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What’s the eta on this Amber update anyway? Does L$P take 4th of July vaccation week off or not?
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Well spoken, Saber! Totally agreement.
Dylan as the perpetrator of the blackmail was one of L&P's strangest ideas. And this from a developer who, by his own admission, was striving for realism in his story. Having Dylan perform this act on the idiotic grounds of wanting to help his mother in a midlife crisis. What young person of Dylan's age is interested in the problems of his mother, who is about 40 years old.
That Dylan chose Aiden of all people as a tool for his idea can still be explained. After all, Dylan had just come to this school and it is realistic to assume that he thought Aiden was a school bully but not a sociopathic criminal.
As has been correctly pointed out here, L&P let Dylan have the one to admit his mistakes. But he didn't want to use this insight to make Dylan more mature throughout the game but only on the Amber/Dylan side route.
On the main route so the statement of L&P this betrayal of Dylan to his mother should not play a role any more.
And that's exactly what many of the players had a big problem with. How was this supposed to work? Not only would Dylan have carried this mark of Cain throughout the rest of the game and never been able to free himself from the mark of a loser. It was also completely implausible that Sophia would never know the whole story. L&P has put a lot of effort into the sadistic character trait of Aiden in the last two updates. This can be used to justify the assumption that Aiden would have told Sophia at least at the end of the 12 tasks who she had to thank for all these humiliations. How did L&P plan for Sophia to react to this - with a shrug of the shoulders?
Perhaps the developer had planned to use this betrayal of Sophia as the final building block for the estrangement from her family. Liam who only works, for whom Sophia has to prostitute herself to pay off his debts, Dylan who betrays Sophia to a sadistic criminal and a daughter who only cares about herself (variable "Elli_Bitch").
But on all other routes with Dylan, whether sexual interactions with him take place or not, the truth had hit like a bomb. And L&P, I don't think, had a good explanation of how he could have then explained away Sophia's anger, shame and fear. Simply saying that Sophia is now so slutty that she doesn't care anymore probably seemed too shallow and cheap to L&P, not to mention believable.
That's why he had to drop this twist.
It is a pity that we can never discuss this event with L&P. For one thing, he would have to admit a mistake, and it seems that admitting a mistake is not his strong point. On the other hand, L&P may not want to discuss this deleted turn because he would have to reveal too many details of future story.
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Because the game name is A wife and a mother. Not A wife and my friend's mother!
IMO one of the sex scenes in PD 16, the "wild", "long" "hot", "hard", "hetero", "with an important character", "unexpected at the moment" and "highlight in the story" one doesn't apply to Dylan, Sam or Ellie (wild sex when they're virgins?) or Zac. I wouldn't apply it to the characters in the two side jobs either. I can only think of Aiden and his henchmen, something to do with Morello, the janitor Carl, Bennett, Tyler.
My bet for the wild sex scene in PD16 is LOGAN. Logan and his friends will come back on Monday. He's the only character who has been said to engage in wild sex (shower conversations between Ellie and Sophia in PD12). There is a tip in the beginning (PD 1), with a clue on the plane arriving in San Alejo (thanks Dansk) they are watching a movie on the plane featuring Logan and Professor Xavier (sound familiar? Wolwerine is "wild"). Logan has appeared in all the polls despite his poor results. LP has referred to him as an important character in the relationship between Ellie and Sophia. Sophia is obsessed with him because the size of his cock (comparing Ellie´s dildo), and the damage he can do to her daughter because he is a macho and a player, even physical damage because Ellie doesn't want to tell him she is a virgin, and if they have wild sex he can hurt her with his big dong. I think the key decision is Ellie's choice in PD13, if she doesn't forgive Logan some things will happen (Dylan-Ellie? Sophia-Tyler? Sophia-Dylan? Sophia-Sam?), but if she forgives him the Ellie-Dylan path will disappear, and another path with dark possible alternatives will start (Ellie-Logan?, Sophia-Logan?, Sophia-Tyler?, Sophia, Logan and...?). I have the doubt of which will be Patricia´s role in all this.
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Hm fair point, these games are definitely a way to act out fantasies unable to be pursued IRL. I just feel like so many games play the incest route it gets a bit tiring. Seems like almost ab obligation in this universe. I guess my thought was that in terms of quality there aren't many other games this well made and visually appealing, and I honestly find the Sam route very interesting and exciting, unlike other's where its done without thought or pacing. Not trying to bash on Dylan-Sophia, didn't mean to come out that way.
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Because things don’t improve if criticism isn’t allowed? Just a thought.If that's your view, why waste your time posting on this forum?
Agreed
Everyone is allowed an opinion and to voice it, but that wasn't just making a critical point, more akin to an atheist running into a church with an automatic rifle!
If there's nothing the person likes about AWAM, why bother visiting the forum to rant?
There are lots of things I don't like, but if they don't affect me, I don't waste my time on them.
L&P is German, not American. With all due respect to your 4th of July, we in Europe do not celebrate It.
- May 23, 2017
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You're absolutely right. He has 4th of July everyday.
This may be a stupid question but I can’t seem to get far enough to have Sophia meet aiden after school where she gets groped. It always sends me back to the day where she first talks with the principal… does anyone have ideas?
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Is that what I said about Sam, which you see as bullshit? Or is it what I said about dylan? i just said what i see right to sam fans who don't want to see the obvious facts in the game (he will be angry again
) what's wrong with it, what i wrote here is not to defend dylan. By the way, what I wrote in that post was for both sam and dylan fans.
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First of all, I have never heard of a son setting up his mother through stupidity in the manner that it is written. I would disagree that it was his strongest idea, as it was executed poorly. Maybe it could have been played out differently if the twist was executed towards the end of the story, but it's my understanding is that the twist would have remained hidden, and only came to light if Dylan was sent to boarding school. This is along the line of setting her up for good intentions, which leads to Dylan being involved with indirect blackmail, as he was the one who caused it in the first place.
No, Dylan did not assume he was a school bully. Dylan knew who Aiden was and his background.
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Aiden was more than a bully. When Sophia goes to the police and finds out about Aiden's background, his background was elevated from a bully to a criminal. If L&P was going to write him as a bully, he should have omitted the criminal background part from Aiden. That is like calling Don Morello a fair and honorable businessman.
And after the classroom scene with Aiden, Andre, and Jennifer, I would have to say Aiden clearly fits the description of a sociopath criminal if you consider what he is doing with Sophia and what he did with Jennifer. Jennifer was subject to both Blackmail and Rape, and Aiden was completely fine with it. That is sociopath behavior.HZjujk Quote: On the main route so the statement of L&P this betrayal of Dylan to his mother should not play a role any more.
Sorry, but that would be incorrect. For Example: If Person A talked to Person B about robbing a cash dispenser, and Person B robs the cash dispenser but decides to rob person C too, however, he ends up getting shot by person C to stop him and injures him. Person A would be responsible for Person B getting shot because he conspired with him to rob the cash dispenser, which he knew was wrong in the first place. If Person A never spoke with Person B, then Person C would have never shot Person B.
That is the same thing with Dylan and Aiden. Dylan knew who Aiden and Uncle were, but he approached and conspired with Aiden to make the deal. But Aiden took the deal further and acted on his own, and applied the twelve tasks rule to Sophia. Although Dylan didn't know about the twelve tasks, he is indirectly responsible for them because he's the one who planned and approached Aiden.
Just because Aiden injected the twelve tasks into the deal without Dylan's knowledge doesn't absolve Dylan of any responsibility for Aiden's actions.
Dylan wasn't a loser per se, The author said he excelled at sports, soccer, and computers. The problem the author said Dylan has is approaching and talking to women, and his class. If Dylan was a loser then saying that he excelled at sports and computer literacy is moot and should have never been written in the novel.
The "sadistic character trait of Aiden in the last two updates." takes me back to my other comment on sociopath behavior.
Maybe there was more to the twist, I don't know. But in the manner it was executed, it made no sense at all. There were no hints or anything in the story at that time, and even now, to suggest a "Mid-Life" crisis. And to have Dylan try to justify his actions as seeing a "Mid-Life" with Sophia had me scratching my head and trying to figure out what he was talking about in the story.
So this brings me back to my point that "The Twist" was executed poorly.
The twist may have worked with better story planning, but who knows. I couldn't tell you because he continues to change his script. But because he executed "The Twist," in my opinion at the wrong time, I believe it was the right call to remove it. And I agree that he would have to admit to making a mistake, which he doesn't do at all.
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It was in the novel at one point, about two years ago, but was removed because of bad reviews L&P was getting from members.
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