VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[tofhdns]

The cliffhanger
We know that there will be a cliffhanger in the final part of the scene and it has nothing to do with the main "action". So no... interruptus
So what could it be?

I think there could be two possibilities for the cliffhanger: it could have something "spicy" attached to it, or it could be just a pure plot "twist".
Personally, I think it could be the latter rather than the former.

To be something still spicy, as a sort of continuation of what happened in the main action, it could be an "almost caught" kind of situation, à la Sam if you will, like many here have already suggested. For example, once everything is finished, Sophia still have to change into her normal dress. As she has probably done before, she will change in the room (asking them to turn around) and while she is naked there could come the cliffhanger. Maybe Ava calls from downstairs or as she is coming up the stairs. Maybe to hurry up and avoid any suspicion she might quickly put the shirt on and answer her from the door kept ajar. And like in the telephone call with the "boss" in the previous event, they can somewhat exploit the situation. In different contexts, something like that happened during Sophia's visit at Liam's office (PD 12) or at the beach cabin with Dylan (PD 9).
There are of course many variations on this theme, this is just an example to give an idea.

The other possibility is that the cliffhanger has nothing particularly lewd in it and it's just a plot twist, either to give a particular conclusion to this event or to set the wheels in motion for the next event.
My feeling is that the cliffhanger could be related to the beginning of the event. Whatever escamotage they used to get the bag inside, now there is the opposite problem: Sophia has to smuggle the bag with the lingerie (possibly along with the evidences) out of the house. This should be relatively easy as they could simply drop the bag from the window and Sophia will take it on the way out. Easy peasy, compared to the other problem. But just because it's easy, that's where things could go south.

Walking in the garden is still very risky as she can be seen from inside with all those windows, as it was the case at the beginning. So we can imagine that the first time everything went according to her plan and now something happens that jeopardize the mission. It could be Ava unexpectedly walking her out of the gate and closing it behind her, so Sophia cannot go to retrieve the bag. Or Sophia being caught in the garden by Ava before getting to the bag. A lot of explanation to give, an excuse to make up quite quickly ("looking at the beautiful flowers" kind of thing...). So we can image some sort of impasse like that in which of course Sophia is not directly caught red-handed but she is in a delicate position. And that's where it could end, waiting for the way she gets away with it.

If we want to add more drama we can imagine the classic kind of scenes/trope we have in movies. Imagine Sophia retrieving the bag from under the window, retracing her steps in the garden and boom! There is Ava with an inquisitive expression on her face. She asks what's in the bag, Sophia hesitated unable to come up with a good excuse, Ava takes the bag, opens it, looks inside, her face changes into a mix of big surprise and anger, she looks at Sophia and... cliffhanger!
So how this can be solved? The usual way, whether you call it "

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". Maybe they filled the bag with something much more innocent and kept the lingerie for themselves, unbeknownst of Sophia, who will be as surprised as Ava. Or hidden the lingerie inside something more innocent. Sophia will left with still some explaining to do, but she will be able to get away with it.
Or it could be Leah that saves Sophia before Ava notices her in the garden. Which then could lead to her involvement in the future lessons.

My scenarios really suck because I'm not a writer but I hope you get the gist of it.

(I can't find that post again.)

If I understood correctly, he said that he planned a cliffhanger not because he needed one, but because the number of image files had become too many.
- This could mean a simple number division, not a scene change.

And previously, players had already experienced a cliffhanger related to "Liam the Photographer".
- As everyone knows, it didn't mean anything.

So I don't think about cliffhangers at all.

 

[tofhdns]

Cum swallowing will happen with either Dylan or Sam. My money is on Sam first because:
1) Sophia is already addicted to taste of Sam
2) L&P said their physical relationship will escalate short of coitus as Sam will not reach that point till near the end of the game
3) More story development is needed for Sophia to reach that point with Dylan.

According to the data xxxorro compiled (if it's still valid), Sophia needs Liam, to change her mind about blow jobs(oral creampie).

 

[xxxorro]

(I can't find that post again.)

If I understood correctly, he said that he planned a cliffhanger not because he needed one, but because the number of image files had become too many.
- This could mean a simple number division, not a scene change.

And previously, players had already experienced a cliffhanger related to "Liam the Photographer".
- As everyone knows, it didn't mean anything.

So I don't think about cliffhangers at all.

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-205-lust-passion.5944/post-14942107

It's just the end of the event, the last ~20 renders.

 

[tofhdns]

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https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-205-lust-passion.5944/post-14942107
It's just the end of the event, the last ~20 renders.

I just can't finish that damn scene. Already at render 325 and I will probably still need at least 15-20 I think. And Daz Studio became just crazy with the 4.22 version. It crashes like a motherfucker! I have to load some stuff additionally to the scene before rendering otherwise it crashes. That's why the rendering is slower.

And because of that, the scene won't end how I planned it, but with a "cliffhanger"

so this 2nd side job will have still a little continuation in the next update

 

[dan_roger69]

According to the data xxxorro compiled (if it's still valid), Sophia needs Liam, to change her mind about blow jobs(oral creampie).

If someone who can change a women's mind about oral creampies will be another experienced women in my opinion and not men. I believe Vicky or Patricia will influence Sophia to try oral creampie. If it's Vicky then Sophia will practice it with DeShawn .

 

[tofhdns]

If someone who can change a women's mind about oral creampies will be another experienced women in my opinion and not men. I believe Vicky or Patricia will influence Sophia to try oral creampie. If it's Vicky then Sophia will practice it with DeShawn .

I can't compromise with your opinion yet.

If you look at the image provided by xxxorro, Sophia called Liam's cum 'oral creampie'.

And it wasn't my guess, it was written in writing "that needs Liam, to change Sophia's mind about oral creampie."
(Double quotes are meant to separate text, not to indicate that it was written that way.)

The only reason I'm not sure is because the data was from 2018.

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

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Hello all,

Back after awhile can anyone please let me know the status. Also, I can see no android and no page of patreon.

Thanks

 

[hzjujk]

The problem of destroying the evidences.
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On the other hand, whenever she makes the decision to "help" them, I think it is also safe to assume that she has thought this through and has a plan to get rid of the evidence. The opposite would be a bit odd.
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Actually, the opposite of your assumption would be strange to me. Sophia is planning a little lingerie show for the three of them, not a wank party. “That” will result from the dynamics of the situation, I think. For Sophia, the subject of masturbation is closed from the teacher's point of view.
As far as the cleaning options are concerned, at least with my wife, I know for sure that this would not be a problem.
Did you know that a woman's handbag has always been bigger on the inside than it looks from the outside? Handbag manufacturers solved the problem of how to combine a black hole with a handbag and also the information paradox of such objects a century ago, but have so far avoided claiming the Nobel Prize for it out of business interests. (Sorry, but as a physicist, this blasphemy never ceases to annoy me).
Well, what I actually wanted to say is that there are always paper handkerchiefs in my wife's handbag, even those that have been there for decades and look more like small gray-white stones than paper handkerchiefs. Problem solved!

 

[tofhdns]

I just found and read the post and I'm going to edit my words a bit.
I feel like it's not limited to 'oral creampies'.

In the Devs view a "Good Wife" means "Chaste Wife" and anything that might give her ideas for a spicier sex life are "Filthy" or "Unchaste".
People don't work this way. You can be in a loving relationship with an actual Good Wife/GF who also enjoys kinky stuff. It doesn't mean that she's the town bicycle.
For example the wife could've gained enough Filthy points for her to be up deepthroat her husband. But of course she won't because that would be "unchaste".

1) For the Good Wife path it was actually planned that Sophia will experiment a few things with her husband. With the oral sex scene and Sophia's reactions on mouth-creampie and deepthroat, I tried to imply, that her behavior to this could change later! I mean, why shouldn't it? How do you come to the conclusion that this won't happen? You don't need the filthy points for that because Sophia will do that as a Good Wife! Filthy points are more like cheating points and finding other ways "to get some fun"! Sophia can also get filthy in love for her hubby!

 

[el diablo rojo]

The problem of destroying the evidences.

Clearly, this is an issues that Sophia must take into account.

Let's try to see what the options are with the usual no-stone-left-unturned (semi-serious) approach. After all, it's the apostles themselves that suggest to have a scientific approach to the problems

I think it is fair to assume that she could not have thought as far ahead as she did last time with the nipple patch.
This time she had to prepare the lingerie and find a way to smuggle it into the house without being caught. The best she could have imagined was that she would be asked to wear it.
I don't think she could have foreseen that the apostle might have problems with the 'homework' or that the lesson might take this turn.

On the other hand, whenever she makes the decision to "help" them, I think it is also safe to assume that she has thought this through and has a plan to get rid of the evidence. The opposite would be a bit odd.

Right off the bat, let's exclude the obvious way that many are wishing for. She made it clear after the night at opera with Liam that she does not like it.
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L&P said that her attitude towards it will change but I don't think this is the occasion. It will be too much of a big step for many reasons, not to mention the kind of linear progression that seems to regulate the story's dynamics.

Short of that, she has to find a way to cover all traces so that Ava does not find out, either directly or through her maid who might notice something while cleaning the rooms.

One solution, maybe the safest of all, is to use the bag she used to smuggle the lingerie inside.
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Either to clean up the mess or to use as a... container. She will have to smuggle it back with the lingerie anyway, so all the evidence will be in the same place. Ava won't see it, and of course she'll have to do a special load of laundry when she gets home.

Other possibilities

If we look back at previous events, there was already a similar situation: at the beach with the family (DAY) when she was in the cabin with Dylan having the viagra problem to deal with. In that case she instructed him to use a towel.
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Could that be a solution here? Hard to say, it depends on where they keep the fresh towels. If they keep them in the room, that could be the solution. If they keep them in a cupboard in the bathroom, for example, it might be more difficult. This might explain the teaser with Leah. For example, when the apostles start complaining about the homework that is not in their hands... she might get the idea to get some towels from the bathroom and that is how she bumps into Leah. Of course, it could also be that she aborted the plan, which was risky enough if Ava saw her from downstairs.

If the towels are out of the question because they are not in the room, there is one thing they certainly have. As Dan5k74 pointed out, she could go with a classic for any teenager on the planet. We can't see them in any of the teasers, but if we look at past events:
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they always wear socks. So this could be the classic way. When the time comes, they could use the socks, either the ones they are wearing or a fresh pair from the drawer. Finally, we have to consider that this is all part of sex education for very cloistered teenagers who know nothing about it. So it might fit with the idea that Sophia is teaching them some 'common practices' that might serve them well from then on.
Of course, this does not solve the evidence problem entirely. Sticky socks (or towels) could be discovered by Ava or the maid while doing the laundry. So either she/they go to the bathroom to give them a quick wash before throwing them in the laundry basket, or she/they could smuggle them back with the bag and the underwear (more on this later).

Another option is to use the bedsheets. This is a bit riskier because they are more visible and harder to hide. On the other hand, even if found out, it could easily be blamed on the teenagers' natural nocturnal emissions. So suspicion could be avoided. Still, it's very risky and I don't think it's the best option. Not to mention that they have to sleep in the bed afterwards. Yuck!

From the previous event, we cannot see a box of paper tissues or Kleenex in the room. But that could be another option. They could be using them and then flushing them down the toilet, for example. Sophia could also have some in her purse, as people often do.

This could also work if, as everyone suspects or wishes, they use Sophia's body, whether "accidentally" or because she allows it. Especially in the latter case, you could expect Sophia to have thought about it when she agreed. So she might have tissues in her purse or use what she is wearing to wipe herself.

A note on the cropped teaser, though. From the looks of it, it seems pretty clear where this is going **if we use porn logic**. I don't want to be a killjoy, but I'd like to point out that, at least so far, everything has been framed as a sex-education lesson, she's "teaching" them. So I would not be surprised if it does not end as the teaser suggests. What I mean is that they will probably complain about the failed "homework" and ask her to show them how it's done. So it could be that, as in the first lesson, she first shows them how to do it, but then they have to go on and do it themselves. She could act as a 'stimulus', as in the previous case, but ultimately, if they are to learn anything, they will have to do it themselves. I would not rule out this possibility.

There are other semi-serious and honorable mentions to list:

• the paper basket
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  Still a bit risky because whoever does the cleaning could notice it. If they are the exemplar kids they are supposed to be, they might do that cleaning themselves, so this could take care of the problem.
  
  
• The carpet or the floor:
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  if there are player options on this particular aspect, the less lewd could be using the carpet or the floor. Again supposing that there is something else disposable (paper tissue etc) to clean up the mess.
  
  
• Well... this:
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Great analysis but way too much overthinking. I don't think any of the "cleanup" or associated afterhoughts are going to appear in this update or even in the next one. As in most movies things like this are just moved past and the story continues. After the shota climax, where it lands will happen and the "cliffhanger" will occur. None of that is going to involve cleanup as that would just drag on the plot after the big "reveal".

 

[菊花献给党]

Cum swallowing will happen with either Dylan or Sam. My money is on Sam first because:
1) Sophia is already addicted to taste of Sam
2) L&P said their physical relationship will escalate short of coitus as Sam will not reach that point till near the end of the game
3) More story development is needed for Sophia to reach that point with Dylan.

In the game, Sam is basically the first male to make progress with Sofia

 

[FullyAnimated]

According to the data xxxorro compiled (if it's still valid), Sophia needs Liam, to change her mind about blow jobs(oral creampie).

Hmmm. Well, L&P has changed his mind several times already.

L&P has gone out of his way to emphasize that Sophia is entranced by Sam's taste/musk/pheromones, call it what you will. As things stand at this point in the story, Sam has the inside track for the first oral deposit.

 

[tofhdns]

Hmmm. Well, L&P has changed his mind several times already.

L&P has gone out of his way to emphasize that Sophia is entranced by Sam's taste/musk/pheromones, call it what you will. As things stand at this point in the story, Sam has the inside track for the first oral deposit.

First I cancelled that post and forgot to strike through it.

: My opinion still stands unless you have clear information that Sophia will give Sam oral sex(oral creampie) first.
: LP made it clear that Sophia will have a change of mind through oral sex(oral creampie) with Liam. Whether it's about oral creampie or something else.

If Sophia has oral sex with someone other than Liam first, then the significance of Sophia having oral sex with Liam is greatly diminished. (oral creampie)

For this reason, I'm guessing that Liam will be Sophia's first oral creampie partner.

And Sam is one of the last characters to have sex with Sophia.
If Sophia has oral sex (oral creampie) with Sam first, what would you fill the long gap until they have sex later?

Also, Sophia likes Sam very, very, very........ much, but Sophia will have a cooldown period and this is LP's plan until recently.

 

[dan_roger69]

First I cancelled that post and forgot to strike through it.

: My opinion still stands unless you have clear information that Sophia will give Sam oral sex(oral creampie) first.
: LP made it clear that Sophia will have a change of mind through oral sex(oral creampie) with Liam. Whether it's about oral creampie or something else.

If Sophia has oral sex with someone other than Liam first, then the significance of Sophia having oral sex with Liam is greatly diminished. (oral creampie)

For this reason, I'm guessing that Liam will be Sophia's first oral creampie partner.

And Sam is one of the last characters to have sex with Sophia.
If Sophia has oral sex (oral creampie) with Sam first, what would you fill the long gap until they have sex later?

Also, Sophia likes Sam very, very, very........ much, but Sophia will have a cooldown period and this is LP's plan until recently.

L&P mentioned Liam and Sophia experimenting (oral, Swinging, threesome) on good wife path at the end of the game. But on the filthy wife route that changes and Sophia could try it with any character other than her husband.

 

[tofhdns]

L&P mentioned Liam and Sophia experimenting (oral, Swinging, threesome) on good wife path at the end of the game. But on the filthy wife route that changes and Sophia could try it with any character other than her husband.

I don't think it's impossible.
But I need something bigger to counter LP's post to change my opinion. (I need time to think.)

 

[FullyAnimated]

I don't think it's impossible.
But I need something bigger to counter Liam's post to change my opinion.

She doesn't like the taste of Liam's spunk. 'nuff said.

 

[dan_roger69]

I don't think it's impossible.
But I need something bigger to counter Liam's post to change my opinion.

Based on this post L&P mentioned Liam events: https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-offtopic-discussion.111628/post-10082294
Not sure this is going to help change your opinion.

 

[tofhdns]

She doesn't like the taste of Liam's spunk. 'nuff said.

You should read xxxorro's post first to understand the flow of this conversation.

The reason you said is why Liam is needed.

 

[FullyAnimated]

On another topic:

What are the chances that Sophia's mom, when she comes to visit, instinctively picks up on Sophia's sexual frustrations? Mayhap, Mama Parker went through a similar experience with her husband at a similar point in their marriage.

Mama Parker could even confide to Sophia, she sought other outlets to relieve her frustrations...

Could be another wedge to reduce Sophia's reluctance to have a relationship outside the marriage!