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Based on what?
That she is cheating on Liam with his wife.
Because she is 18 years old and should know exactly what she is doing.
Sophia can say stop. But WE won't allow that. Nevertheless, it is Elli who sets the pace here.
And as for the "city to burn down": I think there is the variable "elli_slutty" somewhere.
But maybe I read this in another forum about a different game.
 

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Reason why i lose interest in this thread bit by bit. Maybe english isn't your first language, but for most languages, adultery is just cheating, what you said there, you pretty much tried to bend the laws of logic, my head hurts. I'm not comming back here until next update
English is my first and only language. Do you really think I can use words like consanguinity and morphemes without fluency in English? But I did well at school, so have an expensive, private school education. Which is why I can quote historical and legal definitions people may not recognise. As I said before, I'll get more reliable sources on the subject than Wiki, that will just take time. And as for "you pretty much tried to bend the laws of logic", I'll explain, hopefully more clearly this time:

For most of human history, women have been, legally speaking, the property of men - first the father, and then the husband. And when a woman becomes a wife, her role is to serve her husband, to bear and raise his children. And laws were created to enforce this, especially if the wife cheats on her husband with another man, and the husbands children are not his own. Hence the adulteration I speak of. And why a man can cheat on his wife with an unmarried woman, and it's not adultery, because his wife is still bearing and raising his and only his children. Hence why adultery and cheating are different words, adultery being a specific form of cheating.
 

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English is my first and only language. Do you really think I can use words like consanguinity and morphemes without fluency in English? But I did well at school, so have an expensive, private school education. Which is why I can quote historical and legal definitions people may not recognise. As I said before, I'll get more reliable sources on the subject than Wiki, that will just take time. And as for "you pretty much tried to bend the laws of logic", I'll explain, hopefully more clearly this time:

For most of human history, women have been, legally speaking, the property of men - first the father, and then the husband. And when a woman becomes a wife, her role is to serve her husband, to bear and raise his children. And laws were created to enforce this, especially if the wife cheats on her husband with another man, and the husbands children are not his own. Hence the adulteration I speak of. And why a man can cheat on his wife with an unmarried woman, and it's not adultery, because his wife is still bearing and raising his and only his children. Hence why adultery and cheating are different words, adultery being a specific form of cheating.
I'm not questioning your education or ability to speak english, i just prefer not to assume things about people i don't know. You're just overcomitting to the topic, you're talking about genetic inheritance (i suck at biology), that has nothing to do with cheating, which is adultery, the act of very specific acts of intimacy towards someone that is not your partner. That is cheating. You're mixing up fruits with salad, and explaining why fruits are the same thing.
 

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... You're just overcomitting to the topic, ...
Of course. What choice do I have when I'm arguing with people that neither provide evidence, nor accept it. I'm a researcher by nature, reading and testing to find the truth of things. So when someone doesn't accept what I can prove, my natural tendency is to do more research and testing, building up a catalogue of evidence until it becomes undeniable. Or I find evidence I'm wrong, as was the case when I was speculating about Vicki's boyfriend not being a real person.

And all I'm really trying to prove in this case, is that Dylan can't use the same tactics as Ellie (like the showers) in seducing Sophia. That some doors, both literally and figuratively, are closed to him, and that he's going to have to be smarter, bolder and more creative than he currently is if he ever hopes to seduce Sophia.

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Or Ellie too for that matter.
 
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Of course. What choice do I have when I'm arguing with people that neither provide evidence, nor accept it. I'm a researcher by nature, reading and testing to find the truth of things. So when someone doesn't accept what I can prove, my natural tendency is to do more research and testing, building up a catalogue of evidence until it becomes undeniable. Or I find evidence I'm wrong, as was the case when I was speculating about Vicki's boyfriend not being a real person.

And all I'm really trying to prove in this case, is that Dylan can't use the same tactics as Ellie (like the showers) in seducing Sophia. That some doors, both literally and figuratively, are closed to him, and that he's going to have to be smarter, bolder and more creative than he currently is if he ever hopes to seduce Sophia.
Besides the fact that each character has there own theme for trying to bed Sophia and one of the common factors between most of them is emotional blackmail.
Dylan does need to step up his game and maybe if he and Maria or even Amber offer advice or first hand experience with the ladies then maybe he will grow/mature and start doing things for Sophia without wanting something in return.
Ellie is more subtle in her approach towards Sophia and Dylan is the opposite in most of the Dylan's/Sophia encounters.
 
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Of course. What choice do I have when I'm arguing with people that neither provide evidence, nor accept it. I'm a researcher by nature, reading and testing to find the truth of things. So when someone doesn't accept what I can prove, my natural tendency is to do more research and testing, building up a catalogue of evidence until it becomes undeniable. Or I find evidence I'm wrong, as was the case when I was speculating about Vicki's boyfriend not being a real person.

And all I'm really trying to prove in this case, is that Dylan can't use the same tactics as Ellie (like the showers) in seducing Sophia. That some doors, both literally and figuratively, are closed to him, and that he's going to have to be smarter, bolder and more creative than he currently is if he ever hopes to seduce Sophia.

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Or Ellie too for that matter.
Well, to be frank, i do not find myself reading theories so, whatever it is your were talking about previously, sure why not. What caught my eyes was when a user quoted your saying that cheating isn't exactly cheating, because adultery in biology is something else, i often just read through, but when i read that, i couldn't help myself but ask myself what.

As for Ellie or Dylan subject, i perform half Z readings on most game topics, since my interests are more towards teasers, updates and general news.
 

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Besides the fact that each character has there own theme for trying to bed Sophia and one of the common factors between most of them is emotional blackmail.
Dylan does need to step up his game and maybe if he and Maria or even Amber offer advice or first hand experience with the ladies then maybe he will grow/mature and start doing things for Sophia without wanting something in return,like he did with the bikini fashion show, a win win for both.
Ellie is more subtle in her approach towards Sophia and Dylan is the opposite .
I agree with you, mate. Both of them have their own ways of trying to bed Sophia, While Dylan is more direct and without help, Ellie is more subtle, manipulative, blackmailing, and with assistance. That's what I've kept telling that the approach is completely different and can't be compared to the progress because the ways and characters are different from each other in regards to Sophia. It would be stupid to think one is ahead of the other when both of them have their own ways of reaching their objective with Sophia.

I also agree he needs to step up his game and thankfully with the most amounts of events in the game that could happen naturally without assistance and by his own merits. Well, he is changing along the way with the events so maybe it can get to that point in their relationship. I agree about the bikini fashion show, that was really good, the solo event, of course, it was far more intimate than the non-solo event.

We'll see about that in the update after this one and hopefully after day 12.

I think that some experience could be gained from Marie that could help him with Sophia, but I doubt it could from Amber because, in order to have something with Amber the path is from the boarding school choice, and according to L&P, that's a Sophia & Dylan dead-end, so it's going to be more about Dylan & Amber. :unsure:
 

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I agree with you, mate. Both of them have their own ways of trying to bed Sophia, While Dylan is more direct and without help, Ellie is more subtle, manipulative, blackmailing, and with assistance. That's what I've kept telling that the approach is completely different and can't be compared to the progress because the ways and characters are different from each other in regards to Sophia. It would be stupid to think one is ahead of the other when both of them have their own ways of reaching their objective with Sophia.

I also agree he needs to step up his game and thankfully with the most amounts of events in the game that could happen naturally without assistance and by his own merits. Well, he is changing along the way with the events so maybe it can get to that point in their relationship. I agree about the bikini fashion show, that was really good, the solo event, of course, it was far more intimate than the non-solo event.

We'll see about that in the update after this one and hopefully after day 12.

I think that some experience could be gained from Marie that could help him with Sophia, but I doubt it could from Amber because, in order to have something with Amber the path is from the boarding school choice, and according to L&P, that's a Sophia & Dylan dead-end, so it's going to be more about Dylan & Amber. :unsure:
The bikini fashion show is a perfect example of a great approach by Dylan, shaky at the start but Dylan changed his mind form lingerie to bikini and got the deal.
Dylan got what he wanted without moaning/begging or being a whimp and during the fashion show Dylan made Sophia feel special/wanted/desired and piled her with compliments.
Sophia felt great about herself and Dylan got to see her in various bikinis a win win for both of them.
Dylan needs to do more events like this one.
 

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The bikini fashion show is a perfect example of a great approach by Dylan, shaky at the start but Dylan changed his mind form lingerie to bikini and got the deal.
Dylan got what he wanted without moaning/begging or being a whimp and during the fashion show Dylan made Sophia feel special/wanted/desired and piled her with compliments.
Sophia felt great about herself and Dylan got to see her in various bikinis a win win for both of them.
Dylan needs to do more events like this one.
Maybe he could have Sophia do another fashion show for him but in formal evening wear instead, then once she picks her favorite outfit he surprises her by taking her out to dinner at a fancy restaurant to show her off to other people. During the evening she notices and hears other people looking at her and complimenting her on how beautiful she looks further bolstering her confidence in how special she feels. It would also show Sophia how much he has matured....or Dylan could just be a crass little shit and ask to watch her use Antonio :unsure:
 

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Are there other attachments already in this game for Antonio. If so, how do create the seen other than the small pink attachment
There are many, including two for double penetration, not that I think Sophia is anywhere near comfortable for that kind of thing. The asset itself is , but in order to recreate the scene is more a question for the Fan Art thread
 

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s "Well... I see the lawn needs to be mowed a bit!"
l "Well, that's why we have Dylan."
dy "Good joke, Dad. Really funny!"
l "Who said I was jokin'?"
dy "I'm certainly not going to do that! We have enough money! Just hire some poor college guy for that!"
Coming back to Dylan again. ;) Ok, this behaviour is of course very cheeky and needs a rebuke from his parents! But I know this behaviour only too well! It is pubertal! Dylan wants to define his limits. How far can he go without being grounded, having his WLAN turned off, etc.?
Do you have children?
But that was only the beginning of the story with Dylan. Now it's all about how Dylan can develop an incestuous relationship with Sophia. And so far he has been doing everything right. It will take time. L&P has already explained that several times. It will take longer than with Ellie. Unfortunately. :cautious:
 

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There are many, including two for double penetration, not that I think Sophia is anywhere near comfortable for that kind of thing. The asset itself is , but in order to recreate the scene is more a question for the Fan Art thread
OMG, Alyssa does like full well-equipped man. Now I understand it, nobody can compete with Antonio (y)
 
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Coming back to Dylan again. ;) Ok, this behaviour is of course very cheeky and needs a rebuke from his parents! But I know this behaviour only too well! It is pubertal! Dylan wants to define his limits. How far can he go without being grounded, having his WLAN turned off, etc.?
Do you have children?
But that was only the beginning of the story with Dylan. Now it's all about how Dylan can develop an incestuous relationship with Sophia. And so far he has been doing everything right. It will take time. L&P has already explained that several times. It will take longer than with Ellie. Unfortunately. :cautious:
Of course if you choose a perfect run, with any of the characters, Sophia will act as favourably as is consistent with her character. What I find more interesting and more telling is what happens when you don't choose a perfect run.

With 0 Sam points, he becomes the occasionally helpful neighbour. With 0 Ellie points, she becomes the head dancer of her class, possibly going out with the MVP of the basketball team and becoming head cheerleader, and is pretty much straight A student, ready to finish high school in a couple of months.

But the thing that's entirely unique for the Dylan route is that his behaviour varies so wildly depending on Sophia's Dylan points. With Dylan at 0 points, he's a shy, creepy, lazy little shit. That wont even keep his room tidy. With no other character is it possible to go from that, to with maximum points this apparently angelic character that will eventually sleep with his mother.

And if I understand the code of the Breakfast in bed event correctly, since it's only dependant as far as I can tell on doing the bikini fashion show, it may in fact be possible if Dylan is caught peeking, for Dylan points to go negative (incredibly dumb, I have no idea why you would do it, but the option appears to be there). Which is available for no other character. Just something I find curious
 
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That wont even keep his room tidy. With no other character is it possible to go from that, to with maximum points this apparently angelic character that will eventually sleep with his mother.
I don't think peeking will have a major lasting impact on the relationship with Sophia. Even if you choose to do it. You can only see the bad reaction of Sophia and a quick end of the event.
But that's all.
All characters start from 0. Sophia too! And why shouldn't Dylan develop into a lovable son? He, or rather we, have the goal of fucking his mother.
And he does/we do everything to achieve this. From what I know, there will be several possibilities. One of them is a romantic one, which i have prioritised. :love:
 

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I don't think peeking will have a major lasting impact on the relationship with Sophia. Even if you choose to do it. You can only see the bad reaction of Sophia and a quick end of the event.
But that's all.
All characters start from 0. Sophia too! And why shouldn't Dylan develop into a lovable son? He, or rather we, have the goal of fucking his mother.
And he does/we do everything to achieve this. From what I know, there will be several possibilities. One of them is a romantic one, which i have prioritised. :love:
Whether I think Dylan should or shouldn't develop into a lovable son that will fuck his mother is irrelevant. Unless L&P really is milking his patrons, stringing them along in a vain hope that characters on the Filthy route will have sex with Sophia, at some point Dylan will get his chance. I just don't see it happening any time soon with the evidence I've seen.

And believe it or not, I actually do want Dylan to become a lovable, successful son. Just one that doesn't fuck his mother, or sister, and that you don't need to invest points in. Or at least not have to invest points for childish crap like pushing him on a swing. One of the reasons I'm so harsh on Bennett is so that Dylan can go to college, but done the proper way without the blackmail. Same for Aiden's tasks. I'm waiting for Dylan to grow up, engage with people, so that eventually he'll become a successful adult. But the Dylan route from what I've seen, requires the player to actively have an M/S kink to want to invest the points from the very introduction, in order to get any sort of character success.
 
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