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lol, get your face right dev.- Thread starter CobraSGT
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- Sep 17, 2017
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100% agree, there's no way that the prison meeting is the end of that storyline.
The next Morello scene will presumably setup Sophia's requirement to go back to the jail or do something else for the Morello family.
I'm hoping the storyline will incorporate the whole Cumare (Mob Mistress) thing, Larry says if she shows him her breasts he'll tell his brother that she's his Cumare, and entitled to certain privileges - then she shows him, unwittingly agreeing to his offer.
Hopefully the next Don Morello scene will include a line like: 'Well you visited Larry and from what I heard you made his day, for that I will agree to a repayment plan you and your husband can afford - but then Larry tells me you agreed to be his Cumare...? So now you're obliged to go back and see him whenever he asks. And he's already asking.'
Also, for the people arguing about Luck vs Skill in a poker game... do keep in mind that the poker game where Liam lost the house didn't actually happen.
L&P wasn't crunching numbers and studying card-counting to figure out if Liam would be able to win, Liam lost because the game's narrative said he had to lose.
The line from the intro about "... He's also a good poker player, but he has a little weakness for gambling" was written to instill the player with a sense of 'Oh, this guy is pretty good at poker' - so that later when we find out he lost the house in a poker game, we are left with a sense of 'How did this pretty good poker player lose so badly, unless there's something fishy going on.'
Also (since L&P skims this thread sometimes), hope your surgery goes well dude, don't rush that post-surgery recovery and take care of yourself.
It is seriously proposed that this IS how long it will take. L&P has even defended this timescale & to be fair, it doesn't bother me that much. (Like most people I have more than enough to worry about right now, without bothering about how daft a 10-year long game sounds). If you think of it like a soap opera, it may not seem so bad. I know of one soap that has run for 61 years........aargh!
As soon as this sequence was shown I said that Sophia's mini winning streak had been engineered by the Don, so that he could meet her, comment on her beautiful eyes etc. There wasn't complete agreement but now I think most fans accept that everything that occurred was no accident. Just how deeply Liam is implicated is one the major points of speculation & leads to a sense of anticipation for future revelations. I think that it's quite possible that he was gambling while supposedly 'working late.' I'm not so sure of whether he offered Sophia as a kind of collateral but after all, people don't always act in predictable ways.
I want just clarify that word " Cumare " in south of Italy have 2 different meaning, this depends on the context in which it is used : The first is a woman who is not related but gravitates around the family to the point of being considered as part of the family. The second a woman that is involved in a sexual affair with one married man.
It seems Morello didn't know that Liam is her husband.
But this one, Morello watched her for a while. The Parkers split shortly before, when Sophia goes to roulette table.
This "a while" is open for comment.
But this one, Morello watched her for a while. The Parkers split shortly before, when Sophia goes to roulette table.
This "a while" is open for comment.
Could all be part of the deception, for Sophia's benefit. When he says he's been watching her from the bar, it may be true but I'm betting he's also been watching from his central control & CCTV room!
I don't see any bar around in the scene, and if Morello was watching her on camera he had to see her with Liam.
- May 10, 2017
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good luck with you surgery L&P.
Our Sunday teaser depends on this.
What I mean is that he knows who Liam is, even if he's just watched the couple arrive, from any vantage point he chose but pretends he's just another ordinary patron, who doesn't know who's with who & so it seems like a natural conversation.
- Sep 17, 2017
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nexer & ancienregimele,
I still don't think Don Morello knew anything about the Parkers prior to first meeting Sophia.
I replayed the scene to check Nexer's suggestion (it's been a slow day) and after Sophia & Liam agree to split up: she goes over to the roulette table, asks to join them, plays 'a couple of rounds', chit-chats with the guys at the table some more then Don Morello comes over to introduce himself. He for sure is being tight-lipped about who he is, but I feel like that's just serving the surprise later when Sophia walks into his office and realizes their creditor is the man she flirted with at the roulette table.
About the timing - now I've never played roulette, but I've been studying the game intensely for the last two minutes on google and have since learned that a standard round of roulette lasts between 3-6 minutes - so it is feasible that the Don only saw Sophia after she separated from Liam and sat down, and was still being truthful when he said 'a while' (10-ish minutes).
Dunno though.
Also yes, there is no bar in any of the shots used, maybe it's out of frame somewhere.
Can also confirm that Don Morello doesn't pop up in any frames prior to his introduction, so he could have been lying about the Bar part and was watching from the cameras.
One thing I will say, comparing the two Casino visits really does demonstrate L&P's progress:
In the first casino visit it's all wide, bright but flatly lit shots that feel so empty (because I imagine there's only so many NPCs he can put in a scene before over-taxing his equipment), it's kind of understandable since it's a new space and he wanted to show it off in establishing shots.
(kind of surprised he hasn't tried to do an establishing shot of the exterior of the casino)
On the return visit though, the lighting is still pretty bright but more diffuse and is pulling light effects from other sources in the room, plus we have closer shots that frame out the larger space and allow him to crowd NPCs into just the spaces that are in shot.
I still don't think Don Morello knew anything about the Parkers prior to first meeting Sophia.
I replayed the scene to check Nexer's suggestion (it's been a slow day) and after Sophia & Liam agree to split up: she goes over to the roulette table, asks to join them, plays 'a couple of rounds', chit-chats with the guys at the table some more then Don Morello comes over to introduce himself. He for sure is being tight-lipped about who he is, but I feel like that's just serving the surprise later when Sophia walks into his office and realizes their creditor is the man she flirted with at the roulette table.
About the timing - now I've never played roulette, but I've been studying the game intensely for the last two minutes on google and have since learned that a standard round of roulette lasts between 3-6 minutes - so it is feasible that the Don only saw Sophia after she separated from Liam and sat down, and was still being truthful when he said 'a while' (10-ish minutes).
Dunno though.
Also yes, there is no bar in any of the shots used, maybe it's out of frame somewhere.
Can also confirm that Don Morello doesn't pop up in any frames prior to his introduction, so he could have been lying about the Bar part and was watching from the cameras.
One thing I will say, comparing the two Casino visits really does demonstrate L&P's progress:
In the first casino visit it's all wide, bright but flatly lit shots that feel so empty (because I imagine there's only so many NPCs he can put in a scene before over-taxing his equipment), it's kind of understandable since it's a new space and he wanted to show it off in establishing shots.
(kind of surprised he hasn't tried to do an establishing shot of the exterior of the casino)
On the return visit though, the lighting is still pretty bright but more diffuse and is pulling light effects from other sources in the room, plus we have closer shots that frame out the larger space and allow him to crowd NPCs into just the spaces that are in shot.
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From the past few pages I am seeing that people are really looking into the dialogues and trying to find meaning in them. Being attentive is good but looking too much into it and speculating is not. It's just like a literature teacher who tries to decipher the meaning of every line in a poem whereas the poet never intended to mean anything from it.
With the experience I have, you will never be able to improve something without understanding it down to the smallest detail. Or you can, but it's like winning the lottery.
In my case, it's not about understanding but about predicting. The only way to predict is to understand.
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- Feb 14, 2018
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I tend to get deleted for going off topic, but here goes anyway...
Actually, what you're saying is all part of the game, but you're wrongly attributing the skill and experience aspects to luck. Being able to trick/deceive your opponents IS the skill. The ability to beat players regardless of what they are holding is the skill element. training yourself to have the same reaction regardless of what cards you get, training yourself to detect the subtlest change in an opponent's expression, and then the memory and math skills to remember betting hands, positional plays, results of previous hands, opponents reactions to your betting patterns, and of course, knowing the odds of making whatever hand you're trying to hit (pulling an inside straight instead of an up and down, needing a fifth spade, drawing from two pair to a full house), and then putting your odds of success (luck) against what you know about your opponents (and what you think they know about you).
No need to apologize for that.
- Feb 14, 2018
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??? Um, I think the writing in AWAM is littered with enough subtle word choices and seemingly random information drops to warrant analysis and speculation.
And, which poet(s) are you referring to, that wrote throwaway lines that weren't intended to contribute to the idea/feeling/intent of the poem? I would be curious to know, read some examples of this.
.....Yes, I used to hate those lessons where you had to analyse some poem, or chapter of a novel. If there was any pleasure to be found in any of it to start with, such an approach used to suck it out like an industrial vacuum cleaner. (I felt the same way about work that began with the lines, "Compare & Contrast....."). AWAM though is different.
Imagine a medieval banquet with dozens of courses. People would be arranged according to precedence & social class. At the top table for the AWAM banquet are the high paying patrons, while further down in gradually decreasing levels are the different tiers of subscribers. Each level has a chance to partake of the courses, to a greater or lesser extent.
Next, picture the dogs under the tables, waiting for scraps & that's your non-paying pirates, like me. We get the odd bone & when we do, we analyse & speculate the life out of it, because it's what we do....but only for those parts of the story that interest us & that's the key difference between the inter-update talking shop & the boring English Literature lesson.
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Yeah I really don't think there's been some prior arrangement between Liam and the Don, I think Liam is supposed to be quite a jealous guy so I really don't see him almost pimping his wife out to anyone (even if it is to cover a gambling debt). I think the Don noticed Sophia and thought she was gorgeous (and rightly so), he found out who her husband was and pretty much used Liams addiction to his advantage and get what he wants (and I don't blame him for one second, Sophia is way too hot and good for Liam)