia needs to work on herself and her expectations. Her husband can't contain himself around her, she's should feel good about that. But because she's not getting satisfied she's upset. I can understand that, but she needs to do something about it. If she needs 30 minutes and circus positions then sadly she and Liam may not be compatible. No one is wrong in that situation, it's just too bad.
But the point is boys, 10 minutes can be fantastic! Don't let AVGs warp your expectations, short and intense is better than even long and intense.
Give yourselves a break, 10-15 minutes can be great sex. We don't need a dozen positions and a theme, just find a nice groove and let's do it. If my husband cums in less than 10 minutes, do you know what I think? I think "Hell yes that's hot. He's really into me."
Sophia needs to work on herself and her expectations. Her husband can't contain himself around her, she's should feel good about that. But because she's not getting satisfied she's upset. I can understand that, but she needs to do something about it. If she needs 30 minutes and circus positions then sadly she and Liam may not be compatible. No one is wrong in that situation, it's just too bad.
But the point is boys, 10 minutes can be fantastic! Don't let AVGs warp your expectations, short and intense is better than even long and intense.
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TY. Yes laying there with my wife, exhausted, after 10 minutes and both of us satisfied is just as important or vital to the relationship as a floor strewn with used condoms and eight hours later crawling to the shower. I completely concur both are wonderful and both fill the need in a relationship. The exhaustion of pleasing your partner is the same. That result was the same it was just down different paths. The point was pleasing your partner! IMO
I think we discussed about this a while ago. I don't think Sophia is naive or innocent. The sex scenes with Liam showed that she is not shy when it comes to being intimate with her husband. Also in several occasions there are hints that back in the days she had her share of fun (the teachers, the rock bands, Liam..). Not as much or the same level as Patricia's but I would not picture her like the shy or innocent girl, at least in term of that kind of cliché. The feeling is that she rather gave up all this when she got married and pregnant and she built this "facade" to get in the role of model wife, caring mother and respectable teacher.
So to me it was not a shocker what happened with Cathy/Andy, rather, as many if not all have already pointed out the problem with the event is that it just felt rushed because it failed to convey the necessary immersion of what was their relationship back then.
**Ideally** there could be a lot more dialogues to dig up some episodes from the past, maybe a quick flashback, and few exchanges between the character that showed how comfortable they are with words and actions (touching etc).
In reality it could have had few more dialogues about a past event that give a better context. As simple as, e.g. when they offer alcohol and they refuse they could have said something like "since when you stopped drinking? What happened to old the Liam/Sophia? i remember that time when..." and then few lines of dialogues involving all of them to remember that time. That would have been a minimum to enable the reader/player to feel the atmosphere and "be there".
After all this is not a porn game, it's an erotic game, images are important but even more are dialogues and situations that are created. Nathalie event is the example, beside the abrupt beginning (IMO) the event was incredibly hot even without the need of nudity.
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That's just shit L&P says to get people to calm down.
By now,4 years later and many patreon promises failed, we know he's not actually trying much.
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Interesting discussion but I wanted to say : think less, fap more
I like good writing but in the end it's "just" an erotic visual novel, it's not Dune, GoT (the books) or classic literature
Though I agree she was too uptight at the beginning for what has already happened or will happen in the game, whatever is the reason (new interest in sapphism, swinging, blackmail, etc.)
I like good writing but in the end it's "just" an erotic visual novel, it's not Dune, GoT (the books) or classic literature
Though I agree she was too uptight at the beginning for what has already happened or will happen in the game, whatever is the reason (new interest in sapphism, swinging, blackmail, etc.)
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That is awesome! Thank you very much for taking time out of your day to do that.
I have to disagree with the opinion of the opposite sex.
A woman does everything very well as long as her partner is able to continue. Why should the situation where sex continues for more than 30 minutes concern a woman? And I don't mean the second shot.
It's one thing on first dates, when the excitement is high, and another when things calm down, say 5-6 months, and when the woman knows that the man is there, ready, anytime.
It's one thing to start at 01am and by 02am it's all over, even already asleep, and another to end around 04-05am.
I definitely don't think a woman needs to worry about that.
A woman does everything very well as long as her partner is able to continue. Why should the situation where sex continues for more than 30 minutes concern a woman?
And I don't mean the second shot.It's one thing on first dates, when the excitement is high, and another when things calm down, say 5-6 months, and when the woman knows that the man is there, ready, anytime.
It's one thing to start at 01am and by 02am it's all over, even already asleep, and another to end around 04-05am.
I definitely don't think a woman needs to worry about that.