VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

The relevance perhaps is if you're considering it as a living or independent thing. "Dylan could easily cook breakfast during one of the various breakfast scenes he has on the GW route" yes...he could have but alas L&P didn't design it like that, yes he could have and personally I would've liked that but I can't have it or it can't happen if L&P didn't decide to put it on the GW path...for what reason? only he knows.

It doesn't mean that just because it isn't in the GW path, it can't be in another path and still count as him helping or stepping up for the house and Sophia instead of breaking things around the house for some favor. It's like me saying "maybe Ellie broke the lock on the bathroom door?" Is there evidence? No, proof? No, can I say it? yeah. I can only say that it's broken and it has to get fixed hehe or that the dishwasher it's broken and Dylan is stepping up to wash the dishes in the meantime.

Well, we certainly need to find in the code if the dishwasher was broken on purpose by Dylan or not before jumping to conclusions. Maybe L&P might address that later on, for now, either Dylan or Ellie are helping with the dishes in different paths of the story...is Ellie helping with the dishes? because I just assume that she is since I don't care about the GW route nor the lesbian path. I like to think that she is if it's not Dylan.

I think what I'm finding so frustrating is that since he's a Parker, I want him to do well - get a gf, go to college, etc etc. And these are options that should be available on the GW route. But everything he seems to be doing is going against those goals, which is why I am so harsh on him.

Oh, and on another quasi-random note, while I was looking up the ancient Greek stuff regarding hellenizations, and perhaps another reason I want him to succeed without doing the Dylan route, is something I remembered from school regarding Oedipus. Firstly, he didn't know he was sleeping with his mother at the time. Secondly, upon finding out, he stabs his eyes out ("again and again and again") and his mother hangs herself. Even the ancient Greeks knew consanguinity was a bad thing (Oedipus ended up having 4 children to his mother). Do we really want that kind of thing to happen to Dylan and Sophia?

 

[Old Dog]

I think what I'm finding so frustrating is that since he's a Parker, I want him to do well - get a gf, go to college, etc etc. And these are options that should be available on the GW route. But everything he seems to be doing is going against those goals, which is why I am so harsh on him.

Oh, and on another quasi-random note, while I was looking up the ancient Greek stuff regarding hellenizations, and perhaps another reason I want him to succeed without doing the Dylan route, is something I remembered from school regarding Oedipus. Firstly, he didn't know he was sleeping with his mother at the time. Secondly, upon finding out, he stabs his eyes out ("again and again and again") and his mother hangs herself. Even the ancient Greeks knew consanguinity was a bad thing (Oedipus ended up having 4 children to his mother). Do we really want that kind of thing to happen to Dylan and Sophia?

I see it as they are filling a void(Sophia) and Dylan a learning curve(Sex ed I guess you could call it.Ellie is experimenting with her sexuality and helping her mother discover her own sexuality.I can see both Ellie and Dylan moving on to other things in life when college calls and they start a relationship of there own and also when Liam finaly get hold of the company.If it is not discovered what has been going on between mother son and daughter.Life will settle down back to what it was like before.Happy ending,if not they all fucked Liam divorces Sophia she loses the house,her husband,job and friends and shunned by her parents and public humiliation for what she done.DOH Sophia.
It is a very dangerous game the Parker family are playing.

 

[Maduck187]

I think what I'm finding so frustrating is that since he's a Parker, I want him to do well - get a gf, go to college, etc etc. And these are options that should be available on the GW route. But everything he seems to be doing is going against those goals, which is why I am so harsh on him.

Oh, and on another quasi-random note, while I was looking up the ancient Greek stuff regarding hellenizations, and perhaps another reason I want him to succeed without doing the Dylan route, is something I remembered from school regarding Oedipus. Firstly, he didn't know he was sleeping with his mother at the time. Secondly, upon finding out, he stabs his eyes out ("again and again and again") and his mother hangs herself. Even the ancient Greeks knew consanguinity was a bad thing (Oedipus ended up having 4 children to his mother). Do we really want that kind of thing to happen to Dylan and Sophia?

I think it was more the finding out part that did in Oedipus and his mother, lol. I mean he did kill his biological father unknowingly because his parents left him to die as a baby due to a prophecy. I believe Dylan won't have such an experience because he and Sophia are aware of their relationship beforehand and are still attracted to each other. The drama that follows could go either way with Liam maybe offing himself if he finds out Sophia enjoys her son's/daughter's touch more than his, or he chooses to accept it in order to hold onto Sophia or he just chooses to leave her completely.

 

[MO18]

So is there any update news?

 

[Old Dog]

So is there any update news?

Not yet but we should have some news soon

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

I think what I'm finding so frustrating is that since he's a Parker, I want him to do well - get a gf, go to college, etc etc. And these are options that should be available on the GW route. But everything he seems to be doing is going against those goals, which is why I am so harsh on him.

Now THAT I can understand your frustration. Hell, I want the same for Ellie even if I don't play her path, I want her to do well with her dancing classes, projects, a better boyfriend than Logan and I have to admit though...I want her to remain straight than lesbian but I do want her to do well as a Parker and also, to get along with Dylan. I don't get to see that unless I switch to GW or Lesbian path and my problem is that I find GW route very boring and I just simply don't like lesbian stuff so all I have is the bonus side story. While I'm not as harsh on her as you're with Dylan, it's frustrating that I can't do anything more for her unless I'm on those paths whose nature doesn't interest me.

I've mentioned before how much I HATE sibling rivalry and both of them are not without blame to behave like that towards the other so for the Bonus side story, I wanted or I'm hoping for a better resolution about their attitudes towards each other...maybe because I've always liked that a brother and a sister should be an extra ally by default, someone to count on instead of being a bitch or a perv. Now if Ellie can change her attitude maybe so can Dylan...I don't know nor expect it will get to something sexual (even if I'm completely in favor of it because I love incest in the stories) but at the very least they can finally get along.

Oh, and on another quasi-random note, while I was looking up the ancient Greek stuff regarding hellenizations, and perhaps another reason I want him to succeed without doing the Dylan route, is something I remembered from school regarding Oedipus. Firstly, he didn't know he was sleeping with his mother at the time. Secondly, upon finding out, he stabs his eyes out ("again and again and again") and his mother hangs herself. Even the ancient Greeks knew consanguinity was a bad thing (Oedipus ended up having 4 children to his mother). Do we really want that kind of thing to happen to Dylan and Sophia?

Hehehe well...I'm not a psychologist but there's Oedipus Complex in the game, yes, and I wonder in the case of Ellie if there's some Elektra Complex as well, maybe not in the form of removing the mother to be with the father but in reverse, replace the father to be with the mother. Honestly, I don't have the time to research complexes and write the comment here now hehe but I'm sure there must be an example of Ellie's psychosexual behavior towards her mother.

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Actually, I want and like incest between them because that's the only reason why I like this game and still playing it and I'm actually not in favor of pregnancy among them, just the relationship, their closeness, and the sex/love making.

1) I don't want Sophia to get pregnant from anyone not only Dylan because that would mess up her gorgeous abs and hot
body...so nope.

2) I don't think nor hope it would come to that sort of thing as it happened to Oedipus, times have changed since then and I'm sure there must be some ongoing relationships without those kinds of tragical problems so I guess it could very well happen between Sophia & Dylan OR between Sophia & Ellie without ending in pregnancies, deaths, and blindness.

3)Maybe you and others can avoid that from happening in the GW route as an ending for such path...it would make sense and be well suited if everything else is avoided and just stay with her husband. Though...sorry, but for my tastes...the notion is either not so appealing or just boring hehe.

 

[Maduck187]

I see it as they are filling a void(Sophia) and Dylan a learning curve(Sex ed I guess you could call it.Ellie is experimenting with her sexuality and helping her mother discover her own sexuality.I can see both Ellie and Dylan moving on to other things in life when college calls and they start a relationship of there own and also when Liam finaly get hold of the company.If it is not discovered what has been going on between mother son and daughter.Life will settle down back to what it was like before.Happy ending,if not they all fucked Liam divorces Sophia she loses the house,her husband,job and friends and shunned by her parents and public humiliation for what she done.DOH Sophia.
It is a very dangerous game the Parker family are playing.

Dylan's learning curve is more that he finally finds motivation to excel, since if you play the Dylan route he basically becomes an ace athletically and I'm sure he would also excel academically if his d-bag teacher wasn't trying to make him fail on purpose in order to get into Sophia's pants. I get Alley_Cat's frustration since Dylan doesn't seem to try unless he gets motivation but sadly some people are just like that. It's only dangerous if you're on the Filthy path, I believe GW is basically Sophia pushing off all temptation and staying true to Liam.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Now THAT I can understand your frustration. Hell, I want the same for Ellie even if I don't play her path, I want her to do well with her dancing classes, projects, a better boyfriend than Logan and I have to admit though...I want her to remain straight than lesbian but I do want her to do well as a Parker and also, to get along with Dylan. I don't get to see that unless I switch to GW or Lesbian path and my problem is that I find GW route very boring and I just simply don't like lesbian stuff so all I have is the bonus side story. While I'm not as harsh on her as you're with Dylan, it's frustrating that I can't do anything more for her unless I'm on those paths whose nature doesn't interest me.

I've mentioned before how much I HATE sibling rivalry and both of them are not without blame to behave like that towards the other so for the Bonus side story, I wanted or I'm hoping for a better resolution about their attitudes towards each other...maybe because I've always liked that a brother and a sister should be an extra ally by default, someone to count on instead of being a bitch or a perv. Now if Ellie can change her attitude maybe so can Dylan...I don't know nor expect it will get to something sexual (even if I'm completely in favor of it because I love incest in the stories) but at the very least they can finally get along.



Hehehe well...I'm not a psychologist but there's Oedipus Complex in the game, yes, and I wonder in the case of Ellie if there's some Elektra Complex as well, maybe not in the form of removing the mother to be with the father but in reverse, replace the father to be with the mother. Honestly, I don't have the time to research complexes and write the comment here now hehe but I'm sure there must be an example of Ellie's psychosexual behavior towards her mother.

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Actually, I want and like incest between them because that's the only reason why I like this game and still playing it and I'm actually not in favor of pregnancy among them, just the relationship, their closeness, and the sex/love making.

1) I don't want Sophia to get pregnant from anyone not only Dylan because that would mess up her gorgeous abs and hot
body...so nope.

2) I don't think nor hope it would come to that sort of thing as it happened to Oedipus, times have changed since then and I'm sure there must be some ongoing relationships without those kinds of tragical problems so I guess it could very well happen between Sophia & Dylan OR between Sophia & Ellie without ending in pregnancies, deaths, and blindness.

3)Maybe you and others can avoid that from happening in the GW route as an ending for such path...it would make sense and be well suited if everything else is avoided and just stay with her husband. Though...sorry, but for my tastes...the notion is either not so appealing or just boring hehe.

That's half my point. On the GW route alone, without needing Ellie points, she still gets to have a bf (Aaron) or gf, is head of her dance class, possibly even head cheerleader (we don't know yet, we have till playable day 13 to find out), and has no problems academically that we're aware of. Ellie succeeds no matter what you do. Dylan is the opposite.

And the reason I equate the male Filthy route with pregnancy is simply the fact that no form of contraception is 100% effective. My main issue with Dylan/Sophia is consanguinity, which will always be a risk if sex is the endgame on his route. Also note that on one the rare occasions I've not criticized him (and jealy compared to the Ellie route) is in the chicken fight scene, where he almost has sex with Amber. There's risk of adultery, but not consanguinity.

 

[NexTGenioN]

Why so many black screens?!! My eyess It's like switch on/off the light every 5 sec

 

[Maduck187]

Why so many black screens?!! My eyess

Enable skip transitions in the settings tab.

 

[NexTGenioN]

Enable skip transitions in the settings tab.

Did it and nothing changes Damn after every dialogue black screen WTFF?!!

 

[Maduck187]

Did it and nothing changes

Hmm that's weird, the fade to black effect disappears once you on skip transitions so no idea why you're still getting it.

 

[Leldorin]

It may seems dumb, but the one time that I felt that Dylan was considerate of his mother was during the soccer match . When he learn that the other team is late, he tell his mom that she don’t have to stay if she don’t want to or if she has other things to do . It was an important match but he was thinking of his mother before himself. He didn’t ask for anything in return and he isn’t annoyed that she wasn’t there to see him winning the match. That was a level of maturity that I would prefer to see more from Dylan.

 

[NexTGenioN]

Hmm that's weird, the fade to black effect disappears once you on skip transitions so no idea why you're still getting it.

Well maybe there less fade to black screen after transition on but everytime when author comments some events still black screen and a lot of those comments...

 

[Bahraini]

So if Sophia dident get caught by Ellie watching porn in the living room, she cant kiss her in the shower?

 

[Alley_Cat]

So if Sophia dident get caught by Ellie watching porn in the living room, she cant kiss her in the shower?

Nope. When people complain they only have 21 points of the required 22, that's where they've usually missed the last point.

 

[NexTGenioN]

Hmm that's weird, the fade to black effect disappears once you on skip transitions so no idea why you're still getting it.

like example - Sophia and Dylan in the kitchen: start with fade black screen and comment: Sophia went downstairs to the kitchen and made dinner *1 Sophia photo there in the kitchen(black screen...!!!) Dylan came down first(black screen...!!!) -2 phrase of Sophia, BLACK SCREEN! and comment then another phrase of Sophia another fade bs! Ellie sat down(bs!!!) and some phrase again...like wtf is goin on my eyes bleed

 

[Deleted member 1760953]

it looks dope

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

That's half my point. On the GW route alone, without needing Ellie points, she still gets to have a bf (Aaron) or gf, is head of her dance class, possibly even head cheerleader (we don't know yet, we have till playable day 13 to find out), and has no problems academically that we're aware of. Ellie succeeds no matter what you do. Dylan is the opposite.

Okay...I understand you about Dylan. Then again, you are or need to be on the GW path for that to happen for Ellie without any Ellie points while you're not in the filthy or lesbian path. It still proves my point, if I'm not on the GW nor the lesbian path I don't get that for Ellie at all, no Aaron since I haven't heard any of that while being on the Dylan path neither just by default from Ellie nothing from her school or any other thing. What you said is by at least you being on the GW route.

So, some things fit on the GW and others don't...so for Dylan to succeed you have to be strictly on his path? Damn, that definitely leaves a situation for people like you who don't play his path and expects him to succeed, it leaves Dylan behind if playing other routes and paths, so I guess that's a thing to ask L&P then?.

As for my case, it also leaves Ellie behind if I just play Dylan's path and filthy route and not going GW nor Lesbian path. I don't get any successful news for Ellie while on it, the last thing I know from Ellie (by default) is when Sophia went to pick her up at the dance class and that was it, nothing else nor extra other than her conversation with Julia when Sophia eavesdropped and then went to play with Dylan and Amber's son in the trampoline then when she came back from Dylan's soccer match to watch Ellie and Julia in order to get the 21st point for Dylan (for the bathroom scene) afterward, she went back to pick Dylan after his game and that was all so far in my game about Ellie. Probably all the more reason for the bonus side story?

And the reason I equate the male Filthy route with pregnancy is simply the fact that no form of contraception is 100% effective. My main issue with Dylan/Sophia is consanguinity, which will always be a risk if sex is the endgame on his route. Also note that on one the rare occasions I've not criticized him (and jealy compared to the Ellie route) is in the chicken fight scene, where he almost has sex with Amber. There's risk of adultery, but not consanguinity.

Well, on the matter of your concern about consanguinity...

Yes, not all contraception methods are 100% effective, granted. The only effective method I can think of is "player's choice" If L&P gets it set for such a situation. Let's say, Sophia & Dylan finally make love or Sophia has sex with the other "potentials" ...it could be up to the player to either wear a condom or just finish outside giving the choice of facial, boobs, abs, back or wherever the players decide to finish instead of inside of Sophia if the player doesn't want to deal with pregnancy and consanguinity and still be with Sophia. I think that choice it's present in "A Mother's Love" the players can have sex with Nicole but they can still avoid getting Nicole pregnant if that's an issue for the player. Leave the pregnancy as a player's choice instead of a default decision.

Yes I remember about that "Jelly" thing about Amber & Dylan. We still don't know if that's an isolated incident or if it's going to continue later on. Also, that thing that happened with Amber was just because Amber's son provoke it for touching Sophia and Dylan noticed it and upset him so he did the same to Amber in retaliation but things escalated mainly because Amber's son hit Dylan in the head (and that was against the rules) so when he fell into the water he pulled Amber's bikini top as both of them fell and it revealed her nipple which made Dylan hard and the rest you know.

 

[Maduck187]

I think that choice it's present in "A Mother's Love" the players can have sex with Nicole but they can still avoid getting Nicole pregnant if that's an issue for the player. Leave the pregnancy as a player's choice instead of a default decision.

Only ever came inside Nicole, since I find pregnancy hot, be it incest or none incest.