VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Catherine1972]

On the contrary, I think that it is very childish to have perverse ideas. It's when you grow up that you realize that you can't do it all or have it all.

Sophia regresses, becomes young adult then a teenager again, she will become perverse as she was before ( but she couldn't express it )

I think it is this behavior that amplifies the perverse attitude of youngs towards her. Now she will be able to express it, and it doesn't matter if it is filial love and love, she will do filfthy things ( at least on a path).

There are also the money issues. One of the best ways to get someone into debauchery.

And maybe Sophia just had such a monotonous life that she wants to do something else, that turns her on. All pretexts will be good, the sexual education of her son/daughter, the repayment of the debts, ... maybe one day she will try to get Liam promoted or avoid dismissal by sleeping with his boss. who knows ?

Totally agree.
Thank you for completing my thought well.
Perverse ideas are characteristic of adult adolescents (adulescents)

 

[xxxorro]

On the contrary, I think that it is very childish to have perverse ideas. It's when you grow up that you realize that you can't do it all or have it all.

Sophia regresses, becomes young adult then a teenager again, she will become perverse as she was before ( but she couldn't express it )

I think it is this behavior that amplifies the perverse attitude of youngs towards her. Now she will be able to express it, and it doesn't matter if it is filial love and love, she will do filfthy things ( at least on a path).

There are also the money issues. One of the best ways to get someone into debauchery.

And maybe Sophia just had such a monotonous life that she wants to do something else, that turns her on. All pretexts will be good, the sexual education of her son/daughter, the repayment of the debts, ... maybe one day she will try to get Liam promoted or avoid dismissal by sleeping with his boss. who knows ?

I think we should start from the root cause of all of this, Liam's lack of attention for Sophia, sexually but not only that.
That is what generates this sense of insatisfaction in Sophia, which leads to this "teenager regression" that she is experiencing (which, btw it is a well known real issue in married people in real life, aka the middle life crisis, at around 40-50 yo)
The regression makes Sophia more curious and open to the attention of other people of both genders, especially teenagers, as it also brings her back to her teenager years, where we know she was far from being the shy or prudish woman she is now (personal opinion: only on the facade, that is just the image of herself that she wants to convey, the "role model" mother and wife).

This is, at least for me, the fil rouge of the whole story, everything that happens stems from this. If we consider the arcs with the teenager characters (Dylan, Sam Ellie etc), I don't think that love, as in falling in love, will be the center of any of these arcs. (Catherine1972 I don't know if you meant something like this)

Does Sophia love Dylan? Yes, as a mother loves his son and she will do anything for him. Will she fall in love with him and have sex with him? I really don't think so. She will (very) probably have sex with him, but it won't be because she has fallen for him. It will be a mixture of passion, lust, the thrill for the taboo, and sure the mother-son love. I don't know how we will get there, the context will make the whole different and I think L&P knows how to get us there. As we are now in the story and their relationship, for me it's really hard to imagine a way they are going to have sex. But there are too many things that are still bound to happen and maybe the Dylan/Sophia event will be the first step to set up the next stage of their relationship. For sure it won't be Sophia to take the initiative. With any of the young characters. She will let herself to be dragged into it, in every story in a different way and with different motivations.

For example, I think with Sam it will be more the passion that will move her to break the barrier. As pointed out, there is a connection on many levels with him. He already declared his love for her, she knows he desires her. I think it's only natural that as soon Sam will make some moves Sophia will go with them (again, incrementally etc etc) but I don't think she will fall in love with with, she will be attracted, excited of having an affair with someone who cherish her, that's what will make her give in (Btw, I'm not in any team, but I do think like Atton563 that Sam is or could be the double face one, he plays the sweet guy but he is the same as Dylan if not worse, remember their first talk about Sophia...)

 

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[Sabertooth__]

I think Patrica could go one of two ways she's either bored and wants to tease her whole family for shit's and giggles or she really is intrested in some kind of sexual encounter with Sofia/Ellie/Dylan or the very least pushing boundries with them all. The second is most likely since we already know she's been very sexual active in her life and has almost certainly thought about more extreme/taboo things to keep her sex life intresting.



I feel Cuckold with Dylan while likely would be a bad choice I mean it's stated at the start of the game the Sofia loves her kids above all else and would do anything for them and her cucking her son in favour of his best friends (useing the term loosely here) is not something I could see her doing to him, Although she already showed Sam most of her nipples without any encouragement (not in my main play save cause Sam's a snake) and thats kinda fucked up considering Dylan had to beg like a dog and promise to do the dishes for a year aswell as find a job to see her breasts but Sofia has said Sam is like a son to her aswell.



I see Sam as the more calculating and mature version of Dylan (to an extent) and have no doubt he was up in that tree house to perv on Sofia and not doing his homework at all, He also takes every chance he can to break down her walls and get closer to her like saying how he can't stop thinking about when he saw her in her lingerie and bra, he also gave her a alcholic drink when she asked for water to try and loosen her up (little Neil in the making?), I've also heard he describes a sex dream to her? I'm not sure about that as I've tryed to avoid Sam content since I don't like him and nothing brought a smile to my face like how Sofia said no when Sam tried to invite him self around when he was in the tree house. I think if Dylan had maybe moaned "Mom" or said something along the lines of "God you're so hot" when he came while she was letting him masturbate after the Ellie prank it could of made her a little wet or at least made her think about Dylan by mistake while she tries to masturbate in the shower and helped him be a little further ahead of Sam in the seduction/corruption of Sofia (yes I'm a Dylan fan sue me).

As you mentioned the instances of Sam's debauchery, it only acts as proof to what I was saying. As of this moment other than Liam I would only be okay with Dylan having sex with Sophia. For me an honest pervert is way better than a calculating one

 

[xxxorro]

You make me read a lot of things

Liam's lack of attention isn't the only reason.
It is above all that she has only known him since college.

Even if she was spinning the perfect love, her curiosity would not have been satisfied because she did not have the good or bad experiences that we all need to have to pass to adulthood. Of course, she's a wife, she's a mother, but in her mind it's still young Sophia.

If she's been in need of attention for 15-20 years and hasn't had a serious conversation with Liam about it. It is because she does not have the mental age to do it. Otherwise a adult woman would have had this conversation with him, and if he hadn't changed his behavior, she would have cheated on him a long time ago.

She doesn't know how to deal with her emotions (she is embarrassed and horny at the same time), set limits, have an adult behaviour. ( And that's why we love her )

Sorry, sometimes I just get carried away, not to mention that as a non native speaker it's sometimes hard to make a point in fewer words.

Anyway, you are absolutely right, and I think we even already discussed about this.
The real root cause is what you said, the fact that she got pregnant and they got married at such young age prevented them (or at least Sophia) to naturally mature and grow up through different experience.
She had to grow up faster and focus on be a mother and a wife, missing out on many other experiences other people normally go through at that age and contribute to shape the personality and their behaviour.

The lack of attention is just the trigger that exposes this side of her.

 

[Atton563]

As you mentioned the instances of Sam's debauchery, it only acts as proof to what I was saying. As of this moment other than Liam I would only be okay with Dylan having sex with Sophia. For me an honest pervert is way better than a calculating one

Exactly this we know Dylan has a thing for his mom and we know he wants to have sex with her but he also loves her very much and doesn't want to take complete advantage of her. Plus he is always or at least always given the option to defend her around other guys and interuput Sam's moments with Sophia like in the pool and on the trampoline, maybe he see's what Sam is trying to do because he's doing it or at least trying to do it him self but he has a more respect for her as a person? (or maybe I'm just trying to see the version of Dylan I want to see and he's actually just a creepy asshole himeself)

 

[You Don't See Me]

You make me read a lot of things

Liam's lack of attention isn't the only reason.
It is above all that she has only known him since college.

Even if she was spinning the perfect love, her curiosity would not have been satisfied because she did not have the good or bad experiences that we all need to have to pass to adulthood. Of course, she's a wife, she's a mother, but in her mind it's still young Sophia.

If she's been in need of attention for 15-20 years and hasn't had a serious conversation with Liam about it. It is because she does not have the mental age to do it. Otherwise a adult woman would have had this conversation with him, and if he hadn't changed his behavior, she would have cheated on him a long time ago.

She doesn't know how to deal with her emotions (she is embarrassed and horny at the same time), set limits, have an adult behaviour. ( And that's why we love her )

How can you not be in love with Sophia? We want her to succeed. See Sophia. See Sophia grow!

 

[Atton563]

I have a question about how the Dylan/Amber story is supposed to work I've yet to see any interaction between them other than the day they met but I heard that there is a pool scene if you send him to boring school? So if Dylan has to be at boring school five days out of the week how is he going to seduce her since he can barley speak to a girl his own age or how is she going to become attracted to him if he is never around? Also isn't Amber in a sexually active and satasfiying marriage with Neil as seen on the filthy route? The only thing I could think of starting it is if Dylan and Amber both discover Sophia and Sam having sex and decide to do the same for the sake of Sophia and Amber's aswell as Dylan and Sam's frendships.

 

[Bane71]

I have a question about how the Dylan/Amber story is supposed to work I've yet to see any interaction between them other than the day they met but I heard that there is a pool scene if you send him to boring school? So if Dylan has to be at boring school five days out of the week how is he going to seduce her since he can barley speak to a girl his own age or how is she going to become attracted to him if he is never around? Also isn't Amber in a sexually active and satasfiying marriage with Neil as seen on the filthy route? The only thing I could think of starting it is if Dylan and Amber both discover Sophia and Sam having sex and decide to do the same for the sake of Sophia and Amber's aswell as Dylan and Sam's frendships.

To get answers, you need to go this route and you will probably like what is happening!

 

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[Lord_Xanatos]

Progress Report. Ver. 0.130.

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[nexer]

Progress Report. 80% - 75%
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Finally. I thought Aiden kidnapped Sophia to "molest" her or something...

 

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[Old Dog]

Finally. I thought Aiden kidnapped Sophia to "molest" her or something...

You wish

 

[Old Dog]

Yay.Come to me my precious

 

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[Old Dog]

Thanks man !
Often, above CS 80% there is a small boost effect.

Emma/pygmy.......Sophia/pygmy left to do

 

[ttipsigam]

I'm not sure if the developer checks this thread, but there's a spelling mistake during the early bathrobe scene (when the workers are ascending the stairs and you have the option to yell or be relaxed)

Says "Thank God I at least had mt panties on!"

Just a simple typo, very easy to miss

 

[Atton563]

To get answers, you need to go this route and you will probably like what is happening!

I've been meaning to do just that but anything involing Sam near Sophia kind of annoys me and I think he is at the pool with them right?