VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

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GingerSweetGirl

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Bane71 said:
I'll tell you this, it's far from the fact that co-authorship will lead to faster updates!
L & P says that he has a story, and therefore a more or less holistic concept of the game itself.
Look at how many disputes there are, everyone has their own opinion and it is not worth counting on the fact that with a new person in the L&P team there will be full understanding and trust! This means that including a collaborator is more likely to delay rather than speed up the process.
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Fair point. Editor it is.
 
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Keppepradie said:
If you simplify the meaning of NTR it's "Cuckolding", which is definitely the case here. The only difference to other NTR-media is that you (partially) control the decisions of the one doing the cucking. In Anime/manga you can only watch the story unfold.

Just because you control the character doesn't make it any less NTR. The majority of games with cheating-elements in them is basically a game with NTR in it, the only reason people don't see it that way is that in most of these, the cuckolding doesn't happen to the character you control.

NTR or Netorare, (寝取られ, 寝(ne) as in 寝取られ means "sleep", in this case, "the lover's sleeping with someone (cheating)". 取られ(torare) is a noun coming from 取られる(torareru), "have something stolen/robbed".

That's why I find it ironic that some developers state the game won't have NTR but at the same time has the Cheating tag... but I guess the NTR-tag is only used when it happens to MC.
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NTR means LI interest is being stolen away from you. We are not Liam so Sophie getting with other men isn't NTR. Now if Liam was one stepping out it would be NTR. If our character does it, it is cheating. If our LI does it, it is NTR.
 
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mt2007 said:
As far as I know you can't have both side jobs. The second one is there in case you choose not to take the first, and while they may not impact the story line they do delve deeper into Sophia's character.
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Wasn't saying you could have both, was saying you can refuse both (as I recall).

To be clear: I like both, I have different saves for both. The point is that they are non-essential to the main story and represent a large time-sink for L&P, having to develop scenes for both when neither are essential.

If the main complaint is the time between updates, and it is far and away the #1 complaint about this game, then we as the fapzone members should be looking for ways to streamline the development time without compromising the main story. L&P is under no obligation to take us up on our opinions, of course, but maybe by putting constructive ideas and on-point criticism out there we can subtly influence the decisions.
 
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Talcum Powder said:
when neither are essential.
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Who determined this?

For me personally, both part-time jobs are essential, especially the second, as well as for L&P.
Therefore, there is no need to give such definitions, no one gave you such powers!
The rules are determined by the person who creates the game. Those who help him financially can have some influence on him.

Determines L&P, and our estimates are of little importance.
 
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I did not let Liam stay at the Casino (still faithfull to him/has a roof above our heads), but still would like to fool around with my daughter and sister. I hope the dev puts in the possibility to "seduce/corrupt" them, after saving Liam/the family savings. Maybe another chance to shower with daughter, but this way, the daughter would be too curious of her father's "perks", and vice versa. Letting my sister closer to me without the need to fuck my marriage up would be also much appreciated. Maybe an open marriage?
 
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Ains said:
I did not let Liam stay at the Casino (still faithfull to him/has a roof above our heads), but still would like to fool around with my daughter and sister. I hope the dev puts in the possibility to "seduce/corrupt" them, after saving Liam/the family savings. Maybe another chance to shower with daughter, but this way, the daughter would be too curious of her father's "perks", and vice versa. Letting my sister closer to me without the need to fuck my marriage up would be also much appreciated. Maybe an open marriage?
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Liam and Ellie together?? farrah isn't going to like that idea. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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Talcum Powder

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Bane71 said:
Who determined this?

For me personally, both part-time jobs are essential, especially the second, as well as for L&P.
Therefore, there is no need to give such definitions, no one gave you such powers!
The rules are determined by the person who creates the game. Those who help him financially can have some influence on him.

Determines L&P, and our estimates are of little importance.
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Don't shoot the messenger: logic and rhetoric are the basis of these definitions, not me. If the option to select #1, #2 or neither job exists then they can't be essential. I'm merely pointing out that the side jobs, in and of themselves, can't be essential components of any primary path since they exist independently of the primary paths. If that isn't the case, and the plan is to have a primary path branch based on your side job choice or non-choice, then the need for additional scenes for every path grows. This further exacerbates the frustration many have expressed with the development timeline.

I'm not arguing the side jobs don't add textural detail to the character(s) and will contribute to a richer experience overall.
 
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Talcum Powder said:
Wasn't saying you could have both, was saying you can refuse both (as I recall).

To be clear: I like both, I have different saves for both. The point is that they are non-essential to the main story and represent a large time-sink for L&P, having to develop scenes for both when neither are essential.

If the main complaint is the time between updates, and it is far and away the #1 complaint about this game, then we as the fapzone members should be looking for ways to streamline the development time without compromising the main story. L&P is under no obligation to take us up on our opinions, of course, but maybe by putting constructive ideas and on-point criticism out there we can subtly influence the decisions.
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Yes and he should remove Dylan/Amber, Dylan/Ellie, Dylan/Emma, Dylan cuckold , which are all side story and not part of the “main story” (which is ?) . And not start the possibility to hook up Sam with Ellie if that end their relationship with Sophia for one of them.
And not add more fetish like cuckolding on the Dylan route as Old dog as reminded me .
And not start the branching on Ellie route....
And stop doing multiple views of the same event. ( The bikini show, the yoga session) ...
There are many way to save time.
 
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Leldorin said:
Yes and he should remove Dylan/Amber, Dylan/Ellie, Dylan/Emma, Dylan cuckold , which are all side story and not part of the “main story” (which is ?) . And not start the possibility to hook up Sam with Ellie if that end their relationship with Sophia for one of them.
And not add more fetish like cuckolding on the Dylan route as Old dog as reminded me .
And not start the branching on Ellie route....
And stop doing multiple views of the same event. ( The bikini show, the yoga session) ...
There are many way to save time.
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Sarcasm noted. And you make a valid point, "main story" would be better named "primary paths" or "primary love interests" or something like that. The point is, the side jobs are independent of pursuing any of the primary love interests (which we know is true because taking one or the other or neither doesn't open new or close off any primary love interest), so non-essential.
 
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Talcum Powder said:
Sarcasm noted. And you make a valid point, "main story" would be better named "primary paths" or "primary love interests" or something like that. The point is, the side jobs are independent of pursuing any of the primary love interests (which we know is true because taking one or the other or neither doesn't open new or close off any primary love interest), so non-essential.
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Thanks you for the reply.
As for me, I’m not a patreon. The only thing I want is a well written story. And mostly keep the game as it was first intended .
Something like the first time job or the last Vicky event are just lazy.
Almost no dialogue on the first and skipping the part where the characters have the most interesting dialogue in the second.
And let’s not talk about the number of renders.
I didn’t count, but the first time job is mostly composed of 20 renders. And that’s including the 2 or 3 events with them.
The thing is, not everyone is enjoying the main cast. Some because they don’t like incest.
I do but for some reason, I can’t enjoy it in this game. Not because it’s dumb ( I’ve played much stupid incest game and enjoyed them)
And not because it’s realistic ( I’ve read some “realistic ” incest story and enjoyed them much more than this one) .
Maybe it’s a mix of both. It’s supposed to be “realistic ” but it’s mostly on the unbelievable side . ( That’s just my opinion here). And it’s really slow (I’m not talking about the time between updates)
So yeah, I don’t enjoy how the Dylan/Sophia or the Ellie/Sophia relationship.
I’m mostly okay with Patricia.
And I don’t really care about Sam ( I just hope his storyline will stays the same : you choose to pursue his relationship with Sophia, or you don’t. No branching for him, no “harem ” )
So that left me with the side characters.
But when it’s as poorly executed as the last Vicky event ( 2 years in real time after her last one) , what’s left for those like me who don’t enjoy the main cast that much ?

I’m not a patreon so my opinion doesn’t really matter but if I recall correctly , in the last poll , the “ 5 main cast ” represent something like just above half of the votes.
That mean that for a large portion of patreon, their favorite characters is not part of the main cast.
I’m not sure that removing some of them is the best approach if he wants to keep them happy.
 
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