Bane71

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Your (and not only yours) crusade of trying to shut people up here is starting to be pathetic.
Stop trying to police the thread in your favour. If you don't accept other opinions, then go somewhere else, last time I checked people can say whatever they want in here, within the rules.
This is sick nonsense, lies and your invention!
My crusade only exists in your head. Unlike you, I do not send anyone anywhere and do not try to shut up anyone's mouth, as you do without a twinge of conscience.

In any case, I wish everyone to enjoy the cuisine. It just seems to me that if visitors do not bring negativity into the institution, then it will be much more pleasant and comfortable for them to be here.
Here is my direct phrase: - In any case, I wish everyone to enjoy the kitchen.

Do you understand? Everyone! To everyone - this means both to those who meekly expect the results of L&P's work and to those, since you are constantly accusing L&P of deliberate time-wasting, deception and other nonsense.
 

Bane71

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I do not know why you think I don't understand. Of course I understand, your analogy is not bad but it is off. You are presenting it as if the restauranteur is troubled by this or the complaints book is a problem for him. If the restauranteur wants the complaints to stop then they should address the complaints through improved service. If the restauranteur does not intend to address the complaints then the restauranteur should not be concerned with them at all.

The analogy is off, in that the complaint book is not inside the restaurant and complaints are not being solicited by the restauranteur, it's outside the restaurant on a public online forum.

If the restauranteur is within their rights to ignore the external complaints book, which they are, and they are ignoring the external complaints book, and this one definitely is, surely someone who is perusing the public forum refuting the complaints and defending the restauranteur who has demonstrated, for years now, that they have no intention of addressing the complaint book, is serving a function with as much utility as un-funny comic releif.
You see, my friend, I only said what I said, nothing more!
There are wonderful words, do not look for a black cat in a dark room when it is not there!

You have attributed to me your messages, which I allegedly meant from messages alien to me, and you give me, quite naturally, the wrong assessment!

Returning to the allegory mentioned above, I will try to clarify.
I'm talking about the fact that the restaurateur is busy, he has a lot to do and a grateful audience. It is quite understandable and acceptable at the same time that he is somewhat worried about constant complaints and he plans to take actions to reduce the number of complaints. But not to the detriment of the work he does. After all, in order to satisfy complaints, he needs additional staff.
So my opinion is that regardless of whether we are satisfied with the work of L&P or not, we, as normal adults, should understand that a restaurateur may be concerned about the qualifications of new personnel and the safety of the secrets of his recipe! For example, his wrong choice of personnel to work for him may not lead to a decrease in the number of complaints, but to a complete catastrophe for his business and for him personally!

I am extremely surprised by the fact that many do not understand this and do not want to understand it.
 

BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM

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You see, my friend, I only said what I said, nothing more!
There are wonderful words, do not look for a black cat in a dark room when it is not there!

You have attributed to me your messages, which I allegedly meant from messages alien to me, and you give me, quite naturally, the wrong assessment!

Returning to the allegory mentioned above, I will try to clarify.
I'm talking about the fact that the restaurateur is busy, he has a lot to do and a grateful audience. It is quite understandable and acceptable at the same time that he is somewhat worried about constant complaints and he plans to take actions to reduce the number of complaints. But not to the detriment of the work he does. After all, in order to satisfy complaints, he needs additional staff.
So my opinion is that regardless of whether we are satisfied with the work of L&P or not, we, as normal adults, should understand that a restaurateur may be concerned about the qualifications of new personnel and the safety of the secrets of his recipe! For example, his wrong choice of personnel to work for him may not lead to a decrease in the number of complaints, but to a complete catastrophe for his business and for him personally!

I am extremely surprised by the fact that many do not understand this and do not want to understand it.
I'll try to help you understand:

  • The "restaurateur" opened his restaurant 4 years ago
  • In those 4 years the food has been getting out of the kitchen visibly slower as time goes by
  • Every week he tells the clients he will get help
  • He even threw an event in the restaurant saying that if the event got full, he would hire help
  • Even though the event was packed full, he failed on his promises and didn't get any help
  • Food keeps getting slower, plates look pretty but food tastes bland sometimes
  • He constantly contradicts himself, lies about troubles in the kitchen and when he says that the food will be out in 30min, it usually means it's coming out in 50 minutes.
  • Clients tell him to get a waitress and a hostess just to help him out outside the kitchen, so that way he doesn't have to share any secret recipes
  • The menus are full of typos, rushed and sometimes translated wrong
  • Now after 4 years where he said he couldn't find any chef of his level, he suddendly finds a "special chef" and he's building a second kitchen for that same chef. To his clients/investors he gives no details whatsoever of who this chef his, what his specialties are and why does he need a second kitchen. And after 4 years of leading them along he just expects them to trust him, when all his past action tells the clients to do otherwise.
 
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jamdan

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So. Trying to take his vague posts and make some sense of it.

- The "Special" things also involves this update.
- We'll get more info after the update.

So...how is that possible? If he added animations, we don't need "new info" . We can figure out that in the update itself. What else could involve this update, yet still need new info afterwards?

So, my new guess. If he isn't doing animations. Is he is going to start a side-story that'll be separate from the main game. Maybe those DLC's that are supposed to happen eventually.

Honestly, not much else is worth hyping and being so vague as to build some suspense. Animations? Ehh. Help with the renders? Ehhh. Voice acting? I suppose, but again way to expensive. He doesn't need a 2nd PC for this either. Side-story DLC? Sure.

Regardless, I can't see this not being a let down. Personally, anything that doesn't involve quicker updates/progression isn't worth it. If anything, this "special" thing will cause it to slow down more. This is the reason why people are frustrated. They like the game, but nobody in their right mind thinks we can go at 1 day per year and finish the game.

To continue the restaurant analogies. Imagine ordering a meal, and you only get one spoonful at a time and have to wait an hour between bites. Is it tasty? Sure...but it's pretty damn frustrating too. You either want more bites, or shorter waiting times. Or both.
 

GingerSweetGirl

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I'm glad to see some patrons speaking up. I don't think this update will slip to March, but I could see February.

I don't understand his strategy with this announcement. Now he's getting some pushback which should have been entirely predictable. If he wasn't prepared to announce anything he should have just kept quiet until he was ready. This isn't something that you tease, because vague statements don't build hype, they build frustration. I can't help but feel that this whole episode was an unforced error with no real upside but lots of downside. He could have the greatest idea ever in mind, but he should have simply waited until it was ready.

From a marketing perspective it's very dangerous to tell your clients to "trust". If you tell them to trust you and something goes wrong, you have directly put your reputation on the line. It may sound like semantics, but you're better off qualifying the statement. Instead of saying "trust me", say "I believe it'll be worth the wait" or "This new hardware is going to help me create the best version of the game possible." There's a million things you could say, but once you tell your consumer to trust you the pressure is on.
 
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GingerSweetGirl

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So. Trying to take his vague posts and make some sense of it.

- The "Special" things also involves this update.
- We'll get more info after the update.

So...how is that possible? If he added animations, we don't need "new info" . We can figure out that in the update itself. What else could involve this update, yet still need new info afterwards?

So, my new guess. If he isn't doing animations. Is he is going to start a side-story that'll be separate from the main game. Maybe those DLC's that are supposed to happen eventually.

Honestly, not much else is worth hyping and being so vague as to build some suspense. Animations? Ehh. Help with the renders? Ehhh. Voice acting? I suppose, but again way to expensive. He doesn't need a 2nd PC for this either. Side-story DLC? Sure.

Regardless, I can't see this not being a let down. Personally, anything that doesn't involve quicker updates/progression isn't worth it. If anything, this "special" thing will cause it to slow down more. This is the reason why people are frustrated. They like the game, but nobody in their right mind thinks we can go at 1 day per year and finish the game.

To continue the restaurant analogies. Imagine ordering a meal, and you only get one spoonful at a time and have to wait an hour between bites. Is it tasty? Sure...but it's pretty damn frustrating too. You either want more bites, or shorter waiting times. Or both.
Now that's an interesting idea, maybe it's the DLC or a sidestory. I'm not sure if a second computer would be necessary for that, but i would definitely be a huge announcement.

I'm just not sure how that would work practically. If it's DLC, that would just complicate things since the game is still under development. It wouldn't so much be DLC as it would just additional material. It could also be confusion since continuity could get weird. I don't know, I'd have to hear more.

A side story would be catastrophic for the future of AWAM. We don't need any more distractions from the main game. Side stories would completely undermine the switch to event-based releases. There would be competing content. If anything I would see this as L&P testing the waters for moving on to a new project if/when he loses interest in AWAM.

I still think it's something directly related to development.
 
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